I am pretty sure Rhizo is scum. Walls of texts to make anyones head spin but not enough quality content. Did he post what his opinion is on Canik? I just see a quick little FOS list where he added Canik to be on the safe side if Canik turns up scum. He is trying too hard to throw suspicion on Mandarijn as well. A scum never wants too many confirmed towns in a game, it makes their jobs harder for mislynches in later days. So he is attacking Mand which will also discredit the Kevin-is-town result. By the way, can you link where you mentioned you had a VT role before Mandarijn posted his results?
So I am fine with a Rhizo lynch as well. I get CODs points. Rather lynch the one acting very scummily than the active one who is at least posting somewhat reasonable justifications. Also there is the added benefit of no PR will get lynched if Rhizo is in fact town. I think both Lyner and COD are townies fighting amongst each other at this point but oif course I may be wrong and we will only know for sure once we lynch either Rhizo or Canik because people have been taking sides with their lynches.
So at kevin and others voting for Avater, your reasons are sounds as well to take out the lurker who is probably scum, but I think we will get more info to base our lynch on the next day by lynching either Rhizo or Canik.
1. believes I'm town yet could be Godfather, wont say more 2. Acts pro town by not wanting to reveal what he found as it could be detrimental, but again states he think's I'm town but throws in Godfather again 3. Seemingly want to find out if there is more then 1 VT 4. Comes out with what he finds while earlier stating he wouldn't, twice, and explaining why he wouldn't. 5. Suddenly now he starts looking at me as scum...though all along he was the one to keep tossing up Godfather. It wasn't like someone else mentioned the idea of Godfather and started to make him think differently. Seemingly fishing for others to confirm or deny anyone else doesn't have a PR
That is a little curious, but it quite easily could be Mandarjin is just inexperienced.
btw, did you say you claimed to be VT before Mandarjin posted it? Can you link us to that? I find that pretty interesting, if Mandarjin just claimed two roles that already revealed themselves.
For now, I'm not to sure who to vote for.. but I am sure we need Avater and d3mon to be more active, and Avater has given some reason for suspicion. Might change this later but for now:
Vote Avater
Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it. I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this. The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.
My Mandarijn theory I have since retracted after him explaining exactly why he went from not going to say what he found but that he thought I was Town, to suddenly doing so a day or so later. I understand he seemed to have misinterpreted what his findings could mean, and though I still don't think it was necessary to post his findings completely like he did, I can understand him trying to clear it up. I would of rather he left it at his first post (not tell exactly what he found) and not allow scum to know that I had no role and didn't have to worry about knocking me off quick, then what he did. Especially because it doesn't provide anything clear, but that's over and done with.
Last game by Kevin is also a role madness, but there is a Vanilla Townie that has a hidden ability and a Neapolitan that can be used to detect Vanillas
Kevin, as we all know, an experienced GM, even thinks that it is probable that there is at least one vanilla is present, and more so considering TW uses the same roles template as the last game. TW even included the sample role PM of a Vanilla townie in the OP.
The fact is that we don't know anything and any proof of scumminess in Rhizo is purely from his behaviour, suggesting anything otherwise is forcing your biased opinion.
Want to revise your opinion? 
Bolded for fact. At least Lyner seems to get it and agree.
To clear things (from me): we can't prove that someone here is scum for sure. We can attach different levels of scuminess and pray it wasn't caused by their clumsiness (or our bad judgment).
For me lynch worthy ar Rhizo/Finster , then Canik, then Avater - and to make it clear if I see that there are no chances for lynching higher priority targets I'll go for a lower one, so that we are able to lynch anyone from my list today.
Avater is suspicious, but I think there are better targets around. Targeting him is just looking for an excuse not to hit the other guys. Canik is still a very possible target. I was voting to lynch Shah on D2 (as a matter of fact I was the only one left voting for him) and his actions didn't changed my opinion - he didn't do anything to alleviate my suspicion, but also hasn't increased it that much.
As for the Rhizo, true there was nothing solid. Just a set of small things that don't mean much on their own but when joined together they allow to build up a theory. Just like I said:
1. An assumption what KevinH has mentioned is possible (that there are townies mostly fighting together and scum are watching). Just as mentioned, I'm letting myself to have a moment of doubt and think "what if Shah was just a little clumsy tinfoil hat investigator" (I'm not clearing him though and will vote on him it there are no other targets).
2. Rhizo is the one watching - he's not working with the town, he's not discussing any options, asking any questions. Having no role is no excuse - I assure you, there are multiple people here that have shitty roles (like for instance how much does VT differ from KH's 1-shot commuter?). Waiting for someone to throw a solid evidence is also no excuse.
True, there are few others that are not active, but they don't have such activity bursts and don't match my other concerns.
3. Rhizo gets suspicious read from Mandarjins role. Getting "Vanilla" in this setup, when so far every townie has turned out to have a role, is far from proving he's townie - it makes him stand out. He may repeat even 100 times that he's VT, but it proves nothing (though it's possible he's indeed).
4. I don't know if it's his playstyle but he gets nervous when being mentioned. Accusing most of the people and voting on 99,99% confirmed townie is nothing more than sowing confusion. His arguments about Mandarjin make absolutely no sense.
Where is the logic for someone being a scum to take a huge risk by making a role claim and to start building a sophisticated trap (supported with me and Imran, who were asking questions) just to take out VT who's not even active !!? How would even Mandarjin knew Rhizo had no role if he was a scum and not a Role cop?
Can we just actually get to the real reason? You have no solid proof, your reasoning to lynch me could be said the same for multiple people, so really all we have here is you wanting me lynched because you think so, which is fine, but quit trying to spew "evidence," when your evidence to lynch me is nothing concrete and could be said about many.
You say I'm just watching. Yes, I've already stated I've been busy, even back on D2 a few days before deadline I posted that I have been busy but reading and keeping up with things. I at least checked in and tried to let people know. My replies are usually long, in fact pretty much everything I ever post is long, or when I'm involved in talks, I'm very detailed. (Mandarijn and Mod TW could attest to this from many instances outside mafia) For which this takes time for me to write out, and usually it's long because I have to reply to many things over the past few days(like this post), as well as people have pointed out some suspicious behavior that I agree with, but I saw no reason to chime in saying the exact same thing with others were already on it, and me coming out accusing someone or voting someone and then not being able to get on to reply to any replies to my claim and looking like I'm just bandwagonning on someone(people have been accused of bandwagon for less). I've stated my main reason for not posting much, and that is time, my reason for mentioning the whole no role is it's nice to get some information from people who have them since I dont. You claim it's no excuse, just look at King Hitler's....well how much was King Hitler really helping out the town even with his crappy role? He wasn't involved that much prior to being killed, so he had a crappy role, and was doing the same or less then me...so what's you point? I rather have that role and look to find a good way to use it then no role.
I'm glad you at least admit that right after that statement that there are others. Actually there is plenty. Roq, D3mon, Robert, Avatar, Rafay, Kevin (besides lately). You claim I am not working with town on these witch hunts and that's a reason to lynch me, but please tell me where I've done anything less then those just mentioned besides maybe Kevin whose chimed in more near the end? The likes of Avatar was only active when he was being suspected and now suddenly gone away, Lyner and Canik have been because they are possible targets for a lynch as well. Fact is, for the most part, a good portion of the ones active are the ones being looked as to lynch. They don't match your other concerns? What can be your other concerns, as outside of my activity all you have is Mandarijn's information which doesn't say one way or the other, so if that's your real reason, at least admit it so we can know your going off nothing that says one way or the other. Not sure how you want me to "prove" myself, all I can say is what I am....and that may not prove anything, but neither does his Vanilla result prove anything else either. It's hard for you to have concerns about people who don't post, don't vote, or in case of d3mon have a total of 2 postings this whole game.
I don't get nervous, I reply to who calls me out. Again, what others have done that were called out. If you expect me to just sit there and not respond when I have time, well you'll have to get over it or don't, I really don't care either way. If you're going to sit there and come out with reasons to lynch me that could be said for the same for many, I'm going to defend myself on them. And who are these 99.9% confirmed townies. I've called out the likes of you and Imran and Mandarijn. Please tell me where you, or Imran are 99.9% confirmed town? I know you want people to believe that, but you just spitting that out means nothing. If you claim me saying me saying I'm VT proves nothing, well you saying you or the likes of the 3 I have accused or voted for are 99.9% proves the same.
Roq just posted here with the exact thing I've said. He hasn't been posting but been reading...same as I said 3 or 4 days before deadline of D2. Now I give Roq a little leeway due to the fact he's an ambassador from another alliance and doesn't spend as much time here as others, but if you're going to lynch me for reading and not "witchhunting" then you're saying Roq should be lynched now as well. I don't agree with it, nor do I think it's solely a reason to, because I understand people don't always have said time to devote as others, but doesn't mean people aren't keeping up or forming opinions.
To my Mandarijn theory, I've already stepped back from that, as stated in my response above. But to your remark, I never accused Mandarijn of not being a role cop, my theory was that he was possibly a role cop that was scum.
Anyway at this point I'm holding off on my vote. I'm leaning towards the likes of ABT or Imran as they're the two most looking to push a lynch and have seemingly been working together since D2. They've defended one another when they were called out, they use the same reasoning to push the lynch. They both in the last day have called out individuals voting Avatar, and looking to get people to change from that. Both of which have claimed there is good claims to vote Avatar, but trying to push a lynch elsewhere. It's like literally they're the same person typing half the time.
The other option I see look to vote off one that hasn't voted nor posted....the likes of D3mon/Avatar/Robert. D3mon's had 2 post this whole game, Avatar has gone missing, and I believe Robert's posted like once in the last 2 days of this game. Maybe one of the inactive will come up as VT as well and prove there are some. Roq and Yehom has at least posted in the last day, though been relatively quiet otherwise. Or vote Canik, whose been suspicious, but my suspicion is mainly on the basis of the quick 360 from Shah to when Canik started playing. Canik was able to see he had many votes coming his way. Him taking over, he was able to completely go a different route then Shah was and take heat off him mainly because some gave him the benefit of the doubt and believe it was Shah being Shah so to say. It could very well be true, or it could be Canik seeing the writing on the wall and knew he had to basically retract everything Shah said to stay out of the line of fire.
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