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[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby

Avater (2): KevinH, Canik

Rhizoctonia (2): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban

d3mon (1): Rafay

Mandarijn (1): Rhizoctonia

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

[Ali bin Turban]

To clear things (from me): we can't prove that someone here is scum for sure. We can attach different levels of scuminess and pray it wasn't caused by their clumsiness (or our bad judgment).

For me lynch worthy ar Rhizo/Finster , then Canik, then Avater - and to make it clear if I see that there are no chances for lynching higher priority targets I'll go for a lower one, so that we are able to lynch anyone from my list today.

 

Avater is suspicious, but I think there are better targets around. Targeting him is just looking for an excuse not to hit the other guys. Canik is still a very possible target. I was voting to lynch Shah on D2 (as a matter of fact I was the only one left voting for him) and his actions didn't changed my opinion - he didn't do anything to alleviate my suspicion, but also hasn't increased it that much.

 

As for the Rhizo, true there was nothing solid. Just a set of small things that don't mean much on their own but when joined together they allow to build up a theory. Just like I said:

 

1. An assumption what KevinH has mentioned is possible (that there are townies mostly fighting together and scum are watching). Just as mentioned, I'm letting myself to have a moment of doubt and think "what if Shah was just a little clumsy tinfoil hat investigator" (I'm not clearing him though and will vote on him it there are no other targets).

 

2. Rhizo is the one watching - he's not working with the town, he's not discussing any options, asking any questions. Having no role is no excuse - I assure you, there are multiple people here that have shitty roles (like for instance how much does VT differ from KH's 1-shot commuter?). Waiting for someone to throw a solid evidence is also no excuse.

True, there are few others that are not active, but they don't have such activity bursts and don't match my other concerns.

 

3. Rhizo gets suspicious read from Mandarjins role. Getting "Vanilla" in this setup, when so far every townie has turned out to have a role, is far from proving he's townie - it makes him stand out. He may repeat even 100 times that he's VT, but it proves nothing (though it's possible he's indeed).

 

4. I don't know if it's his playstyle but he gets nervous when being mentioned. Accusing most of the people and voting on 99,99% confirmed townie is nothing more than sowing confusion. His arguments about Mandarjin make absolutely no sense.

          Where is the logic for someone being a scum to take a huge risk by making a role claim and to start building a sophisticated trap (supported with me and Imran, who were asking questions) just to take out VT who's not even active !!? How would even Mandarjin knew Rhizo had no role if he was a scum and not a Role cop?

[KevinH]

Four days left until deadline.

I'd like more votes to come out.

The town needs to lynch and get lucky.

[Ali bin Turban]

Four days left until deadline.

I'd like more votes to come out.

The town needs to lynch and get lucky.

Lynching the scum is only half success. Confirming a townie due to successful lynch is as important. I don't think we'll get that from taking out Avater.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Quoted for ease of looking at Mandarijn's slow progression.  

 

1.  believes I'm town yet could be Godfather, wont say more

2.  Acts pro town by not wanting to reveal what he found as it could be detrimental, but again states he think's I'm town but throws in Godfather again

3.  Seemingly want to find out if there is more then 1 VT

4.  Comes out with what he finds while earlier stating he wouldn't, twice, and explaining why he wouldn't.

5.  Suddenly now he starts looking at me as scum...though all along he was the one to keep tossing up Godfather.  It wasn't like someone else mentioned the idea of Godfather and started to make him think differently.  Seemingly fishing for others to confirm or deny anyone else doesn't have a PR

Rhizo, I made the mistake to go off of this that I learned last game:

"A Godfather is a role that investigates as Innocent (or some other favorable result) to Cops, regardless of their actual alignment."

 

But then Ali showed me the Role Cop link and there it clearly shows that the Role Cop would succesfully identify the Godfather, but would get "Vanilla" for a normal scum without a role (I thought it was the other way around). And I didn't know that, that's why I screwed up with giving my results and didn't really had any other choice than to give the actual result, because if I didn't it would only confuse the town... It's still very probable that you're scum actually. But like Yehom said, maybe it's better to wait to see if a VT gets killed (to confirm it's not a role madness game) and then you're probably town. If not, then you'll be lynched as you're scum then...

 

 

I have some remarks to make, but not the time to dive into them atm, but by chance you reply before I do, it will help me out a bit.

 

So I may have overlooked something, so my theory may change dependent on your response.  What exactly are you trying to say I could be besides a VT?   I just would like to know exactly what I'm being accused of being besides what I am.  I'm trying to understand your reasoning for outing me as having no role, when I see no benefit for doing so, as it doesn't answer anything or provide any proof, it only helps the Scum. 

[Yehom]

So are Avater, Robert and Roquentin going to chime in on the discussion anytime soon? I'd like to hear their stances, especially Avater's

[The Warrior]

I have pinged them all.

[KevinH]

Limiting my choices to those who currently have votes, my order is

1. Avater
2. D3mon
3. Rhizoctonia
4. Canik

[Mandarijn]

 

 

Quoted for ease of looking at Mandarijn's slow progression.  

 

1.  believes I'm town yet could be Godfather, wont say more

2.  Acts pro town by not wanting to reveal what he found as it could be detrimental, but again states he think's I'm town but throws in Godfather again

3.  Seemingly want to find out if there is more then 1 VT

4.  Comes out with what he finds while earlier stating he wouldn't, twice, and explaining why he wouldn't.

5.  Suddenly now he starts looking at me as scum...though all along he was the one to keep tossing up Godfather.  It wasn't like someone else mentioned the idea of Godfather and started to make him think differently.  Seemingly fishing for others to confirm or deny anyone else doesn't have a PR

Rhizo, I made the mistake to go off of this that I learned last game:

"A Godfather is a role that investigates as Innocent (or some other favorable result) to Cops, regardless of their actual alignment."

 

But then Ali showed me the Role Cop link and there it clearly shows that the Role Cop would succesfully identify the Godfather, but would get "Vanilla" for a normal scum without a role (I thought it was the other way around). And I didn't know that, that's why I screwed up with giving my results and didn't really had any other choice than to give the actual result, because if I didn't it would only confuse the town... It's still very probable that you're scum actually. But like Yehom said, maybe it's better to wait to see if a VT gets killed (to confirm it's not a role madness game) and then you're probably town. If not, then you'll be lynched as you're scum then...

 

 

I have some remarks to make, but not the time to dive into them atm, but by chance you reply before I do, it will help me out a bit.

 

So I may have overlooked something, so my theory may change dependent on your response.  What exactly are you trying to say I could be besides a VT?   I just would like to know exactly what I'm being accused of being besides what I am.  I'm trying to understand your reasoning for outing me as having no role, when I see no benefit for doing so, as it doesn't answer anything or provide any proof, it only helps the Scum. 

 

You can also be a normal scum (without a role), which I overlooked (I thought it was Godfather), but it's clearly stated here:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop

"There is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon is investigated, they return "Vanilla", although a Godfather will return "Godfather"."

[Canik]

Lynching the scum is only half success. Confirming a townie due to successful lynch is as important. I don't think we'll get that from taking out Avater.

Hmm...interesting point. I'm not sure there are any scenarios where it would 100% factually confirm someone. Even if Rhizo is lynched and turns up scum, there is still a possibility it's part of a bigger scum plot.. but it would be very needless, very illogical. Rhizo was relatively safe, as were Mandarjin/KevinH.. it would've been much easier and safer to push a lynch on Avater, d3mon, FB or myself. Which makes me find that possibility so unlikely, might as well be fact.

Also, I do have a power role. Everyone else has so far, it's really looking as if virtually if not all town have some power. Making it very likely a Vanilla hit could be a Vanilla scum.

And you are right, Rhizo hasn't done much to help. Yet finds time for very lengthy defense posts. A vanilla town should be hunting, and not worrying so much about their own life.

So -

Unvote
Vote: Rhizo

 

[Rhizoctonia]

Don't have time to respond like I want to, but at this point I'm taking off my vote from Mandarijn.  I still don't believe there was a reason to come out fully with all the information.  I think you should of stuck with your first plan and not go into more detail as revealing like you did didn't answer any question or provide any significant information one way or the other and revealed to the scum I don't have a PR.  That being said, though I find it a bad choice on your part, I can understand why you felt you needed to come out with everything.

 

Unvote

 

I'll get to my vote later on when I have time to address it and reply to some people.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby

Rhizoctonia (3): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik

Avater (1): KevinH

d3mon (1): Rafay

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

[KevinH]

Unvote.
Vote: D3mon.
 
He's 2nd on my latest list.
 
Also, Mandarijn did the right thing by sharing info.
He confirmed my role and raised suspicion where it needed to be raised.

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby

Rhizoctonia (3): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik

d3mon (2): Rafay, KevinH

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

[Chaplain of death]

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

[Ali bin Turban]

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

I think we'll loose anyway just due to the numbers. The bigger players pool we have the higher chances of town failing (inactive scum does not hurt until he's the last scum standing, while every inactive townie hurts equally).

 

I propose we get Samus back from the dead to replace d3mon/Robert2424. He was townie and died on N1 so he possesses no "illicit" information that would affect his gameplay.

[Chaplain of death]

 

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

I think we'll loose anyway just due to the numbers. The bigger players pool we have the higher chances of town failing (inactive scum does not hurt until he's the last scum standing, while every inactive townie hurts equally).

 

I propose we get Samus back from the dead to replace d3mon/Robert2424. He was townie and died on N1 so he possesses no "illicit" information that would affect his gameplay.

 

 

Most likely but I'm going to play it out and try to push the town to victory until that point.

 

As for Samus. As much as I want samus back, samus has the knowledge of he rolestopped night one. May sound like nothing but that could be pretty relevant.

[Ali bin Turban]

 

 

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

I think we'll loose anyway just due to the numbers. The bigger players pool we have the higher chances of town failing (inactive scum does not hurt until he's the last scum standing, while every inactive townie hurts equally).

 

I propose we get Samus back from the dead to replace d3mon/Robert2424. He was townie and died on N1 so he possesses no "illicit" information that would affect his gameplay.

 

 

Most likely but I'm going to play it out and try to push the town to victory until that point.

 

As for Samus. As much as I want samus back, samus has the knowledge of he rolestopped night one. May sound like nothing but that could be pretty relevant.

 

Assuming he used it...anyway it's TW's decision not ours, but it would be nice to get few more people as replacements.

[Antoine Roquentin]

I didn't get pinged but I've been reading. It's hard to choose between Rhizo and Canik since there seems to be an equal amount of suspicion and both have groups of people making good points against them.

 

Vote d3mon. I'd rather narrow it down based on people who don't vote.

[Ali bin Turban]

I didn't get pinged but I've been reading. It's hard to choose between Rhizo and Canik since there seems to be an equal amount of suspicion and both have groups of people making good points against them.

 

Vote d3mon. I'd rather narrow it down based on people who don't vote.

I don't think lynching inactives everyday is a winning tactic. At least not for townies.