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[Shahenshah]

Edited: I added a para, due to habit, I clicked on edit instead of posting separately..

I'm going to have to agree with Rhiz. Also let's not say everything that was done on D1 was lulz, Samus clearly indicated he wasn't lulling around when he mentioned Imran. But Imran has disqualified that by outright lying and saying it was just lulz.

wow..really? You think Samus knew on D1 that I was scum? Even before any night actions?lol..okAnd yeah ABT and me will be supporting each other so publicly and so early in the game if we were both scum. I mean I may get that you think I am suspicious but thats just an insult to my intelligence.And if theres a cop, this is to you. By all means feel free to use your investigation action on me tonight. But when you find I am town, make sure you use your next night action on Shah.

Cops are more than welcome to investigate me if Imran and AbT turn out to be townies.

[Imran Ehsan]

So let me get this straight.

 

Lets say I find your posts to be extremely suspicious and scummy. Although this is purely based on just some random posts and not on any lynch wagons or night investigations. I get killed at night (or get lynched as your are trying to do).

 

So tomorrow we know that you are scum and we should lynch you right?

 

Just want to clarify your points.

[Lyner]

Edited: I added a para, due to habit, I clicked on edit instead of posting separately..

 

I'm going to have to agree with Rhiz. Also let's not say everything that was done on D1 was lulz, Samus clearly indicated he wasn't lulling around when he mentioned Imran. But Imran has disqualified that by outright lying and saying it was just lulz.

wow..really? You think Samus knew on D1 that I was scum? Even before any night actions?lol..okAnd yeah ABT and me will be supporting each other so publicly and so early in the game if we were both scum. I mean I may get that you think I am suspicious but thats just an insult to my intelligence.And if theres a cop, this is to you. By all means feel free to use your investigation action on me tonight. But when you find I am town, make sure you use your next night action on Shah.

Cops are more than welcome to investigate me if Imran and AbT turn out to be townies.

 

 

I'm on the side of letting cop target whoever he wants

 

 

 

 

Also all these arguments seems like towns arguing with each other

 

Imran is far more talkative in this game, though

[Ali bin Turban]

Frankly, it was so noob that it Avater could as well be a townie. We had noob errors last game too and those errors were exploited by scum to convince the town that town noobs were in fact scum. It worked to an amazing effect. I believe that is why were seeing more caution on jumping on either of the bandwagons.

What I find interesting is how AbT has been softly deflecting criticism of Imran for the past few pages.

You both are criticising Avatar for thinking he had vibes from Imran, Lol, even AbT mention having vibes from Imran. So you're criticising the quality of his case on same material that has been used to deflect attention in the past. Very interesting. Then both of them follow to vote Avater and they both have been criticising the 2 vote bandwagon on Imran. It's quite hypocritical.

Also since day 1, AbT has been sharing with us schemes to have all townies outed. You know the cops need to investigate the two of these at minimum.

And the deflection is the classic scummy one, you start with yea I agree with what most of you said and I disagree with parts of what the other guy said but this and but that, all those passive qualifiers.

I'm going to have to agree with Rhiz. Also let's not say everything that was done on D1 was lulz, Samus clearly indicated he wasn't lulling around when he mentioned Imran. But Imran has disqualified that by outright lying and saying it was just lulz.

So with blatant hypocrisy, intentional deconstruction of context and past statements, the active-passive good cop bad cop support you've been giving each other to deflect attention and hoping to get a wagon going on Avater, whose mistake could very well be a townie noob mistake, I think the two of you are acting quite suspicious.

AbT has spent the past few posts defending Imran and trying to deflect attention, I feel the attention should remain there.

Due to above reasons of doublespeak, I Vote for Imran and suggest AbT gets investigated.

Those saying there isn't enough info, this is exactly the kind of quality of info available early on, sorry but no one is going to come out and blurt it out and lay it down for everyone.

There is a clear pattern of Imran's posting and AbTs passive active deflections of criticism of Imran. He's been careful enough to keep a room for plausible deniability, scum 101 really. They will tell you oh see, you guys didn't Lynch on d1, so now deal with no information. But, there is information guys.

Remember, if we lynched on d1, we'd have two townies dead instead of 1 and there would have been more or less same quality of information. Everyone who keeps saying oh We'd find out from Lynch wagon, you think all scum would be on wagon? There'd be significant majority of townies on the wagon. The probabilities might as well have redcued to find scum on the wagon.

That's a lot of misinformation here.

 

First of all if me and Imran were both scums, wouldn't it be to careless for us to stand in the spotlight just from the very beginning? Drawing attention and making ourselves investigation targets? How long would we be able to lead the lynching before we get challenged? Wouldn't be better to wait a few days watching as town is getting thinned out before stepping out and applying some sort of coup de grace?

 

Secondly let me go through your statements:

 

1. Not agreeing with everything Rhizo says (or rather being polite to him and mentioning there are things I agree) is an indication for you I'm a scum.

2. You say I'm criticizing Avater for "bandwagonning", yet just 2 posts before you (in post #277) I'm clearly stating I don't see his actions as bandwagonning.

3. Tell me again, what I was defending Imran from? Hotshots that came in with not even a pinch of proof ? Are there some serious concerns about Imran? Any indication apart from D1 teasing? Or do you want to build your case upon "Samus hath spoken and it was good"? Please read yourself again because its really absurd:

 

"Also let's not say everything that was done on D1 was lulz, Samus clearly indicated he wasn't lulling around when he mentioned Imran. But
Imran has disqualified that by outright lying and saying it was just lulz."

 

4. I've come with idea on D1 that was criticized by everyone, with Imran (especially him) and Mandarjin being most vocal about it. Noone has supported it, I saw it flaws and dropped it.

 

 

I suggest you read more carefully everything I wrote about Avater because you're spreading misinformation (I won't call it lying yet). Clearly you've fixed yourself on a target and are not letting facts to get into your way. You're making Avaters backing out as a mere noob mistake (which I agree with...question is was it scums or townies mistake?) and trying to convince us Samus is a prophet.

[KevinH]

Unofficial Vote Count

Avater (2): Imran Ehsan, Ali bin Turban, 

Imran Ehsan (1): Avater, 

Kaziocore (1): Roquentin, 

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Shahenshah (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

TheDoom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, iSocialism, Kaziocore, KevinH, Lyner, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Shahenshah, Sister Midnight, TheDoom, King Hitler, 
 
 
I didn't count this: 

Due to above reasons of doublespeak, I Vote for Imran and suggest AbT gets investigated.

 

because of this:

 

• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

 

[Imran Ehsan]

Please read yourself again because its really absurd:

 

He doesnt need to read it. He knows exactly what he's doing. Pretty much what he did in the last game where he was scum. Completely vague and tangential posts that confuse everyone but mean pretty much nothing.

[Shahenshah]

Please read yourself again because its really absurd:

 
He doesnt need to read it. He knows exactly what he's doing. Pretty much what he did in the last game where he was scum. Completely vague and tangential posts that confuse everyone but mean pretty much nothing.

1. Don't worry, I'll substantiate each and every claim. Why are you worried mate?
2. Last game, I just spammed, that is the strategy WE worked together on, you'll pretend to be that reasonable guy and I'll spam.
3. I've not spammed this time around. My last three posts have been spread over few days and I posted thinking them through just to avoid the spam and confuse others. Quite different strategy from last game, as it would be, different side. Yours tho, is consistent with capitalising on noob errors.
4. Your friend even pointed out I wasn't posting enough. do you want me to point that out too because apparently its all vague and tangential, right?

So contrary to your claims, my strategy has been in fact the opposite, the fact that you're intentionally and knowingly pushing through blatantly false narrative further solidifies my vote.

Kevin,
Vote: Imran.

@Lyner: Cops are offcourse free to do what they want. I've put my suggestion on the table. If Imran/AbT aren't scum, I'll be happy knowing that two smart people aren't scum.

[Ali bin Turban]

I'm glad you say you will substantiate. Please start from those claims I've mentioned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also Shah, Imran, Rhizo and everyone else, let's stop talking about who did what in other games. Those are not valid arguments...are you seriously expecting rest of us to start reading all other games just to verify if your claim is correct? Should everyone now go for instance into Force Awakens topic and chew through 64 pages, just because you have no other arguments?

 

Please stop this shit.

[Imran Ehsan]

Yes lets hear them.

 

Unvote

 

Avater's vote can be justified as a noob playing his first game. But Shah seems to be the one who started this day with a "plan". So to show that I am gonna listen to your substantiated claims with an open mind, I am not even going to vote for you yet. Lets hear those accusations first.

[Shahenshah]

I'm glad you say you will substantiate. Please start from those claims I've mentioned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also Shah, Imran, Rhizo and everyone else, let's stop talking about who did what in other games. Those are not valid arguments...are you seriously expecting rest of us to start reading all other games just to verify if your claim is correct? Should everyone now go for instance into Force Awakens topic and chew through 64 pages, just because you have no other arguments?

 

Please stop this shit.

Basically, it's your friend who keeps bringing up 'other' games to validate his claims. He did that to Rhizo, he did that to me. Once again we see a passive attempt here, the 'negative' gets diluted just from Imran to Shah, Imran and Rhizo ;-) to dilute the effects and deflect it off. Plenty of people here played those games and know what happened and what didnt happen, so if Imran is going to raise a false claim from another game, it will offcourse be countered. I'm more than happy to not refer to other games.

 

I will substantiate the post as that has been requested as some people may not be following so thoroughly. Given plenty of time that is available, I'll do it justice and make it precise and very presentable and easy to follow for those who are relatively less active.  

 

Imran, how can I start the day with 'my plan' when what I've said is based on alot of what you have posted after the day has started? That would imply I knew exactly what you were going to post. Now that's not possible mate, only you know what you're gonna post. C'mon man, you're being like whatever Methrage's alliance is called these days. 

and I respect yo'r intelligence enough to know when you're intentionally throwing fluff Imran. Chillax.

 

Meanwhile, it seems like three people are playing this game. Feel free to jump in guys (with quality content).

[Ali bin Turban]

TW, can you stop this bullshit with talking about who did what in other games? I'm not going to talk with Shah about it anymore, because he got his tinfoil hat firmly attached for the purpose of this game.

[Shahenshah]

Yes lets hear them.

 

Unvote

 

Avater's vote can be justified as a noob playing his first game. 

 

Thanks for agreeing with me. 

[Chaplain of death]

TW, can you stop this bullshit with talking about who did what in other games? I'm not going to talk with Shah about it anymore, because he got his tinfoil hat firmly attached for the purpose of this game.

 

Using behavior patterns of players from past games is a legit strategy. It puts newer players who haven't played with these people at a disadvantage, but if necessary they can check out past games for themselves to discover game play patterns. The fact that you are so dismissive of this and of Shah is kind of worrying TBH. 

 

Also sorry I haven't been as active in this game yet, So much going on in the other and in life lately. Will try to amend that issue soon.

[KevinH]

Vote: Kaziocore

 

He's alive on Day 2 so he must be scum!

 

(plus he's inactive plus he already has another vote on him)

[Ali bin Turban]

 

TW, can you stop this bullshit with talking about who did what in other games? I'm not going to talk with Shah about it anymore, because he got his tinfoil hat firmly attached for the purpose of this game.

 

Using behavior patterns of players from past games is a legit strategy. It puts newer players who haven't played with these people at a disadvantage, but if necessary they can check out past games for themselves to discover game play patterns. The fact that you are so dismissive of this and of Shah is kind of worrying TBH. 

 

Also sorry I haven't been as active in this game yet, So much going on in the other and in life lately. Will try to amend that issue soon.

 

[OOC] I don't find instances that require me for example to go and check page 15 of other game to verify if someone's lying or telling truth a valid strategy. I'm OK with general statements that someone is usually doing this and this. I'm not OK with referring to specific actions from specific game. Am I to track all past games now to see if such statement is lie or truth? This is my "out of the game" concern. Shall I post it in our pregame convo to clear this up? Because I'd like it to be cleared by TW how far can we go with such behavior [/OOC]

 

As for being dismissive of Shah, let me repeat this:  He lied about me criticizing Avater's "bandwagonning" vote, when I clearly stated in post #277 that "I don't see Avater's actions as bandwagonning.". There's no chance he missed that, because he mentioned that very post two sentences later. He used that lie to paint me as a doublespeaking hypocrite. 

 

Just compare Imran and Shah now. Imran's playing aggressively but he's putting facts straight (at least so far). When he goes after Avater, you clearly see his reasoning (bandwagonning) and you can draw your own conclusions and agree with that or not. That's pretty simple.

 

Now when you go to Shah post, it's obfuscated with diplo-speak. He builds his case upon lies and absurd assumptions (as I've mentioned in points 1 and 2 in my post #284, as for "Samus theory" it's post #137 - would you personally lynch Imran because of that?) then proceeds to dilute them in a mass of redundant words that serve no purpose other than sowing confusion and in the end he forces his conclusions upon readers. I don't like that kind of political speeches and I strongly believe all townies should follow the advice of Matthew 5:37. 

[KevinH]

"Yes!"

Unofficial Vote Count

Imran Ehsan (2): Avater, Shahenshah,  

Kaziocore (2): Roquentin, KevinH,

Avater (1): Ali bin Turban, 

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Shahenshah (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

TheDoom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Chaplain of Death, Finster Baby, iSocialism, Kaziocore, Lyner, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Sister Midnight, TheDoom, King Hitler, Imran Ehsan,  
 
 

[Lyner]

Eh we need Avater to post more to determine if he is truly a noob scum, at this point the more inactive he is the scummier he gets

 

IMO Imran's reaction is natural but Rhizo's reaction seems a bit off, either he skipped some posts or it is about the other game

 

Imran and AbT are either scum pair or town pair, I'm leaning on the latter

 

Shah, on the other hand, plays exactly like when he was scum last time, let's see what he has to say

 

 

Also Rafay I suggest you elaborate more about your accusation against Kaz if you actually have an important clue

[KevinH]

"Yes!"

 

No?

I want Kaziocore to be more active.

[Imran Ehsan]

OK here's Shah's response to our very valid queries.
 
ABT:

I'm glad you say you will substantiate. Please start from those claims I've mentioned.

 
Shah:

 

Basically, it's your friend who keeps bringing up 'other' games to validate his claims. He did that to Rhizo, he did that to me. Once again we see a passive attempt here, the 'negative' gets diluted just from Imran to Shah, Imran and Rhizo ;-) to dilute the effects and deflect it off. Plenty of people here played those games and know what happened and what didnt happen, so if Imran is going to raise a false claim from another game, it will offcourse be countered. I'm more than happy to not refer to other games.

 

So his point here is I am referring to other games. Of course I will refer to other games. Someones game play can be analysed based on how they acted when they were scum in previous games and how they normally act when they are town. Refer to Lyner's post above.

I will substantiate the post as that has been requested as some people may not be following so thoroughly. Given plenty of time that is available, I'll do it justice and make it precise and very presentable and easy to follow for those who are relatively less active.

You say you will, but seems like you wont or cant. You were caught claiming some vague and completely baseless now all I am hearing is excuses that you dont have time to substantiate your claims.

Imran, how can I start the day with 'my plan' when what I've said is based on alot of what you have posted after the day has started? That would imply I knew exactly what you were going to post. Now that's not possible mate, only you know what you're gonna post. C'mon man, you're being like whatever Methrage's alliance is called these days.

 

Again, fluff. What have I posted that you are basing your accusations on? Are we again going to hear claims of substantiated accusations and when asked it becomes you have no time?

and I respect yo'r intelligence enough to know when you're intentionally throwing fluff Imran. Chillax.

Please give examples of the fluff I am throwing. You keep on claiming things and can't provide any example to back them up. I am waiting.

 

Overall thoughts.

 

Shah is posting a lot of fluff and making up accusations out of thin air hoping something would stick. His posts feel desperate to me. He is not basing his accusations based on any facts but he has his mind made up that he has to accuse me of being scum in any way possible. Lots of claims and accusations in between vague references and fluff. He is hoping more people will jump on the bandwagon if he keeps on the manta is "Imran is scum" "Imran is scum".

 

This game has a half majority rule. So at deadline they need only 5 people to be voting on one guy to get him lynched. He saw I already had 2 votes on me. So he jumped in. Would have been 3 votes on me if Hitler had not unvoted. Rhizo's  attacks at me out of nowhere in the scenario is also suspicious. They are looking to get a quick lynch of one of the most active townie players very early. Now, as he has alreaded waded into the mud of trying to get me lynched he cant come up with valid accusations against me so he has resorted to posting vague and fluff posts which mean nothing.

 

Another point. He wants the cop to investigate me. Thats fine. But when I said the cop should investigate Shah the next night. He quickly replies the cop should investigate ABT the next night before investigating him. So basically he wants the cops action to be tied up for 2 nights so that he and his scum buddies dont get investigated. Thats a cute attempt.

 

I have never seen anyone act so scummy on D2 before. And I think my vote will be well placed.

 

Vote: Shah

 

One more point.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

 

Imran Ehsan (2): Avater, Shahenshah

Kaziocore (2): Roquentin, KevinH

Avater (1): Ali bin Turban

Shahenshah (1): Imran Ehsan

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

d3mon (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

King Hitler (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):
TheDoom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Chaplain of Death, d3mon, Finster Baby, iSocialism, Kaziocore, King Hitler, Lyner, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, TheDoom

 
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

Deadline is Friday, May 6th, at 9:00am CN Server Time (CST).