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[The Warrior]

"Yes -- of course -- but there's no wood!" Hermione cried, wringing her hands.
"HAVE YOU GONE MAD?" Ron bellowed. "ARE YOU A WITCH OR NOT?"
"Oh, right!" said Hermione.
 

 

Vote Count

 

Wolfpacks (2): KevinH, Mazuurek

iSocialism (1): Wolfpacks

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: iSocialism, Lyner, Preston, Sister Midnight

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:30pm CST on Monday, August 1st.

[Preston]

Sorry in advance, this one is going to be a bit long - but you won't have to click through links to see what I'm referring to.

So when iSocialism led with this:

I'm leaning more towards Preston, and I can explain why in a few days.

I was expecting something more coherent than a laundry list of my posts with no specific lines or points called out in them, just labelling the entire mass 'suspicious'. If you had a clear reason to suspect me you could have summarized it when you made the original post - but with the delay and now this, I am more inclined to see it as your needing the time to try and find something to back up what you'd originally said.

This is also while i choose not do this a few day back on my phone. Also it's a cheap shot to call BS and someone scummy because they come out and want the town to wait on the voting so they can have a say before someone is lynched. Think about that <--- one scum left, someone is a shoeing to be lynch and then the scum would come out and say stop?????? It would have been alright if you call me out after the two days such as today or late yesterday.

Even if it's slow, you could have typed everything but the list of links on your phone. What I focused on you for was setting up "I'm going to have something to say!" and then not saying it - either you already had the idea in your head at the start, or you didn't.

The thing I found troubling out Preston is his no so actively scum hunting. He would subtleness is the first thing I noticed.

How is the following not scum hunting, or indeed subtle at all?

First and foremost, I am removing my FoS on Finster and moving instead to a HARD FoS on King Hitler. And not just for what Finster quoted above:

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I believe Finster is correct on that, and to double down on it:

First, my role claim that Samus requested. Ron Weasley, 1 shot commuter. May be why the results were different, ...

1-shot commuter... and claims that it might be why Samus's role was different. If you didnt use your role, it should not have done anything to affect Samus on Night 2. But then you claim you tried to commute on Night 3? How many shots again? I think we may have found our second scum right here. And the fact that Finster pointed out what he did, along with Samus's result on Night 3, exonerates Finster in my eyes.

Because I don't want the Ali wagon to immediately reach its end and kill the day (and because I still want to be skeptical of Kevin's roleclaim due to how 'too good to be true' it seems), I'm casting my vote for King Hitler:

Vote: King Hitler

King Hitler - per lying/contradiction, suspected to be scum
Finster Baby - Strongly felt to be town
KevinH - Apparently proven town sane cop. With Ali's flip he definitely started a wagon on a proven scum.
Preston - Me, Town (Why would I say otherwise?). Also investigated as town by Kevin
iSocialism - Kevin investigated as Town. Otherwise uncertain about them.
Lyner - Uncertain
Wolfpacks - Kevin investigated as Town, but argumentative and
Sister Midnight - Seems pro town, if new.
Mazuurek - Short posts and lurking, not taking seriously?

Of that list, I'd push for King Hitler today and then... well it'll depend on what happens tonight I guess. We can expect Kevin will get at least one more investigation out so long as his protection holds. We still might have to worry about there being a Godfather in play... wouldn't it be crazy if KH was that?

I looked for signs of contradiction in someone, and it proved them to be scum. I broke down who remained into my theories about scum and town, and looked for who we should examine next. That *is* scum hunting. So I don't know where you are pulling out that I am somehow being subtle about it.

Very recently he has been throwing doubts out about a GF role and how me and WP can't be trusted. He still though keep himself away from this theory. When he talks about AbT or KH he would group them with other people and talk about then quickly brush it off.

How am I saying we dont have a godfather role in play? It's provably *possible* that we do not - there are people yet uninvestigated by Kevin, and it's worth covering all cases - but that does not mean a godfather isn't present. You're stretching to find some fault with me here.

As for me keeping myself away from the theory of a godfather - no, I have very explicitly pointed out that 1) a godfather could be present and 2) that it could technically be me as well.

3c) Also want to point out that if we have a Mafia Godfather in play, iSoc could still be scum by passing this claimed investigation. Technically so could I, though obviously I say that I am not.

I will also point out that my post is the first one in the thread to explicitly mention a godfather from Kevin's findings aside from people quoting TW's role listings. If I were a godfather, it would make so much more sense to just not bring it up.

Yes, hunting for scum is a good thing voting for a scum is a good thing. Calling BS on someone who is them proven scum is a good thing.
 
However, IMO, Preston only tries to discredit people. Early in the game he was heavly on Kevin, FB, and WP case. While he showed little interest in AbT or only jumped on KH when he made a mistake. His voting pattern is no better than mine, but I think I still tried to scum hunt. He let the other people do the voting.

 
I hunted scum and called BS on KH, who was proven scum. Good things then?

The only thing you get right in your spiel is that early in the game I *was* heavily suspicious of Kevin and Finster. Finster jumped votes all over the place and suggested a roleclaim on day 2, and Kevin's posting style seemed utterly statistical- going after inactivity and post counts, such that if he lynched town he could point to his numbers and not claim any responsibility. That style did not sit well with me, and so Kevin's initial roleclaim as a cop was not fully trusted. However I voted for AbT as part of testing KevinH's claim, which is far from letting others simply do the voting for me. In my quote above you can see where I removed my FoS on Finster, and while I remained suspicious of Kevin for longer at this point we are all mostly trusting his input.

This is all my opinion, and not as much as was going to say. Cause in the end you all need to get your own opinion and not wait for mine to base your off of. I would strongly recommended to reread post done by people see how they interacted or didn't interact with other players. Please reread all of Preston post, and at least I linked.
Preston the rebuttal is yours, I wait for my vote until then.

So here is your rebuttal.

Everything in this game and thread is opinion - however you built up the reveal of your opinion about me specifically with your earlier announcement, and everything in it except my early game suspicion of Kevin and Finster has been wrong. Simply saying you think I am suspicious and giving people a laundry list of my posts to draw their own conclusions isn't anything coherent worth teasing a multi-day wait over... which makes this look like little more than an attempt to divert attention onto me and away from yourself. Take a look at my original post that you responded so strongly to:

So unless the remaining scum is Mazuurek, SM, or somehow Kevin himself then it means that Kevin has already investigated them - and hence a Godfather is in play. Which would also mean they have no other power beyond appearing innocent to investigations.

...

Wolfpacks seems to be all over the place with his posts. I'm not sure what to think about that - so Kevin's rationale may be the best we have on him.

Lyner I'm not sure about. Yesterday nearly ended him with a rapid wagon that iSoc started, and King Hitler *could* have hammered it to finished the lynch before conversation and votes for him built too much further - i.e. he posted while Lyner was at 4 votes when a 5th would have done it. Does this mean Lyner is scum that his ally wouldn't hammer, or was King just screwing around at that point - especially since his post at that point was not very serious?

iSocialism is also currently on my radar for a few reasons:
1) Why did the scum target Finster who was merely on the KH wagon, and not iSocialism who hammered it? Either the hammer vote is supposed to mean something, or he was using it to jump on the existing wagon before it ended.
2) iSoc's reference to role name claiming for Wolfpacks, and then proactively offering his own like he wanted to get it out as part of his own innocence. KH banked heavily on his own name too as part of his defense.
3) iSoc's vague reference to something about me he wants to say later in the day... obviously I'll pay attention to it, but I also want to know why he's not just saying it NOW?

With Mazuurek's +1 vote on Wolfpacks, it is not safe to vote there right now because that could end the day immediately if someone hammers it. I am open to that being what we go with today, but right now I am waiting to hear more from iSocialism.

I did not single out iSocialism alone, I continued scum hunting by looking at remaining candidates on my short list. The only thing I said for waiting on you was in response to your "wait a few days" statement. And in response to that, you jumped immediately to "I don't have to answer to you Preston"... what? That's incredibly defensive on your part, as I commented:
 

I don't have to answer to you Preston. You have been quiet in the past. Don't use my talking as an excuse not to talk more. However I'm on my phone and don't care to try to go back and forth trying to quote and reply. I'm meeting said that to get the town to slow down the vote on WP, and not end the day so early. It's not going to be an explanation to you but rather my reason for you to everyone else. Also, I like have you ask why the scum didn't vote for me over FB. Don't you think they would think a hammer vote would look suspicious. FB wasn't investigate yet. Don't you think Kevin investigation would have lead to an helpful Hogwarts if any of the previously people were the doc. FB was targeted because the scum thought he was the doc or a high chance of a power role. Where did I ever say character name would tell us if there scum. Also KH wasn't wasn't Don that was his fake RC name. My character name theory is to see people willingness, and to see if they would lie and get caught by a counter. Either way, I owe you no expectations. You're the one that needs to start talking

Wow, that's a very defensive reaction to my comments.

No one has to 'answer to' anyone in this thread - but I don't think you do yourself any favors by remaining vague like that. Town typically does better when more information comes out, not less.

If I read what you wrote correctly, the reason you say you're delaying whatever note about me you teased is to delay the wolfpacks wagon... but per yesterday we've seen that anyone can finish the lynch quickly, so I am not sure how effective drawing out that statement will be.

You seem to be linking a "Helpful Hogwarts Staff" finding from Kevin as a power role indication, but that did not apply to Chaplain of Death - for that matter Kevin himself has claimed to be Hermione Granger, which would be a student and not staff. So FB not having been investigated did not make him any more likely to have had a power role. You seem to believe that it did, and that's why he was chosen over you last night. Scum logic is always WIFOM to try and figure out, but Finster was no more or less likely to have a role than anyone left alive.

You are correct that KH was not actually Ron, but he gave that name previously and then asked if it sounded like scum or not as part of his defense - and no one challenged him about it, even though he proved scum in the end. Therefore I think that name-listing is unlikely to produce a name-counter... so at best I find the name claiming a distraction, and at worst a way that scum try to show that they have non-scum names as part of their defense. You may disagree with this assessment, and that's fine. But I find it interesting that you pushed Wolfpacks ( who has a half-majority already ) to post their name, then posted your own first - wouldn't that go against the idea of looking for someone to lie and be caught by a counter? He certainly won't claim the name you've used anymore.

Up to you how to respond from here - but I am still interested in you following through on whatever you'd said you would say in a few days.

 
These two posts also contain my reasons for watching iSocialism as a candidate... and he has not done any favors for himself being this defensive in the meantime, snapping back and forth with people and capping it off with this post that is a laundry list of links and mostly false statements.

As much as Kevin seems to want to suggest Wolfpacks, I am now heavily leaning toward iSocialism. And because you say I let others do the voting for me...

Vote: iSocialism

Most notable reasons include his pressure for name-claiming as a way to catch scum (that he then defeats by posting his own name first), his defensiveness so far during the day, and the fact that scum did not target him despite his hammer on the KH wagon. None of these are conclusive, all opinion - but it currently makes iSoc the most scummy alive as I see it.

-Preston

[Sister Midnight]

Well Preston sure brought that home on ISoc, using pure logic and facts. ISoc's logic is lost on me and I'm learning that when someone uses a lot of words, but doesn't say anything of substance they usually turn up as scum. I'm also very turned off by a post full of links without a lot of meaning. I see ISoc is also here and I'd like to see what he says before voting.

[iSocialism]

Finally got Preston to talk. Took some dragging of my feet. So the reason to vote from me is I wasn't target by scum, and I wanted a name claim. Also, instead of putting a vote on WP I ask for some time. Must be my inexperience showing to not let the town take out WP and draw attention to myself. Instead I got someone who is an experience mafia player to start talking more and start coming after me. I also did this being really aggressive which is a scum tell sign. Such in point Lego, AbT, and KH did the exact same thing.

Look the town believes in a GF role. A scum would not hit a person on that list if a godfather role exist. So scum hitting someone outside that list would make sense for survival. The night in which there was no kills also showed that there was a protective role. Unless Kevin hid that and didn't tell us that he found who it was only only left them as town that would assume that the protective role was out side the list. FB had heavy town points probably the 2ND most looking town player right behind kevin. Other town players tend to like and follow highly town players. Also don't say look he show us FB was a good target he most be scum , because that's trash. Also you only gave a list after Kevin had already exposed four players and two scums were dead. It would be easy to make a list after majority of the players have been shown. As to my name claim if it won't find scum, and doesn't do anything. Why not tell is your name?
Vote Preston

[Preston]

Finally got Preston to talk. Took some dragging of my feet. So the reason to vote from me is I wasn't target by scum, and I wanted a name claim. Also, instead of putting a vote on WP I ask for some time. Must be my inexperience showing to not let the town take out WP and draw attention to myself. Instead I got someone who is an experience mafia player to start talking more and start coming after me. I also did this being really aggressive which is a scum tell sign. Such in point Lego, AbT, and KH did the exact same thing.

Look the town believes in a GF role. A scum would not hit a person on that list if a godfather role exist. So scum hitting someone outside that list would make sense for survival. The night in which there was no kills also showed that there was a protective role. Unless Kevin hid that and didn't tell us that he found who it was only only left them as town that would assume that the protective role was out side the list. FB had heavy town points probably the 2ND most looking town player right behind kevin. Other town players tend to like and follow highly town players. Also don't say look he show us FB was a good target he most be scum , because that's trash. Also you only gave a list after Kevin had already exposed four players and two scums were dead. It would be easy to make a list after majority of the players have been shown. As to my name claim if it won't find scum, and doesn't do anything. Why not tell is your name?
Vote Preston

In terms of 'finally getting me to talk', my reasons for being interested in you were already previously stated in the posts I quoted - you either ignored it or glossed over it when it was said the first time. What is different now is that your defensive reaction has taken what was speculation about you and drawn more attention to it.

When you post something like this:

Prove it , all of it. At this point of the game you should be able to. Unless it's all fluff. Such as when the second time I tried to get rid of you? Was my only reason for KH vote to end the day? Lyner isn't cleared yet, so me going after him isn't bad. Also what about the others who voted for that.

It frankly sounds desperate, challenging the person to "prove it" like that - and yes, it's Wolfpacks you were talking to.

Your second paragraph is a little difficult to parse, but it sounds like you are providing a scenario where it made sense for scum to target Finster instead of you - the idea that because we are currently looking for a Godfather, it would make sense for them to kill someone Kevin had not already cleared... because they are not yet on the list of the cleared-but-possibly-godfather. Unlike your previous post I can understand this concept as a valid possibility, though I do not agree with it - if anything the pool of uninvestigated people is the group that would have to be all cop-investigated or all killed before we can KNOW a godfather is in play, such that there is no uncertainty about the need to lynch someone Kevin had seen as town. So I think it would have made sense for scum to prolong that uncertainty for as long as possible by not killing off the uninvestigated - at least as I see it.

And I don't think you're correctly understanding my interest in your focus on name claiming:
1. One of the confirmed scum, King Hitler, actively used his name as a defense. Paying specific attention to names like that therefore takes on a scummy slant to me, especially with SM's stating that in a prior game she was given a safe-to-claim role name. You pre-emptively dropped your name to justify yourself in a similar manner that King Hitler did.
2. You stated that the point of name claiming was to get scum to trip themselves up, and so you challenged Wolfpacks to reveal his name. But then you defeated your own purpose by naming yourself first, making the job easier for scum to not use your name. Which I take to mean that your name claim wasn't meant to accomplish anything in the first place, other than getting your own name out as a defense of yourself.
3. Possibly relevant, possibly not - but the character name you claimed, Dean Thomas, is a non-main-character name that TW listed in his flavor text already. If SM is wrong about scum not having a 'safe claim' name in this game, then drawing a name from TW's flavor is another source of canon names.

I'm not surprised by your counter-vote on me, but at this point you've drawn a lot of attention to yourself. Lyner and Wolfpacks remain other possibilities, but stretching like you did in your linkspam post has me feeling you're the scummiest of the lot right now. Unless someone can demonstrate a better rationale for Wolfpacks or Lyner, I'm going to keep my vote where it is.

-Preston

[Mazuurek]

UNVOTE: Wolfpacks

VOTE: iSocialism

[Sister Midnight]

VOTE: iSocialism

[iSocialism]

What's your name claim Preston? Stop dragging your feet. Also why haven't you been targeted by the scum? My vote also isn't a counter. You knew it was coming.
I see you also like to answer to some of my stuff.
I also hope you other town know what to do after myself and Kevin are gone tomorrow, and Preston will only help pin another person.

[Wolfpacks]

Unvote isocialism,

I'm not convinced and Preston does seem to be pushing aside the likliness that he could be also the godfather by pushing it onto myself or or lynar

[Wolfpacks]

BTW I'd like to hear what Kevin has to say on this matter before I make my ultimate decision

[KevinH]

I love this game.

 

My thoughts?

Lyner made great analysis and came up with the best conclusion: it could be anyone.

 

I still find Wolfpacks the most suspicious due to his attempted defense of Ali.

[The Warrior]

The 4th vote landed on iSocialism before Wolfpacks unvoted indicating a majority lynch.

 

Vote Count

 

iSocialism (4): Wolfpacks, Preston, Mazuurek, Sister Midnight

Preston (1): iSocialism

Wolfpacks (1): KevinH

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Lyner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch or 2 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:30pm CST on Monday, August 1st.

[The Warrior]

They did not have time to stop and help Professor McGonagall unfortunately. Snape had clearly already been there and could be closing in on the stone. Hermione stepped up to the door of Fluffy's Chamber and pointed her wand at the lock. "Alohomora" she muttered and the lock clicked. The three of them cautiously opened the door and peered inside. A soft, soothing music met their ears as they slowly pulled the door open and stepped in. Instead of being greeted by the terrifying growl of Fluffy, the only sound other than music that they could hear sounded like snoring. Fluffy lay on the ground resting his three heads on the floor - asleep.

 

Harry, Ron, and Hermione quickly made their way over to the trap door and gently pushed one of Fluffy's massive paws aside. They opened the trap door and could see nothing but darkness. "What do we do now?" Ron asked. "I guess we just have to jump." Harry replied. They were too busy contemplating what to do that none of them noticed the sound around them. There wasn't any. No music. No snoring. It wasn't until a giant drop of drool had splashed onto the floor next to them that they looked up from the darkness beyond the trapdoor into the three twisted faces of Fluffy. Without a second thought, they all jumped through the trapdoor and fell into the darkness.

 

-Meanwhile-

 

Dean Thomas woke up from his peaceful sleep and looked around at the other four-posters in the dormitory. His best friend, Seamus Finnigan's bed still lay vacant while Seamus was in the Hospital Wing. Harry's, Ron's, and Neville's beds were also vacant. Dean looked at his watch and saw how late it was. It was odd that no one else was around. Dean climbed out of bed and pulled on his robes and descended the spiral staircase to the Common Room.

 

The Common Room was completely dark. The remaining embers in the fireplace had finally gone out. Dean slowly made his way towards the armchairs by the fireplace to see if his dormitory mates had perhaps fallen asleep while doing homework. His right foot hit something solid on the floor (Neville) and Dean tripped, hitting his head hard on the floor.

 

iSocialism (Dean Thomas) a normal Gryffindor student has been knocked out on day six.

 

 

Vote Count

iSocialism (4): Wolfpacks, Preston, Mazuurek, Sister Midnight

 

It is now night 6. Please send me any night actions by 12:00pm on Sunday, July 31st.

[The Warrior]

After falling through the darkness, something soft broke their fall. "Lumos" they all muttered and a beam of light poured out of the tip of each of their wands illuminating the chamber and the giant plant they had landed on. "Lucky this plant thing was here." Ron said. It was as if Ron had spoken too soon. Vines had curled themselves around each of them and had bound their legs together. They struggled to free themselves from the plant's grip but the more they fought the faster the vines encased them. As Ron and Harry continued to try and loosen the vines wrapped around their legs, Hermione had seemingly given up and the plant pulled her out of sight. 

 

"Hermione!" Ron and Harry shouted.

 

"Stop struggling." Hermione's voice called back. "Hermione, where are you?" Harry called. "Just do as I say. Trust me." She responded. "This is Devil's Snare." Harry stopped struggling and the plant pulled him under. Harry fell to the hard floor below the plant with a thud. Ron had refused to give up his fight however as the plant continued to constrict around him.

 

"What was it that Professor Sprout said about Devil's Snare." Hermione wondered aloud. "Devil's Snare, Devil's Snare, is deadly fun.. but it'll sulk in the sun!" She exclaimed. "Devil's Snare hates sunlight!" Hermione withdrew her want once again and shouted "Incendio!" Flames erupted from her want and the Devil's Snare recoiled and loosened it's grip on Ron as he fell through the plant and landed on the floor next to them. They helped Ron up off of the chamber floor and hurried down a hallway to a large wooden door. They opened it and stepped inside.

 

This chamber was a tall, circular room. Birds fluttered about near the ceiling. A broomstick hung waist high in the air in the center of the room as if it had been frozen and a second large wooden door stood on the far wall. They crossed the room to the door but it was locked. "Now what?" Ron asked.

 

Harry looked around the chamber. His gaze was drawn to the birds fluttering above. "Those aren't birds." He said. "They're keys. Based off of the lock I'd say that we're looking for a large, ornate key." Hermione spotted it near the ceiling. It had a partially bent wing, likely from when Snape had captured it. Harry ran over to the broom in the center of the room and mounted it. He kicked off from the ground and soared to the top of the chamber to chase after the key. After a brief chase he snagged the key and dove back to the floor. They unlocked the door and ran into the next room.

 

A giant troll lay motionless on the floor of the next chamber and the door on the other end stood ajar. They quickly ran past the troll, across the room, and through the next door.

 

Torches around the chamber walls ignited revealing what appeared to be an underground stone graveyard. "It's a chessboard!" Ron said. "What do we do?" Hermione asked. "It's obvious, isn't it?" He replied. "We have to play our way across the room." Hermione took the position of the king's side castle, Harry replaced a bishop, and Ron mounted the back of a knight. Ron commanded the game, calling out each move. Piece by piece the two sides were destroyed. As Ron contemplated the next move, it dawned on him what he would have to do. "Harry, after I make my next move, the queen will take me. You will then be free to check the king." 

 

"You can't!" Hermione started. "There must be another way!"

 

"Do you want to stop Snape from getting the stone or not? Besides, Harry, it's you that needs to go on anyway. Not me. Not Hermione. You!" 

 

Ron called out the move to his knight and he moved forward. When he had finished his move, the white queen turned and faced him. She moved slowly toward him. The fear built on Ron's face as he braced himself. The queen raised her sword and pierced the black knight. Ron fell to the floor unconscious. Harry quickly moved diagonally forward and called out "CHECKMATE!" The white king dropped his sword. The game was over. Harry and Hermione quickly ran over to Ron. He was breathing but unconscious. "We need to keep going." Harry said. "We need to stop Snape. They ran through the next door and into the chamber beyond.

 

Green flames erupted in the doorway they had just come through and black flames in the doorway ahead. They moved to the center of the room where a small table stood with a roll of parchment and seven small potion vials filled with various potions. Hermione unrolled the parchment and read aloud the poem it contained. "It's a riddle."

 

"What does it mean?" Harry asked. "There are seven potions here." She said. "One will allow the consumer to move forward through the black flames untouched. One will allow the consumer to return through the green flames. And the rest seem to be various poisons." She carefully read through the poem several more times. "I've got it" she said as she picked up a small purple potion and handed it to Harry. "This one will allow you to go on through the black flames." "

 

What about you?" Harry asked.

 

She picked up a second small blue potion. "This one will allow me to retreat through the green flames and get Ron out of here. You're a great wizard Harry. Go stop Snape!" Hermione smiled at him, uncorked her potion vial, and drank the blue potion. It felt as though ice had spread throughout her veins. She walked back towards the green flames and went through them leaving Harry alone in the chamber.

 

 

Hermione Granger (KevinH) a Cop has gone away on night 6.

 

It is now day 7. The day will last until 12:00pm CST on Monday, August 8th.


Vote Count
 

Lyner (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Lyner, Mazuurek, Preston, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks

 

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch or 2 at deadline.
Deadline is 12:00pm CST on Monday, August 8th.

[Sister Midnight]

NOOOOOOOO!  Not Kevin!

 

I am fingering Wolfpacks for reasons Kev already stated and Preston for putting up ISocialism!  

[Mazuurek]

shit, and iSocialism wasn't mafia either :c

[Preston]

Rest in peace, Kevin/Hermione; your sacrifice was not in vain.

Yesterday ended surprisingly abruptly. I still stand by my reaction to iSocialism's abrupt defensiveness and aggression, even though he turned out to be town after all - his contradictions made him look like scum reaching for something. However the way the day ended by Mazuurek's +1 vote, and Wolfpacks tried to unvote too late... both were worth noting. Going into last night I was looking hard at the both of them, but also into the question of who remaining was the most town - for a very specific reason.

My role: I am Percy Weasley, a Town Watcher. This means I need to pick someone that is likely to be targeted at night, and watch them - and I see who targeted them that night.

Here is a list of my findings this game, which will also explain why I have been quiet up until now:

Night 1: Myrrdin had the role before I replaced him, and didnt do anything Night 1. I have no data from that time.

Night 2: Rhizo was killed by scum, but on that night I watched Samus after the Legoboy lynch and saw Finster.

Samus didn't die that night, but it was also the night where Samus tracked King Hitler and TW reported him a strange result, and had to be called in to fix it. I was concerned by this that Finster might have been a Mafia Roleblocker, and hence responsible for Samus's strange result outside of King Hitler's commuter claim.

Night 3: Nobody was killed by scum. I watched Samus again that night (he had roleclaimed after all), and saw Finster again.

On THIS night Samus tracked KevinH and saw him investigate iSocialism. This ruled out Finster being a roleblocker or other interfering rule, and as a result it cleared my suspicion of Finster entirely, as you see in this post:

First and foremost, I am removing my FoS on Finster and moving instead to a HARD FoS on King Hitler. And not just for what Finster quoted above:
(...)
1-shot commuter... and claims that it might be why Samus's role was different. If you didnt use your role, it should not have done anything to affect Samus on Night 2. But then you claim you tried to commute on Night 3? How many shots again? I think we may have found our second scum right here. And the fact that Finster pointed out what he did, along with Samus's result on Night 3, exonerates Finster in my eyes.

Bolding emphasis added. Did anyone catch this at the time? Why else would Samus's result on KevinH exonerate FINSTER for me, especially since I remained suspicious of KevinH for longer? The answer is that I now knew Finster's targeting Samus had to be a town protective role or similar. He could not have been a scum role cop or similar because why would he target Samus twice in a row if he was? At this point I KNEW Finster was town.

However this also led me to a question - what stopped the scum from killing on Night 3? I had figured Finster was a doctor, but I saw ONLY Finster on Samus that night. In retrospect I now know this is because Scum had a Ninja, but at the time I was thinking we might have a bulletproof or some other means of staying alive beyond Finster's protection. This led me to make a mistake the next night...

Night 4: I watched KevinH to see who would target him. He had claimed as a Cop - I figured I might see a scum roleblocker or even a full-on kill attempt. Instead I just saw Finster - doctor protecting him - and that night Samus was killed. I should have watched Samus instead.

During this time I remained suspicious of KevinH, despite his pointing out Ali - I could not shake the possibility of a scum sacrifice play that would keep Kevin alive until the end of the game. All we had was the confirmation from Samus on ONE night, and now Samus was gone and unable to verify Kevin further.

On day 5 King Hitler was lynched, and iSocialism had the hammer vote. This would in theory make iSocialism seem FAR more town and make him an attractive scum target. So:

Night 5: I watched iSocialism, saw nothing. Finster was killed.

Finster's death when iSocialism lived, in combination with iSocialism's strong reactions and attacks on me on Day 6 - worse because he had so many mistruths in his attacks - are what made me put him to the top of my list and vote for him. Turns out he was just an aggressive townie... and with the day ended so quickly I had to fall back on what I knew. Which brings us to last night. I wavered a LONG time on who to watch, between KevinH (claimed cop that I was still feeling COULD be scum leading us on), or Sister Midnight - one of the people generally accepted as town by everyone. I made my choice:

Night 6: KevinH died. Watched KevinH. SAW LYNER.

Given KevinH's death and the fact I saw no one else on him last night, I have a difficult time believing Lyner can be anything else but scum.
* We've had a town doctor already, so that's out
* We've had a tracker (Samus) and a watcher (me) so that's out.
* Any town roleblocker role is out because that would shut down our own claimed cop; why would Lyner do that if he was town?
* We've had a mafia ninja killed already, so I don't see another invisible kill happening. It makes sense in terms of game balance; a mafia ninja to evade watcher and tracker, and a godfather to evade the cop.

I'm sorry I missed the Mafia's for target this many nights, but by surviving until today I have finally gotten the payout for my Watcher role - finding a scum in the act of targeting someone who was killed at night.

Vote: Lyner

Unless we have another scum in play, which I HIGHLY doubt, I think this one is done.

-Preston

[Mazuurek]

VOTE: Lyner

[Wolfpacks]

Vote Preston

He made the main reason why everyone else voted for ISOC, I recinded my vote and it was too late, we must honour our fellow town by voting this way.

[Preston]

Vote Preston

He made the main reason why everyone else voted for ISOC, I recinded my vote and it was too late, we must honour our fellow town by voting this way.

We can be pretty sure that Lyner will jump on this with you in order to save himself, so you're giving him a means to do so...

Do you not have any response or thoughts on the role claim I just laid out?

It's unfortunate iSocialism turned out town, but given the way he came after me with mis-information and his defensiveness against everyone - he set himself apart that way.

Were it not for me finding Lyner last night, I probably would have been looking at you due to the way you unvoted at the end, or at Mazuurek for his +1 hammer... but in the presence of my role showing me scum action at night, I'm not moving my vote anywhere else.

-Preston