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[Finster Baby]

*gasps*

I....tried.......

[iSocialism]

My character name is Dean Thomas

[KevinH]

Eh more like the scum realized KingH will be dead yesterday and shifted off my wagon

FoS iSoc and Mazu

 

That's true for iSocialism, but not for Mazuurek.

Before Mazuurek switched, it was:

Vote Count
 

Lyner (3): iSocialism, KevinH, Mazuurek

King Hitler (2): Lyner, Sister Midnight

Sister Midnight (1): King Hitler

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Finster Baby, Preston, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks

 

 
The final votes were: 

Vote Count
 

King Hitler (5): Lyner, Sister Midnight, Mazuurek, Finster Baby, iSocialism

Lyner (1): KevinH

Sister Midnight (1): King Hitler

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Preston, Wolfpacks

 

 

Mazuurek could have kept his vote on Lyner and possibly saved King Hitler.

iSocialism was just ending the day, and he said as much when he voted.
 
 

[iSocialism]

Like I said I was 50/50 on KH. I felt like he was lying but I didn't know why. His first few days seem pretty good. I wasn't too skeptical of his role claim until Kevin role claim and finding that there were some town roles. Commuter is not a common role for a non power role game, and that what ultimately made me vote for him.

[Preston]

Ouch that we lost our Doctor with Finster - the remaining scum got lucky with that shot. I'd frankly thought they would go after iSocialism for his hammer vote; that they didn't is something I find interesting.

And as for King Hitler: I am immensely gratified to see that he was indeed scum and that his lie was as meaningful as it appeared. It made no sense to me why people weren't giving that more weight, up to and including Kevin's defense of him.

So unless the remaining scum is Mazuurek, SM, or somehow Kevin himself then it means that Kevin has already investigated them - and hence a Godfather is in play. Which would also mean they have no other power beyond appearing innocent to investigations.

I am assuming we have only one scum left to find, as well; if there are actually FIVE scum then it will change how we're looking. Right now I'm not looking for signs/patterns of people covering for someone still alive, because I believe/hope the scum remaining is a singleton... but we'll see.

Wolfpack, I think it's time to roleclaim. Also give us your character name. Most importantly the character name, saying you were already investigate.

I'm pretty sure there's only one scum left, so we definitely have some lynches to spare. But I rather have a game where a whole bunch of townies don't die. Kevin will most likely be the next target. I'm leaning more towards Preston, and I can explain why in a few days.

Dealing with this first: Character names did nothing to convince anyone about King Hitler, and KH was insistent on his name as part of his defense - something to the effect of "Does Ron Weasley sound like a scum name to you?" - so I think SM may be correct that the scum were given a name they can 'safely' claim without the rest of their role. Which means I see this name-only claiming as a bit suspicious.

And per before I am not a fan of vagueness... so instead of explaining whatever has you leaning about me in a few days, can we get it out in the open for discussion now?

Eh more like the scum realized KingH will be dead yesterday and shifted off my wagon

FoS iSoc and Mazu

I was suspicious of how quickly the votes built on Lyner yesterday. And while iSoc hammered KH, the tide was visibly shifting and that may have been a distancing move - so I cannot disagree with Lyner's comment here.

So where does this leave us?
 
iSocialism, Lyner. Preston, and Wolfpacks have all been investigated and found innocent, but there might be a godfather in the mix.
 
Sister Midnight has voted for both Legoboy and King Hitler who were scum.  She's off the list.
 
Mazuurek could easily have been lynched with a scum on the wagon when a townie alternative was there so he's off the list. 
 
Conclusion: there's a godfather in the mix, but who?
 
iSocialism and Lyner both voted for King Hitler who was found to be scum.
However, King Hitler did not vote for Lyner when that was his best chance to save himself, but I'll overlook that because Lyner could have unvoted from King Hitler but didn't.
 
Preston and Wolfpacks didn't vote at all.
 
Wolfpacks defended Ali bin Turban after I named him as scum, but admitted that he just got it wrong.
 
Preston, whom I investigated first and was so sure of towniness, now comes under more scrutiny.  
He didn't vote vote Legoboy or King Hitler.
He didn't pick up on my hints when I called him a Gryffindor Student.
Maybe he's been flying under the radar ...
 
All things considered, I believe the best course of action is:
 
Vote: Wolfpacks

Responding first to the understandable scrutiny: I did not have a vote on record for KH yesterday, but neither did I join the Lyner wagon that was one vote away from completion; if I were scum I could have +1'd that wagon quite easily, with Kevin and Finster also onboard backing the rationale. Instead I continued to maintain that KH's lie was scummy despite Kevin's defense of it as not something scum would do, and gave him one more opportunity clear himself if he was town - trip himself up if he was scum. He obviously proved the latter. So while I don't have a vote for KH yesterday, that is definitely where my focus lay.

So with that out of the way -

Wolfpacks seems to be all over the place with his posts. I'm not sure what to think about that - so Kevin's rationale may be the best we have on him.

Lyner I'm not sure about. Yesterday nearly ended him with a rapid wagon that iSoc started, and King Hitler *could* have hammered it to finished the lynch before conversation and votes for him built too much further - i.e. he posted while Lyner was at 4 votes when a 5th would have done it. Does this mean Lyner is scum that his ally wouldn't hammer, or was King just screwing around at that point - especially since his post at that point was not very serious?

iSocialism is also currently on my radar for a few reasons:
1) Why did the scum target Finster who was merely on the KH wagon, and not iSocialism who hammered it? Either the hammer vote is supposed to mean something, or he was using it to jump on the existing wagon before it ended.
2) iSoc's reference to role name claiming for Wolfpacks, and then proactively offering his own like he wanted to get it out as part of his own innocence. KH banked heavily on his own name too as part of his defense.
3) iSoc's vague reference to something about me he wants to say later in the day... obviously I'll pay attention to it, but I also want to know why he's not just saying it NOW?

With Mazuurek's +1 vote on Wolfpacks, it is not safe to vote there right now because that could end the day immediately if someone hammers it. I am open to that being what we go with today, but right now I am waiting to hear more from iSocialism.

-Preston

[iSocialism]

I don't have to answer to you Preston. You have been quiet in the past. Don't use my talking as an excuse not to talk more. However I'm on my phone and don't care to try to go back and forth trying to quote and reply. I'm meeting said that to get the town to slow down the vote on WP, and not end the day so early. It's not going to be an explanation to you but rather my reason for you to everyone else. Also, I like have you ask why the scum didn't vote for me over FB. Don't you think they would think a hammer vote would look suspicious. FB wasn't investigate yet. Don't you think Kevin investigation would have lead to an helpful Hogwarts if any of the previously people were the doc. FB was targeted because the scum thought he was the doc or a high chance of a power role. Where did I ever say character name would tell us if there scum. Also KH wasn't wasn't Don that was his fake RC name. My character name theory is to see people willingness, and to see if they would lie and get caught by a counter. Either way, I owe you no expectations. You're the one that needs to start talking

[Preston]

I don't have to answer to you Preston. You have been quiet in the past. Don't use my talking as an excuse not to talk more. However I'm on my phone and don't care to try to go back and forth trying to quote and reply. I'm meeting said that to get the town to slow down the vote on WP, and not end the day so early. It's not going to be an explanation to you but rather my reason for you to everyone else. Also, I like have you ask why the scum didn't vote for me over FB. Don't you think they would think a hammer vote would look suspicious. FB wasn't investigate yet. Don't you think Kevin investigation would have lead to an helpful Hogwarts if any of the previously people were the doc. FB was targeted because the scum thought he was the doc or a high chance of a power role. Where did I ever say character name would tell us if there scum. Also KH wasn't wasn't Don that was his fake RC name. My character name theory is to see people willingness, and to see if they would lie and get caught by a counter. Either way, I owe you no expectations. You're the one that needs to start talking

Wow, that's a very defensive reaction to my comments.

No one has to 'answer to' anyone in this thread - but I don't think you do yourself any favors by remaining vague like that. Town typically does better when more information comes out, not less.

If I read what you wrote correctly, the reason you say you're delaying whatever note about me you teased is to delay the wolfpacks wagon... but per yesterday we've seen that anyone can finish the lynch quickly, so I am not sure how effective drawing out that statement will be.

You seem to be linking a "Helpful Hogwarts Staff" finding from Kevin as a power role indication, but that did not apply to Chaplain of Death - for that matter Kevin himself has claimed to be Hermione Granger, which would be a student and not staff. So FB not having been investigated did not make him any more likely to have had a power role. You seem to believe that it did, and that's why he was chosen over you last night. Scum logic is always WIFOM to try and figure out, but Finster was no more or less likely to have a role than anyone left alive.

You are correct that KH was not actually Ron, but he gave that name previously and then asked if it sounded like scum or not as part of his defense - and no one challenged him about it, even though he proved scum in the end. Therefore I think that name-listing is unlikely to produce a name-counter... so at best I find the name claiming a distraction, and at worst a way that scum try to show that they have non-scum names as part of their defense. You may disagree with this assessment, and that's fine. But I find it interesting that you pushed Wolfpacks ( who has a half-majority already ) to post their name, then posted your own first - wouldn't that go against the idea of looking for someone to lie and be caught by a counter? He certainly won't claim the name you've used anymore.

Up to you how to respond from here - but I am still interested in you following through on whatever you'd said you would say in a few days.

-Preston

[Lyner]

I'm on my phone so no quotes for now

@Kevin: The last time you use that argument KingH turned out as scum, so I won't count him out yet

I think we can agree that the remaining number of scum is one, and he is probably a godfather

I guess TW intended for Samus's tracker ability to actually help scum determine which is town power roles

I also don't like iSoc withholding accusation, looks like a scum that's trying to asses town's opinion

Preston, on the other hand, didnt put any vote yesterday, as if he knew I will turn out town, and wouldnt want to vote King either and missed the chance to hammer him

[Sister Midnight]

I'm not sure I understand, Lyner. Are you saying you think Preston was too slow on the uptake and that is suspicious?

I am also concerned with ISoc's mysteriousness. Why not just say what you think? What are you waiting for?

Maz not saying much makes me uncomfortable as well.

[Lyner]

I'm saying that if Preston is scum it makes sense to withhold the vote on my wagon yesterday, and when the wagon started to shift to King(his scum friend), he missed the chance to hammer King to prove that he is town. Similar like what King did on lego, which is pretty succesful until his screw up

A bit leap of logic there, but that's my gut feelings

[KevinH]

The scum are very sly and were willing to have King Hitler vote for their own.  They had me fooled on that.

 

But we can take it a step further ... if they were going to sacrifice Legoboy, why not have multiple scum vote for him?  Sister Midnight's towniness isn't necessarily as strong as I once thought.  Especially when I think back to how Ali was arguing that her hammer vote wasn't important, I think he might have been baiting me to defend her.

 

However, I just can't allow Wolfpacks' attempt at saving Ali bin Turban slide.  I think he's the best candidate.

[Mazuurek]

Maz not saying much makes me uncomfortable as well.

sorry for being asleep when everyone is active, but there isn't much i have to contribute D:

[Sister Midnight]

The scum are very sly and were willing to have King Hitler vote for their own.  They had me fooled on that.
 
But we can take it a step further ... if they were going to sacrifice Legoboy, why not have multiple scum vote for him?  Sister Midnight's towniness isn't necessarily as strong as I once thought.  Especially when I think back to how Ali was arguing that her hammer vote wasn't important, I think he might have been baiting me to defend her.
 
However, I just can't allow Wolfpacks' attempt at saving Ali bin Turban slide.  I think he's the best candidate.

I was the second vote on King h, and I have voted for scum every time. I'm as town as can be without role claiming, and I shouldn't need to do that, since I am obvious town.

At this point I'm eying Preston, wolfy, and ISoc because his logic is confusing and he's dangling things mysteriously.

[Wolfpacks]

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies.

I have been suspicious of ISOCIALISM for a long time, he has been after me a long time and I believe they tried to lynch me a little while ago but the good Doctor saved me, he kinda admitted that when Finster was glad that Wolfpacks was still here, I got the Ali bin Turban totally wrong, which was a bad mistake by me, but one that didn't effect the town, for which I am glad of. I think it's time to end this game and vote for the last scum and godfather

VOTE Isocialism

[iSocialism]

Nope, I only went after you once, and you only got suspicious of me after o voted for you. That's also is youre only suspicion of me. Probably a little jumpy because you went to shift focus from you to me. I can understand, I will always have myself in mind in this game.

[Wolfpacks]

Nope, I only went after you once, and you only got suspicious of me after o voted for you. That's also is youre only suspicion of me. Probably a little jumpy because you went to shift focus from you to me. I can understand, I will always have myself in mind in this game.

no ive had you under the finger of suspicion a few times now, but once you was called for possible Godfather you got rather defensive, i also noted you changed your vote from Lyner to KH, you was pretty certain it was lyner then all of the sudden you went on the KH wagon, using the excuse you wanted to end the day, KH had become irractic and this worried you so you had to take suspicion off yourself, so KH had to go, bam its hammer time, you worked out who the doctor was and had to get rid, i bet it rankles that you have tried twice to get rid of me and it never happened, i obviously made a error in my monologue at the beginning and i think i might have given myself away and you have known who i am from early on, but just like a bad marksman you keep missing the target, maybe the third is the charm.

[iSocialism]

Prove it , all of it. At this point of the game you should be able to. Unless it's all fluff. Such as when the second time I tried to get rid of you? Was my only reason for KH vote to end the day? Lyner isn't cleared yet, so me going after him isn't bad. Also what about the others who voted for that.

[iSocialism]

Here's the thing WP I'm not trying to throw you under the bus. If o wanted you gone I would have agreed on the others and voted for you today. Not ask for some time to make my case "very extremely fluffy vagueness call out of Preston" I'm sorry that my day 2 vote on you has you out to get me. Let it go.

[Wolfpacks]

now this is a side ive not seen before, you seem to be getting a little irritated snap back answers, maybe getting a little hot under the lynching collar, you have gone from defensive to agressive, Lyner has shown no rational to his voting and that when hes voted, preston i think has the same suspicions as me over you, SM, KevinH, was proven town most said it so, which leaves Mazuurek, i did think he was scum but i just think hes playing a boring lurker game and just tagging along with the first voter 

[KevinH]

It's hard for me to be suspicious of those that voted to lynch scum, even though King Hitler did it.

 

Wolfpacks and Preston did not vote for Legoboy or King Hitler.  By votes alone, they deserve lynch consideration.