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[Wolfpacks]

Here's the thing WP I'm not trying to throw you under the bus. If o wanted you gone I would have agreed on the others and voted for you today. Not ask for some time to make my case "very extremely fluffy vagueness call out of Preston" I'm sorry that my day 2 vote on you has you out to get me. Let it go.

as explained on day 2 i wasnt aware on how to play the game, i changed a lot on day 2-3, but it seems you cant get over what you called fluffiness and thats the last defence you have left and your now using it to save your own ass, of course your trying to throw me under the bus as ive seen through you and i have now become your biggest threat for your mafia losing this.  

[Mazuurek]

which leaves Mazuurek, i did think he was scum but i just think hes playing a boring lurker game and just tagging along with the first voter

kinda wish i could do more than lurk to be honest.

[Wolfpacks]

i didnt have time to vote on the last day because Isocialism hit the nail on the head with his hammer vote.

[Sister Midnight]

It's hard for me to be suspicious of those that voted to lynch scum, even though King Hitler did it.

 

Wolfpacks and Preston did not vote for Legoboy or King Hitler.  By votes alone, they deserve lynch consideration.

And that is why I'm fingering them.  But again, I don't like ISoc's vague and confusing statements, so I have to finger him, too.  ISoc, please explain what you want to explain.

[iSocialism]

Wait a day you impatient "bad word" it's what I said before. Give me time to voice my opinion and don't end early. I don't want to attempt to go back and fourth through post to show you what I see. After that you vote for whoever. Or is that too much to ask for?

[Wolfpacks]

i have answered both the times i didnt vote, but this is just a smokescreen for the scum/Godfather to lynch another townie,  yes you can vote lynch me but you will be very dissapointed, but then you will know who the real scum is, Isocialism is your next target if im lynched because that is the natural order of things

 

for neither can live while the other survives

[Sister Midnight]

Wait a day you impatient "bad word" it's what I said before. Give me time to voice my opinion and don't end early. I don't want to attempt to go back and fourth through post to show you what I see. After that you vote for whoever. Or is that too much to ask for?

It is way to much to ask if you call me a "bad word," Bucko.  I will poke you in the eye with one of body parts if you aren't careful.

[Wolfpacks]

Wait a day you impatient "bad word" it's what I said before. Give me time to voice my opinion and don't end early. I don't want to attempt to go back and fourth through post to show you what I see. After that you vote for whoever. Or is that too much to ask for?

Smoke and mirrors, time isnt something you have a lot of, come clean dont hide the truth

[Preston]

Kevin reiterates that by votes alone, Wolfpacks and I were not on the Legoboy or King Hitler wagon. This is factually true, however I will similarly reiterate that I have focused heavily on King Hitler for several days now, in spite of doubts about his claim. I don't want that context to be lost.

So Kevin's post then points at Wolfpacks by votes alone, in addition to his recanted defense of Ali that Kevin mentioned earlier. It's a statistical approach, again.

Beyond that... we've got a lot of back-and-forth between iSocialism and Wolfpacks, getting fairly heated on iSoc's side. He's asking for time to voice his opinion... I don't see anything stopping him from doing it now? I thought it curious when he responded so forcefully to when I mentioned him, Lyner and Wolfpacks all at once, but it seems to have kept going throughout the day.

To make my current thought process clear: Wolfpacks by votes bears attention, and for his disagreement about Ali a while back. However by current reactions I am more suspicious of iSocialism, and will likely remain so until he brings out whatever he has to say that he keeps teasing us with.

I also want to comment/confirm something - we have 7 people remaining today, 4 people to lynch. If we mis-lynch today and scum gets their kill tonight, we'll be down to 5 people - and only 3 people will be needed to lynch. Assuming one scum remains, that will mean that any TWO votes on the wrong person could let the scum hammer it. So 1) we dont have many mistakes left, and 2) if we get to tomorrow and I'm dead and cant remind you, remember to NOT double up on votes quickly - I'm talking particularly to you Mazuurek, give it time first.

I will post tomorrow afternoon; gotta get to sleep early tonight for a big presentation in the morning.

-Preston

[KevinH]

I'm worried about what people are doing to fool me.

Scum are willing to sacrifice their own, so perceived long-term pressure on a scum might be part of the whole ruse.

 

My investigations seem worthless since everyone seems cleared.  If I live long enough, I'll check Mazuurek and Sister Midnight just to be sure.

 

Of course, the fact that I'm alive might mean that the remaining scum is not afraid of being investigated.

[Sister Midnight]

 Of course, the fact that I'm alive might mean that the remaining scum is not afraid of being investigated.

Or they knew the doc was protecting you and went doc hunting.

I find it weird that King h pretty much announced he was scum. Why do that?
And if he did that, then scum probably voted for him early.

[Lyner]

Scum not targetting Kevin means that they have godfather or that they're certain Finster got some power role. This doesn't mean Kevin won't be targetted anymore, though. If Mazu or SM is our last scum and Kevin got killed tonight, the next few days we will see the confirmed towns killing each other to find the godfather. Something to keep in mind.

 

Let's see if I can get anything from the vote records.

 

And it seems like Wolfpack is dropping his character lore. At this point he should just role claim IMO

[Wolfpacks]

After you squire, tbh I don't think I could have made it clearer if I tried, I notice Isocalism has be quiet since our earlier confrontation, is that guilt or just nothing to say at this time

[Preston]

I'm worried about what people are doing to fool me.

Scum are willing to sacrifice their own, so perceived long-term pressure on a scum might be part of the whole ruse.
 
My investigations seem worthless since everyone seems cleared.  If I live long enough, I'll check Mazuurek and Sister Midnight just to be sure.
 
Of course, the fact that I'm alive might mean that the remaining scum is not afraid of being investigated.

Checking Mazuurek at minimum still has value. The only thing clearing him on your list is a line of reasoning about how he COULD have been lynched at one point, and something more solid would be preferable so that his +1'ing can be confirmed town.

As for your statement about 'perceived long-term pressure on a scum'... it feels like that is in response to my prior post. If you doubt even that then I am not sure what can convince you - but at the same time if you take as premise that scum are willing to vote for their own, then you might as well scrap the idea of clearing those who have voted for scum. You can take paranoia and assumption of their planning too far.

And as for Kevin still being alive, which Lyner also comments on: last night the town's protective role was still in play - the scum had not yet found what prevented their kill on night 3. We don't know if they had knowledge to select Finster or if they just got lucky, but as SM states it would have been a valid assumption to predict that Kevin would be protected.

With that said, he MIGHT be the target tonight - or he might not. If he is targeted it would cast suspicion on the remaining un-investigated members tonight. If he is NOT targeted... what then? No more town roles or clearly pro-town are evident as obvious targets.

After you squire, tbh I don't think I could have made it clearer if I tried, I notice Isocalism has be quiet since our earlier confrontation, is that guilt or just nothing to say at this time

As for this... maybe iSocialism is still preparing whatever his revelation will be, but he HAS stopped responding when he was going pretty fast and furious with it earlier. He's committed to saying SOMETHING, and whatever it is will be interesting to see.

-Preston

[Sister Midnight]

Preston, how come you never voted for scum?

[Preston]

Preston, how come you never voted for scum?

Briefly before I go to bed:

I *was* on the Ali wagon, and did vote for scum then. So "Never" is inaccurate. I think you are responding to Kevin's statement that Wolfpacks and I did not vote for Lego or KH, so I'll speak to that.

Lego's wagon shift happened rapidly at the end of Day 2 - the whole wagon built from nothing between the post I had that night and the time I got back to the thread. I got in a brief post before the thread locked, and was at the time suspicious of how that wagon built so fast. Up until that point the debate had been over Rafay vs Mazuurek as inactives. Lego proved scum, so I didn't view the wagon with suspicion on the following day - had it lynched a townie I'd have been paying attention to who made it build that fast.

With King Hitler, I was pointedly pushing for him to not be forgotten in spite of Kevin's repeated statements that he did not think it was how a scum would respond. I pushed KH for more info to satisfy those on the fence, and then the wagon got hammered to end the day - but there should be no mistaking that I was pushing for KH as that day's lynch candidate over Lyner.

-Preston

[KevinH]

The votes on Ali can't count for much because he had been outed by me, the cop.

To give full disclosure, I didn't vote for Legoboy or King Hitler, either. At the time, I thought there were better candidates.

[Lyner]

So, to recap:

-Day 1: Ended with a no lynch, nothing to see here IMO. CoD killed at night.

-Day 2: Lots of shuffles and ultimately ended on killing the first scum, Lego. Rhizo got killed at night.

-Day 3: Lynch the lurkers(Rafay vs Mazu) that ended up killing Rafay, Nobody died at night.

-Day 4: AbT revealed as scum, easy day for town. Samus killed at night.

-Day 5: Started with a wagon on me while I was busy, ended on killing the 3rd scum, KingH. Finster died at night.

 

AbT and KingH have never been in the same wagon. In addition, they've always been in the leading wagons. Nothing to make of this besides that they're planning this pretty nicely. I think TW used the last setup where scums have day talk.

 

I think we should focus on day 2 and day 5 since it's where scums didn't have an obvious target.

 

Day 2:

The day started with Lego and King voting for Samus and SM, respectively. King unvoted a little later. AbT would later voted for Wolfpack. Scums are active. This is the first major result:

Wolfpacks (3): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban, Finster Baby

Samus (2): legoboyvdlp, Preston

Finster Baby (1): Wolfpacks

King then voted Rafay and everyone starts jumping in, which resulted in these, once again each scums are on different wagons:

Samus (4): legoboyvdlp, Preston, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

Rafay (4): King Hitler, Finster Baby, KevinH, Lyner

Wolfpacks (2): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban

SM later jumped out to Rafay wagon and Finster unvoted which made Rafay wagon higher than Samus, at this position scums should've felt comfortable and would let things end (only 4 votes needed to kill someone).

 

Near the end of the day, however, Samus woke up and start a quick wagon on Lego, followed by Finster. Interestingly, KingH also voted on Lego. This probably means that he either thought that Lego wagon won't get bigger or that he was ready to sacrifice Lego(highly unlikely on first day IMO). In response, Preston and Lego voted Wolfpack which resulted on this:

legoboyvdlp (5): Samus, Finster Baby, King Hitler, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight

Wolfpacks (4): iSocialism, Ali bin Turban, Preston, legoboyvdlp

Rafay (2): KevinH, Lyner

KevinH (1): Wolfpacks

Seeing it like that, I think there are some possible reasons that KingH stayed on Lego wagon:

-There are already scums on Wolfpack wagon and he didn't want to risk another vote to it. SM got townie points on this case for putting the lock on Lego's fate, and Preston got baddie points for trying to save Lego.

-Wolfpack is also one of the scum so it didn't matter who got killed. SM got baddie points in this case.

The former is more likely IMO.

 

On to the Day 5:

Started with KingH voting for himself. Wolfpack is revealed to be town by Kevin. iSoc then promptly started a wagon on me, followed by others which resulted to this:

Lyner (4): iSocialism, KevinH, Finster Baby, Mazuurek

King Hitler (1): King Hitler

Now this is very bizarre, with how nobody seemed to mind KingH's vote on himself and his post. Luckily town comes to sense and started to shift votes on King. iSoc promptly ended the day as the last voter.

King Hitler (5): Lyner, Sister Midnight, Mazuurek, Finster Baby, iSocialism

Lyner (1): KevinH

Sister Midnight (1): King Hitler

Now, the only obvious explanation I can think of is that KingH expected to be investigated by Kevin and revealed as scum, so he kind of gave up? If that is the case it should be better if his scum mates to pile on him properly though. After that Kevin announced that the one he targetted last night was Wolfpack, and he insisted that Wolf may be a godfather.

 

iSoc then voted me, followed by Kevin the cop and others. Perhaps at this time scums thought that there is a hope KingH might survive? Anyway in the end we got King killed and revealed as scum, and in this case SM got townie points for starting the shift off me, and very baddie points for iSoc for starting wagon on me plus hammering the wagon.

 

 

 

Conclusion? SM is town and the rests are possible scums

 

I feel really bad vibes on yesterday's action by iSoc tho, maybe because I'm biased as his victim. Let's see what explanation he has to offer.

 

 

[iSocialism]

http://ironcentral.org/community/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=user_activity&mid=100&search_app=forums&userMode=content&sid=5473c03f89c809edba5fab33f5ffbe8c&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&search_app_filters[forums][sortKey]=date

 

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/?p=867430

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-19#entry867433

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-19#entry867434

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-20#entry867653

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-24#entry868567

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-26#entry869124

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-15#entry866805

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-11#entry866112

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-13#entry866288

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-13#entry866356

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57401-tw-02-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone-day-6/page-15#entry866805

 

The links to the post are the ones i found fishy.

 

This is also while i choose not do this a few day back on my phone. Also it's a cheap shot to call BS and someone scummy because they come out and want the town to wait on the voting so they can have a say before someone is lynched. Think about that <--- one scum left, someone is a shoeing to be lynch and then the scum would come out and say stop?????? It would have been alright if you call me out after the two days such as today or late yesterday.

 

The thing I found troubling out Preston is his no so actively scum hunting. He would subtleness is the first thing I noticed. Very recently he has been throwing doubts out about a GF role and how me and WP can't be trusted. He still though keep himself away from this theory. When he talks about AbT or KH he would group them with other people and talk about then quickly brush it off. 

 

Yes, hunting for scum is a good thing voting for a scum is a good thing. Calling BS on someone who is them proven scum is a good thing.

 

However, IMO, Preston only tries to discredit people. Early in the game he was heavly on Kevin, FB, and WP case. While he showed little interest in AbT or only jumped on KH when he made a mistake. His voting pattern is no better than mine, but I think I still tried to scum hunt. He let the other people do the voting.

 

This is all my opinion, and not as much as was going to say. Cause in the end you all need to get your own opinion and not wait for mine to base your off of. I would strongly recommended to reread post done by people see how they interacted or didn't interact with other players. Please reread all of Preston post, and at least I linked.

Preston the rebuttal is yours, I wait for my vote until then.

 

Also Lyner, great analyses there

[Wolfpacks]

Yes lyner it is a good analyses but I'm also liking what Isoc put, it's still not enough to change my vote, but it has put a doubt in my mind,

[quote]
So in my humble opinion I personally find people who talk more have more to hide then people that talk less, they make big speeches to direct people into going the way they want to lead, by just watching you see who is more experienced players are . There are a couple who I actually think are scum but for now I'm quite happy with my vote and it has nothing to do with sour grapes [/qoute]

my quote and I still stand by it

FOS Preston