I like how ccabal brushed aside occupations and mass murders of Muslims in Kashmir, Palestine etc. 3 or 4 dozen unarmed protestors were shot and killed in Kashmir, 100s blinded by use of pallet guns, the current uprising isn't even particularly about religion but more about right to self determination. How do you think people would react when generations of them have been denied basic human dignity?
Now I imagine say if Erdogan's government shot and killed dozen of Christian protestors, ccabal et al would be up in arms and saying just how bad all the Muslims are.
Just proves the point that to you a value of han life is not just equal.
I am saddened by thsoe attacks as well, but the cold hard thruth is that it's 1) been like that for decades and 2) they're in a far away place and therefore not my immediate concern. Yes, you can call me a selfish asshole, but humans are like that, they care most about the things that hit close to home.
And you literally keep quoting same points from Quran, picking them out without any contextual references like ISIS uses to justify whatever the fuck they are doing right now.
For every point you quote, you can find a counter point from the same book or from examples of prophets life. unfortunately for you and some Isis, they'd pick the ones that supports whatever narrative they're running with.
Ok, maybe I could have been more creative with the Koran quotes, but I can switch either of them out for far worse, there are plenty. My point here is that as long as mainstream Muslims in general, and clerics in particular hang on to the dogma that the Koran contains the
exact, infallible and final word of God (which I believe is the core tenet of Islam) you're going to have trouble. Heck, without questioning this you don't even have grounds to criticize what ISIS is doing, at least not from a theological standpoint. Obviously, the pink elephant in the room is that the Koran is at the very least NOT the literal truth of God if only for the controviersies alone that you have mentioned. If contition "A" is the opposite of condition "B", then "A" and "B" cannot be simultaneously true, no matter how mysterious God's ways are. Instead, like other sacred scriptures in the world, the Koran too was written by fallible human beings and therefore it too is an imperfect product, like everything else in the world. Now the problem here, is that whichever Muslim points out the pink elephant is likely to be branaded an Apostate and dealt with most harshly. You live in Pakistan, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
This is an issue that you guys will have to deal with eventually, or things will keep going downhill. Not sure how best to go at it, but recognizing and admitting that the problem exists would be a good first step.
One thing we can tho agree on, bomb the fuck out of ISIS, west has bombed countries for far less or nothing, I just don't understand the hesitation...you'll even have public opinion on your side, hell, even in Muslim majority countries.
Just as Muslims, the West is pussyfooting around the aforementioned core issue. The willful or unwitting obfuscation by virtually all stakeholders does not help either and actually obstructs your next point:
You should allying with moderates who are fighting their narrative, not undermine them by brushing them together with these guys too.
I would call them "liberal" and not "moderates", but I completely agree. Unfortunately those Muslims who are willing to admit that among many other factors the very nature if Islam
as it is practiced toady is also to blame are instantly marginalized and ignored (and not just by Muslims, but also the Western regressive left), just look at Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Also lol at no friends because the book says, I consider you a friend, even tho I strongly disagree with some of your views, but yea, I'm here with all of you, so stop being an idiot man. Life experience taught me that simplifying the world in black or white leads to bad decisions and unhappiness.
I also consider you a friend, but I reject that I'm painting a black and white picture. I just think that I'm pointing out some facts that by all rationale should be truisms, and yet somehow they are not. But I do believe that unless there is some sincere and open discussion about these, we will continue slide down the apocalypse spiral.
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