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[Chaplain of death]

What can i say, i haven't really played mafia in lile 3 years, so its just what I'm used to lol

[Lyner]

Good move by AbT

 

 

Finster is a good choice, we only have a few days though so please make your decision, town.

 

Vote: Finster Baby

 

His behaviour the past two days:

1. He clearly picks Shah's side during the Shah/Imran/AbT debacle, shown by this post

2. When Shah is replaced by Canik, however, he said he'd support AbT's accusation on Shah if it is still Shah who's playing(Canik replaced Shah). He later amended his statement that Imran is still scummier than Shah/Canik, so he's not changing his vote.

3. FB joins the Lyner wagon instantly, citing his reason as the same as Canik's. There're 2 scum tells here:

First, he should've done that by himself before Canik said it, if he truly felt that my statement is a sign of scum, the fact that he didn't means he's just following Canik.

Second, this is the same person who still didn't change his vote when he's clearly given a good argument of Shah's wrongdoing(and he even acknowledged that the argument is correct). Yet when it comes to my wagon, he changed his vote so easily?

4. The second day, he completely changed his opinion without any additional information, citing that my night actions are "consistent" as the reason, whatever that could mean.

 

 

Also I encourage the townies to link the relevant posts when you're accusing someone with his past posts, use the search function on the guy's name and search in the Mafia board

 

 

 

@CoD I'm done speaking with you in a logical fashion, I'll let the town decides your sanity

[Chaplain of death]

Good move by AbT
 
 
Finster is a good choice, we only have a few days though so please make your decision, town.
 
Vote: Finster Baby
 
His behaviour the past two days:
1. He clearly picks Shah's side during the Shah/Imran/AbT debacle, shown by this post
2. When Shah is replaced by Canik, however, he said he'd support AbT's accusation on Shah if it is still Shah who's playing(Canik replaced Shah). He later amended his statement that Imran is still scummier than Shah/Canik, so he's not changing his vote.
3. FB joins the Lyner wagon instantly, citing his reason as the same as Canik's. There're 2 scum tells here:
First, he should've done that by himself before Canik said it, if he truly felt that my statement is a sign of scum, the fact that he didn't means he's just following Canik.
Second, this is the same person who still didn't change his vote when he's clearly given a good argument of Shah's wrongdoing(and he even acknowledged that the argument is correct). Yet when it comes to my wagon, he changed his vote so easily?
4. The second day, he completely changed his opinion without any additional information, citing that my night actions are "consistent" as the reason, whatever that could mean.
 
 
Also I encourage the townies to link the relevant posts when you're accusing someone with his past posts, use the search function on the guy's name and search in the Mafia board
 
 
 
@CoD I'm done speaking with you in a logical fashion, I'll let the town decides your sanity

Considering you've intentionally left logic out of it anytime youve responded to me, okay then? Is that just admitting the above instead of trying to hide it?

[Chaplain of death]

Also just going to throw this out there. It hurts scum the most to engage in logical discussion. Thats how you scum hunt. They have to manufacture information to hide the truth while the town just needs to be truthful and analyze the facts to see what doesnt fit.

Choosing not to engage in logical discussion and dismissing factual arguments out of hand without actually addressing them or proving them wrong is a major scum tactic.

[Chaplain of death]

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

Votes d3mon in an effort to put someone pressure elsewhere without giving a reason

When called out for changing vote without reason jumps onto ABTs vote on Finster almost immediately (same thing you are accusing FB of doing, if you thought he was scum whyd you wait until someone else voted for him?)

Dismissing my arguments out of hand and labeling me insane for making a logically sound argument in an attempt to discredit me without engaging in discussion on the matter.

If anything, Lyners actions only convince me more that Rhizo is scum and that Lyner is scum as well.


Im a bit confused as to why ABT would change his vote now if hes so suspicious of Rhizo. Nothing anyone has said has made him any less suspicious, in fact, as i said above, i find him more suspicious based on how people are trying to defend him. Not sure if confused townie or not at this point.

[Canik]

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

Hehe, I do think it's funny/interesting that Lyner was saying "the Rhizo discussion is a distraction". He is acting strangely ignorant at times. I mean, you can argue lynching an inactive first would be BETTER, but how do you deny the logic of the role madness theory? Virtually everyone else seems to get it, including virtually confirmed towns, such as Kevin. He just thinks inactive first would be better.

[iSocialism]

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

Votes d3mon in an effort to put someone pressure elsewhere without giving a reason

When called out for changing vote without reason jumps onto ABTs vote on Finster almost immediately (same thing you are accusing FB of doing, if you thought he was scum whyd you wait until someone else voted for him?)

Dismissing my arguments out of hand and labeling me insane for making a logically sound argument in an attempt to discredit me without engaging in discussion on the matter.

If anything, Lyners actions only convince me more that Rhizo is scum and that Lyner is scum as well.


Im a bit confused as to why ABT would change his vote now if hes so suspicious of Rhizo. Nothing anyone has said has made him any less suspicious, in fact, as i said above, i find him more suspicious based on how people are trying to defend him. Not sure if confused townie or not at this point.

Lyner actions actually puts rhiz more in danager, it's now  3 to 4.

 with it's originally being 3-5 demon.

Also just going to throw this out there. It hurts scum the most to engage in logical discussion. Thats how you scum hunt. They have to manufacture information to hide the truth while the town just needs to be truthful and analyze the facts to see what doesnt fit.

Choosing not to engage in logical discussion and dismissing factual arguments out of hand without actually addressing them or proving them wrong is a major scum tactic.

so, would illogical talk hurt the town? Now I'm not taking sides to either of them, but don't use red herring to "prove" a point in an ironic statement.  

 

Now work with me. I see you as pro-town, one of the few. ABT might have moved his vote over, because he sees the wagon dying and demon becoming the popular vote. He' sees FB as his next potential scum.  So he tries to generate a lynch elsewhere to see if others will follow. To the opposite of Lyner's vote, it favors rhiz. ABT has been sure about Rhiz being scum just the same as FB.  ABT has just lower the chance of Rhiz being lynched. In oreder to create another lesser wagon. Which makes demon more likely to be lynched.

Lyner unvote is more anti-rhiz than ABT unvote.

 

I more just wanted to point  that out. Along that Imran you're doing that thing again, where you push for the two people the town are pushing for and you look for one detail and try to discredit someone with that.

Lets look at one of Rhizo's claims.

Yehom, on 10 May 2016 - 03:22, said:

My god I just went through 24 pages and 476 comments. My thoughts so far
 
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- Manda's claim of being a role cop outing Kevin to be Miller and Rhizo to be vanilla. I would like to hear Rhizo's explanation for that first, before I want to jump to conclusions. For that matter Manda could be scum trying to cover up for Kevin (Miller is an easy role to fake if you're actually scum), though I would like to believe Manda's claim

In reply to this Rhizo posts:

I already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply.

 
And then goes on a spin on how Mandarijn is probably scum. So he is picking up on Yehom's thoughts of whether Mand can be false claiming. Claims he came out as a VT though he does not clarify whether this was prior to Mands claim or later, but posts a wall of text on how Mand can be scum. 
 
Now he is saying:
 

Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it. I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this. The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.

 

But you did say you "already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply."

 

If you did not post anywhere that you were a VT before Mand revealed it, then you should have known that Mandarijn's role claim is not false. There was no way he could have known you were a VT if you had not posted about it anywhere earlier unless he used the Role Cop ability on you. But you still go on a lengthy argument trying to prove how Mandarijn is scum. So even knowing he is probably a Role Cop you still try to paint him as scum.

 

Now when you have been called out to show where you had posted earlier that you had a VT role you backpedal like crazy and withdraw your accusation.

 

lol..this is too funny.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

I still think Canik has a high probability of being scum but there is more info pointing towards Rhizo at the moment.

 

Go ahead and try to fight this, by calling me scum, find some random thing and say I'm siding with rhiz, when I'm not. I'm siding with not using BS to push a vote.

This whole I think so and so is scum, and the best choice, but I'm going to vote for another guy because he has more votes. This is getting old. Therefore,

 

Let's the game begin.

Vote Imran

[Chaplain of death]

Lyners actions only put Rhizo in more danger because i called him out. He was trying to discredit my argument and make others dismiss my argument out of hand, which most people have been doing which is annoying as hell.

Lyner only pulled his vote off d3mon because i called him out and Rhizo voted d3mon also, which makes it look like they are coordinating.

My point about engaging in logical discussion is more the fact that i brought a logical argument forward for why to lynch Rhizo, and both Rhizo and Lyner have avoided my argument all together and are addressing the arguments others are making that aren't grounded in fact. By skirting around the factual argument they are attempting to (and so far succeeding) to make the town think there is no evidence against Rhizo. They've done a comendable job but im a stubborn god damn mule and im not going to just sit quietly while they do it. However the town is also bypassing my argument because they have, essentially they are letting the scum dictate what we discuss and what we ignore. Townies should look at all the facts available to them and vote to lynch the most likely scum, regardless of what other people are talking about or saying.
*they should place their vote but they should also listen to discussion on why their reasoning may be flawed from someone else's perspective and offer their own for why they placed it. (Just clarifying because my last sentence was worded awfully)

[Imran Ehsan]

ISocialism being clueless as usual.

Rhizome is scum and needs to be lynched.

[Chaplain of death]

There goes the the steam, congrats for surviving, Canik


I still can't agree to lynch Rhizo since both of my suspects (Canik and CoD) are joining the wagon, reeks too much. If all four of you are scums though, town pretty much already lost.

Vote: d3mon

Also iSoc, since we're talking about people voting for someone while saying they suspect someone else more.

[Canik]

Go ahead and try to fight this, by calling me scum, find some random thing and say I'm siding with rhiz, when I'm not. I'm siding with not using BS to push a vote. This whole I think so and so is scum, and the best choice, but I'm going to vote for another guy because he has more votes. This is getting old. Therefore, Let's the game begin. Vote Imran

Seems like a rather weak reason to vote Imran tbh.

FOS: iSocialism, Lyner for their refusal to acknowledge the legitimacy of the role madness theory.

At this point, I am thinking d3mon is probably just an inactive town. Lyner/Rhizo/iSoc are scum team, Avater is probably the 4th. If there is a 5th, not too sure about that one. Could be a lot of people.

[iSocialism]

I love it, FOS for a weak reason. You may want to make that list longer. I'm very clueless, totally clueless as clueless as a red herring, but not butt hurt as an.....

[Lyner]

Also just going to throw this out there. It hurts scum the most to engage in logical discussion. Thats how you scum hunt. They have to manufacture information to hide the truth while the town just needs to be truthful and analyze the facts to see what doesnt fit.

Choosing not to engage in logical discussion and dismissing factual arguments out of hand without actually addressing them or proving them wrong is a major scum tactic.

 

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

Votes d3mon in an effort to put someone pressure elsewhere without giving a reason

When called out for changing vote without reason jumps onto ABTs vote on Finster almost immediately (same thing you are accusing FB of doing, if you thought he was scum whyd you wait until someone else voted for him?)

Dismissing my arguments out of hand and labeling me insane for making a logically sound argument in an attempt to discredit me without engaging in discussion on the matter.

If anything, Lyners actions only convince me more that Rhizo is scum and that Lyner is scum as well.


Im a bit confused as to why ABT would change his vote now if hes so suspicious of Rhizo. Nothing anyone has said has made him any less suspicious, in fact, as i said above, i find him more suspicious based on how people are trying to defend him. Not sure if confused townie or not at this point.

 

 

There goes the the steam, congrats for surviving, Canik


I still can't agree to lynch Rhizo since both of my suspects (Canik and CoD) are joining the wagon, reeks too much. If all four of you are scums though, town pretty much already lost.

Vote: d3mon

Also iSoc, since we're talking about people voting for someone while saying they suspect someone else more.

 

 

 

No offense but arguing with a crazy person to prove that he is insane is a useless effort, there must be a third party to judge, and your claim of "logically sound argument"  isn't sound at all, as you repeatedly ignore my reasoning.

 

I clearly stated that you, Canik, and Finster is my suspects. Canik is my first priority since he's the key here. The wagon failed and since AbT is arousing another wagon to lynch another of my suspect, it's logical to support him. Clear difference from Finster's condition

 

Good thing that you're confused with AbT's sudden change, just another reason that you're not paying attention to what people're talking about, also a scum tell

 

 

 

Also this is a team game, if I have multiple votes I'd vote all of you, but apparently I need townies' support

 

 

 

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

Hehe, I do think it's funny/interesting that Lyner was saying "the Rhizo discussion is a distraction". He is acting strangely ignorant at times. I mean, you can argue lynching an inactive first would be BETTER, but how do you deny the logic of the role madness theory? Virtually everyone else seems to get it, including virtually confirmed towns, such as Kevin. He just thinks inactive first would be better.

 

 

Another distortion of truth?

 

Unless you skipped through the first post of this thread, it is clear that TW specifically posted which roles may appear and which may not. Vanilla Townie is included.

 

Even in a role madness game, there is no rule that there must be NO VANILLA TOWNIE, in fact, once again I quote Kevin's last game since it is counted as a role madness game there are roles such as Neapolitan that interacts with a vanilla(yes Neapolitan is also included in the opening post).

 

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Anyway, it doesn't even matter if there is a vanilla townie or not, that's not even my argument. Can you guys actually respond to my argument?

 

The main reason I suspected CoD is that he votes for Rhizo NOT FOR HIS GAMEPLAY, but for the BELIEF THAT THERE IS NO VANILLA TOWNIE. Sure you can guess, but a certainty that warrants a kill? Nope, typical scum play.

 

 

 

 

And iSoc made a good argument, d3mon has already passed the majority vote, if I'm on the Rhizo's team I would further advocate the "kill inactive first" so we can end this day quickly. Apparently nope, if we can't get a scum kill I'd rather have a safe kill.

 

I'll repeat this again, the sole reason I didn't vote for Rhizo is because you scums are wagoning to kill Rhizo. I don't care about Rhizo since he isn't even actively scum hunting and only defending his life

[Imran Ehsan]

I'll repeat this again, the sole reason I didn't vote for Rhizo is because you scums are wagoning to kill Rhizo. I don't care about Rhizo since he isn't even actively scum hunting and only defending his life

 

If Rhizo is not scum then he is a VT. Why would the scum wagon together to lynch a VT when there are better options of Canik or d3mon with probably power roles?

[Chaplain of death]

Oh, i used the fact that given the setup, its highly likely we have no VTs, AND EVEN IF WE DO THE MAFIA GOONS LUKELY OUTNUMBER THEM, as my reasoning. Now my reasoning includes your behavior.

Also you repeatedly gave baseless accusations towards me and Canik, and never said much about Finster, and yet suddenly hes also a major suspect? How convenient. The only reason you came off the d3mon wagon was because your vote was no longer needed to put him above Rhizo. I called you out for the vote change with no reason given, after you've been derailing any sort of discussion about Rhizo, and you immediately change again and suddenly you "already" suspected FB.

Also you're taking a game and making it personal for literally no reason other than that you have no counter argument. I get that you are trying your hardest to win and all but can you tone that shit down?

Now then you say the only reason you arent voting Rhizo is because we are scum? Give me a real accusation then? What makes you think im scum? The fact that im voting based on the knowledge we have at hand? And that my reasoning was further cemented by your own actions because your attempts to derail any suspicion leveled at Rhizo is highly typical of scum?

Now i don't think you are crazy and im not childish enough to resort to insults over a game. However, i don't see any reason to keep arguing with you because you've already made it fairly clear to me that you and Rhizo are scum. Scum will of course deny that fact until they're lynched as i have no doubt you will, but engaging in this conversation achieves nothing at this point. You've already shown your colors, and i dont appear to be the only one who's seen it. Considering how upset i seem to have made you i don't doubt ill be nightkilled tonight, but if I'm not ill be voting for you immediately.

[Lyner]

 

I'll repeat this again, the sole reason I didn't vote for Rhizo is because you scums are wagoning to kill Rhizo. I don't care about Rhizo since he isn't even actively scum hunting and only defending his life

 

If Rhizo is not scum then he is a VT. Why would the scum wagon together to lynch a VT when there are better options of Canik or d3mon with probably power roles?

 

 

Under the assumption that Rhizo is VT and Canik is scum, here is the reasoning:

 

During the time when Canik wagon is the leading one(page #26), AbT shifted to vote Rhizo. This is followed by Canik. This implied he's saving himself. You put another vote to Rhizo, thus giving Canik more justification. Therefore it is an act of saving himself. He'd rather have a vanilla dead rather than him.

 

If the wagon succeeded and Rhizo is turned out as town, you will be the most suspicious one(as the most vocal one) instead of Canik. Win-win condition for scum Canik.

[Lyner]

Oh, i used the fact that given the setup, its highly likely we have no VTs, AND EVEN IF WE DO THE MAFIA GOONS LUKELY OUTNUMBER THEM, as my reasoning. Now my reasoning includes your behavior.

Also you repeatedly gave baseless accusations towards me and Canik, and never said much about Finster, and yet suddenly hes also a major suspect? How convenient. The only reason you came off the d3mon wagon was because your vote was no longer needed to put him above Rhizo. I called you out for the vote change with no reason given, after you've been derailing any sort of discussion about Rhizo, and you immediately change again and suddenly you "already" suspected FB.

Also you're taking a game and making it personal for literally no reason other than that you have no counter argument. I get that you are trying your hardest to win and all but can you tone that shit down?

Now then you say the only reason you arent voting Rhizo is because we are scum? Give me a real accusation then? What makes you think im scum? The fact that im voting based on the knowledge we have at hand? And that my reasoning was further cemented by your own actions because your attempts to derail any suspicion leveled at Rhizo is highly typical of scum?

Now i don't think you are crazy and im not childish enough to resort to insults over a game. However, i don't see any reason to keep arguing with you because you've already made it fairly clear to me that you and Rhizo are scum. Scum will of course deny that fact until they're lynched as i have no doubt you will, but engaging in this conversation achieves nothing at this point. You've already shown your colors, and i dont appear to be the only one who's seen it. Considering how upset i seem to have made you i don't doubt ill be nightkilled tonight, but if I'm not ill be voting for you immediately.

 

 

I have made all reasonings available from my former posts, please read them again if you actually care

 

Also glad that you've come to the same decision as mine at post #542

[Lyner]

[OOC]

Also I apologize if my analogy is a bit extreme, this bit:

 

No offense but arguing with a crazy person to prove that he is insane is a useless effort, there must be a third party to judge,

 

have the exact same meaning one as your statement, no insult intended:

 

Scum will of course deny that fact until they're lynched as i have no doubt you will, but engaging in this conversation achieves nothing at this point.

 

[/OOC]

[Chaplain of death]

You say i didn't address your point and yet that wasnt a point i ever read. Perhaps I'm mistaken but that's the first time I've seen it. As far as i saw you dodged my argument and addressed Imran and Caniks instead since their reasons were relatively weak at first.

Also i didn't come to the same conclusion. Im not shit talking you as a person based on a game. Im stating that engaging with a known scum no longer accomplishes anything.
I hope that's honest because that's in no way how it came across

[Chaplain of death]

[ooc]

Not saying you don't sound honest now, saying it didn't come across as no insult intended all in game shenanigans.

[/ooc]