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[ccabal86]

Church attack in France

[Theophilos]

 

There is as much "peace" in Christianity as there is in Islam, go reread the Old Testament (pro-tip, they both follow it!)

 

Absolutely, and it took us more than a millenia to turn the papacy into pope Francis, and millions died for it. The Jews went under their own reformation. We paid dearly in blood to get where we are today and I'll be damned if I sit by quietoy while Mengela Merkel sells us out to Islamic theocrats.

 

 

Christians do not follow the old testament, that's an uneducated statement.

 

Christians obey by the rules laid out in the New Testament as Christ had already fulfilled the Old Testament.

 

Read the two, there's a completely different demeanor.

 

 

 

Say what now?

 

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its divinely inspired and has never been revoked...

[Theophilos]

over the past 300 years, totalitarianism has ravaged practically every nation on the continent (where the Endarkenment flowered), whereas the UK, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a centuries old democratic tradition. give that some thought.

 

Yeah... no. The 'democratic' traditions of UK led to the creation of first concentration camps in connection with 'scorched earth' policy, as but a first in line of many examples... So yes, by all means do give it some thought (before making claims of the sort above).

[Samus]

 

 

There is as much "peace" in Christianity as there is in Islam, go reread the Old Testament (pro-tip, they both follow it!)

 

Absolutely, and it took us more than a millenia to turn the papacy into pope Francis, and millions died for it. The Jews went under their own reformation. We paid dearly in blood to get where we are today and I'll be damned if I sit by quietoy while Mengela Merkel sells us out to Islamic theocrats.

 

 

Christians do not follow the old testament, that's an uneducated statement.

 

Christians obey by the rules laid out in the New Testament as Christ had already fulfilled the Old Testament.

 

Read the two, there's a completely different demeanor.

 

 

 

Say what now?

 

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its divinely inspired and has never been revoked...

 

 

If you're going to quote me atleast make a point, or provide some form of explanation as to why you are quoting me.

 

Never did I say it had been revoked.

[onbekende]

 

as for the old/new testament, how many christians follow that one aswell? Its mostly just morals that are taken from it, morals that are generally universal (aka ever religion has them).

 

 

Not every Christian is a perfect Christian, but don't mistake that all Christians follow the New Testament.

 

 

For some reason, I think we are discussing Protestantism <=> Roman catholicism.

 

But interpretation is indeed what is required, interpretation off all the notions and prior interpretation made by people. I'd rather not be just another parrot reciting mere words put forth by someone someday.

 

over the past 300 years, totalitarianism has ravaged practically every nation on the continent (where the Endarkenment flowered), whereas the UK, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a centuries old democratic tradition. give that some thought.

 

You like Commonwealth I see, am rather sad the Queen will be the last one "ruling" over the entire thing

[Theophilos]

 

 

 

There is as much "peace" in Christianity as there is in Islam, go reread the Old Testament (pro-tip, they both follow it!)

 

Absolutely, and it took us more than a millenia to turn the papacy into pope Francis, and millions died for it. The Jews went under their own reformation. We paid dearly in blood to get where we are today and I'll be damned if I sit by quietoy while Mengela Merkel sells us out to Islamic theocrats.

 

 

Christians do not follow the old testament, that's an uneducated statement.

 

Christians obey by the rules laid out in the New Testament as Christ had already fulfilled the Old Testament.

 

Read the two, there's a completely different demeanor.

 

 

 

Say what now?

 

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its divinely inspired and has never been revoked...

 

 

If you're going to quote me atleast make a point, or provide some form of explanation as to why you are quoting me.

 

Never did I say it had been revoked.

 

 

If you want to discuss something at least be courteous enough not to insult with the first thing you post.

 

The point was made perfectly obvious, that you chose to ignore it, is your own fault. You said, and I quote: "Christians do not follow the Old Testament". A factually incorrect statement, for a great majority of Christians (assuming that one would define a Christian as anyone who professes faith in Christ and who has been validly baptized).

 

Did I say you said that it was revoked? I didn't. I simply questioned your statement and provided information on the position of the Old Statement in Christianity. You can not fault other people for assuming something when you yourself make statements that erroneus.

 

I am a Traditionalist Catholic myself. Dare I assume you would not consider me a Christian, given some of the views you expressed thus far?

 

Note: Ignore spelling errors, auto-correct is what it is

[iSocialism]

The Jewish people still use the old testament, and don't not believe in the new testament. FYI Jewish as in faith. But to say Christian can now be vague, because Mormons, Catholics, Baptist, Methodists, Jehovah would consider themselves Christians. I would consider myself non-domination Christian, or in other words. A Christ follower. Meaning my one goal is to be more like Christ, and to follow in his foot step. And this is where I think Samus is hinting at. That we follow Jesus who showed us what it meant to obey God, with this I don't need to follow the ten commandments (directly), because Jesus live it.

I'm not trying to preach to you guys. Just trying to further a point, as I saw it. Also to have a little more discussion. In reality, you might still be able to argue that some domination of Christianity do follow the old testaments.

[Theophilos]

The Jewish people still use the old testament, and don't not believe in the new testament. FYI Jewish as in faith. But to say Christian can now be vague, because Mormons, Catholics, Baptist, Methodists, Jehovah would consider themselves Christians. I would consider myself non-domination Christian, or in other words. A Christ follower. Meaning my one goal is to be more like Christ, and to follow in his foot step. And this is where I think Samus is hinting at. That we follow Jesus who showed us what it meant to obey God, with this I don't need to follow the ten commandments (directly), because Jesus live it.

I'm not trying to preach to you guys. Just trying to further a point, as I saw it. Also to have a little more discussion. In reality, you might still be able to argue that some domination of Christianity do follow the old testaments.

 

When your hart is in Christ, the name of the path on which you follow him, isn't important.

 

The question with respect to the ten commandments is simply a question of whether or not one considers that the Old Testament is the veritable 'Word of God'? If yes, then it can not be unliked with the New Testament and with Jesus. Jesus spoke on the issue and his view on the matter was that of total and unconditional trust (as per the Scriptures. To be clear I'm commenting solely on the relation of the Old Testament to the New and Jesus, and give no opinion on whether or not one ought to follow it.

[Shahenshah]

meanwhile coalition is still twiddling thumbs on bombing the shit out of ISIS. just dont understand 

[Samus]

 

 

 

 

There is as much "peace" in Christianity as there is in Islam, go reread the Old Testament (pro-tip, they both follow it!)

 

Absolutely, and it took us more than a millenia to turn the papacy into pope Francis, and millions died for it. The Jews went under their own reformation. We paid dearly in blood to get where we are today and I'll be damned if I sit by quietoy while Mengela Merkel sells us out to Islamic theocrats.

 

 

Christians do not follow the old testament, that's an uneducated statement.

 

Christians obey by the rules laid out in the New Testament as Christ had already fulfilled the Old Testament.

 

Read the two, there's a completely different demeanor.

 

 

 

Say what now?

 

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its divinely inspired and has never been revoked...

 

 

If you're going to quote me atleast make a point, or provide some form of explanation as to why you are quoting me.

 

Never did I say it had been revoked.

 

 

If you want to discuss something at least be courteous enough not to insult with the first thing you post.

 

The point was made perfectly obvious, that you chose to ignore it, is your own fault. You said, and I quote: "Christians do not follow the Old Testament". A factually incorrect statement, for a great majority of Christians (assuming that one would define a Christian as anyone who professes faith in Christ and who has been validly baptized).

 

Did I say you said that it was revoked? I didn't. I simply questioned your statement and provided information on the position of the Old Statement in Christianity. You can not fault other people for assuming something when you yourself make statements that erroneus.

 

I am a Traditionalist Catholic myself. Dare I assume you would not consider me a Christian, given some of the views you expressed thus far?

 

Note: Ignore spelling errors, auto-correct is what it is

 

 

What line exactly did I throw an insult at you?

 

You made a point that had nothing to do with what I said and I simply questioned why you were quoting me. You never questioned anything about my post which was why I was confused why you were quoting me.

 

And I still stand by that point, Christians do not follow the Old Testament, maybe you interpreted me wrong. I'm not saying it's irrelevant, i'm saying it's not the testament we live our lives by and it shouldn't be as it's already been fulfilled! If you do indeed follow the old testament, I hope today you no longer eat pork and you're still making your blood sacrifices right?

 

Don't play dumb Theo, you're obviously fishing for something here with me, I said nothing of offense to you.

 

My girlfriend is catholic, we have our disputes on believes, but at the end of the day she's still a follower of Christ and hence a Christian to me. Stop with the stereotypes and assumptions, no one's out to get you.

 

 

I would consider myself non-domination Christian, or in other words. A Christ follower. Meaning my one goal is to be more like Christ, and to follow in his foot step. And this is where I think Samus is hinting at.

 

 

THIS EXACTLY.

 

My family grew up in a Pentocostal environment and I was raised in one too. But learning and gaining my own knowledge, i'd rather call myself a non denom Christian too. IMO all religion is a lie and is fueled by mans own agenda, believes and interpretation. That's why I don't really consider Christianity a religion, more of a relationship with yourself and God.

 

With religion you have rules.. Must not eat pork, Must pray x times a day, No contraception, etc etc. With a relationship, it's just an understanding.

[Theophilos]

What line exactly did I throw an insult at you?

 

You made a point that had nothing to do with what I said and I simply questioned why you were quoting me. You never questioned anything about my post which was why I was confused why you were quoting me.

 

And I still stand by that point, Christians do not follow the Old Testament, maybe you interpreted me wrong. I'm not saying it's irrelevant, i'm saying it's not the testament we live our lives by. If you do indeed follow the old testament, I hope today you no longer eat pork and you're still making your blood sacrifices right?

 

Don't play dumb Theo, you're obviously fishing for something here with me, I said nothing of offense to you.

 

My girlfriend is catholic, we have our disputes on believes, but at the end of the day she's still a follower of Christ and hence a Christian to me. Stop with the stereotypes and assumptions, no one's out to get you.

 

Firstly, you wish to discuss something, then behave courteously and respect your interlocutor... without unecessarily insulting them. Please do take a look at the previous page where you used words such as uneducated. That is what I was referring to. In a discussion about religion of all things, you should avoid insulting people (patronising counts as such as does unargumented dismisiveness, whether or not you meant it as such is perhaps a different question).

 

My point had everything to do with what you said. Especially since you said something about interpretation and how it should be left to each individual. You are making arrogant claims that are factually incorrect, namely "that Christians do not follow" the Old Testament or Ten Commandments. You might not follow them, you Church might not follow them, but do resist the urge to impose your view on everyone else. Furthermore what does it mean to "follow", is it to do literally as it is written, is it to try and abide by the spirit in which it was intended, or something else?

 

You can believe what ever you want, but do not claim that your views are shared by everyone... as a rule of thumb, they most likely are not.

 

The only one playing dumb here is you apparently... As said above, I'm not fishing for anything, your personal belifs are your own and you may believe whatever you want. Having said that, that does not mean your beliefs or your views are imposed on the body of Christianity as a whole...

 

Your staments Samus could have fooled me, objectively speaking, on whether or not you consider Catholics Christians (as I said above, thus the question). Was my question posed in a provocative way... yes it was. But I'm glad you cleared that up.

 

No stereotypes here Samus, that is unless you want to see them, but that is up to you. I said the most important thing (to me anyway) on this issue above in a different reply, namely "When your heart is in Christ, the name of the path on which you follow him, isn't important".

 

To be clear I didn't think anyone was out to get me, but that now that you mentioned it You need to calm down and realise I'm not trying to pin anything on you...

[ccabal86]

On a lighter note, here's a neat little video with easy to follow instruction  on how to get into Heaven, according to Scripture. Enjoy

 

[Samus]

On a lighter note, here's a neat little video with easy to follow instruction  on how to get into Heaven, according to Scripture. Enjoy

 

interpretation in the most fundamental way lmao

[ccabal86]

 

On a lighter note, here's a neat little video with easy to follow instruction  on how to get into Heaven, according to Scripture. Enjoy

 

interpretation in the most fundamental way lmao

 

 

Yes, but then it begs the question: If one really wants to follow in the footsteps of Christ, which instructions in the Bible are bogus and which ones are genuine?

[Samus]

 

 

On a lighter note, here's a neat little video with easy to follow instruction  on how to get into Heaven, according to Scripture. Enjoy

 

interpretation in the most fundamental way lmao

 

 

Yes, but then it begs the question: If one really wants to follow in the footsteps of Christ, which instructions in the Bible are bogus and which ones are genuine?

 

 

I can't answer that really.

 

But you ever get that gut feeling when you make a decision and you know it's just right, like no post conscious?

 

That's what I tend to go off

[ccabal86]

I can't answer that really.
 
But you ever get that gut feeling when you make a decision and you know it's just right, like no post conscious?
 
That's what I tend to go off

Isn't that just your inherent moral compass though? Do you think religion really adds anything to the mix that you couldn't have in there without it?

Furthermore, in order to appreciate the finer moral teachings of Christ, is it really necessary to also believe he was the son of God and could raise the dead, cure the blind and multiply bread? Why not take his good teachings for what they are without the extra dressing that frankly add nothing of substance to them?

Edited by ccabal86, 26 July 2016 - 10:32 PM.

[Kitkat16]

meanwhile coalition is still twiddling thumbs on bombing the shit out of ISIS. just dont understand 

 

The problem is that bombing the crap out of ISIS won't solve the problem. The West needs to rediscover something worth fighting for.

[Argus Panoptes]

 

meanwhile coalition is still twiddling thumbs on bombing the shit out of ISIS. just dont understand 

 

The problem is that bombing the crap out of ISIS won't solve the problem. The West needs to rediscover something worth fighting for.

 

 

Liberté, égalité, fraternité. That's a nice starting point. No, it's not where we are as a society, but what we as society should aspire to be. 

BTW I'm not French

[Kitkat16]

 

 

meanwhile coalition is still twiddling thumbs on bombing the shit out of ISIS. just dont understand 

 

The problem is that bombing the crap out of ISIS won't solve the problem. The West needs to rediscover something worth fighting for.

 

 

Liberté, égalité, fraternité. That's a nice starting point. No, it's not where we are as a society, but what we as society should aspire to be. 

BTW I'm not French

 

 

Hm. I don't remember that working out very well....... 

 

[Argus Panoptes]

 

 

 

meanwhile coalition is still twiddling thumbs on bombing the shit out of ISIS. just dont understand 

 

The problem is that bombing the crap out of ISIS won't solve the problem. The West needs to rediscover something worth fighting for.

 

 

Liberté, égalité, fraternité. That's a nice starting point. No, it's not where we are as a society, but what we as society should aspire to be. 

BTW I'm not French

 

 

Hm. I don't remember that working out very well....... 

 

 

Eh? OK, I get to vote Clinton or Drumpf in a few months. Shoot me now please.