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[Samus]

tbh Lyner's posting style/activity in these games have been consistent every game i've played with him regardless if he was mafia or town, so he's a hard one to read..

[KevinH]

- post #104 KevinH eventually appears and supports 5 or 6 number.

 
but it really said:

I expect we'll find 4 or 5 scum from among these
 ...

 

Lynch all liars?

 

Regarding Rafay, I was hoping to prompt him to contribute more.  

I put suspicion on those that lynch him Day 1 -- it's only helping the scum to have one less townie going into Day 2.

[Preston]

For being supposedly just one of Ali's suspects for scum with Lego, he seems to be talking more about me than Lego at this point. I didn't consider it as much of a direct attack before - anyone will see what they want on Day 1 - but the word choice and bolding emphasis in Ali's most recent post are provocative. Interesting.

- I do see benefits of delayed posting in quite a few situations. Like cop waiting till the half of the day before posting his scum find, so that he gets more material from scum interactions.  For instance I got more data from both you and Lego I might not get otherwise (like for instance Lego is not being so at ease right now). Like not willing to post a wall of text but rather divide it into separate posts that can be discussed separately. Strange you don't see it. Maybe that's because it affects you.

 
Bolding emphasis added; your lines at the end are pure drama instead of analysis. You and iSocialism had commented on my dislike of teasers, and I answered that - but with the way you're writing now, this does not appear to be about that anymore; you appear to be framing facts in a provocative way. You imply information being gathered, but aren't spelling it out - leaving other readers to draw their own conclusions. So really there isn't much said in this line at all beyond implications, which says quite a lot about what you are trying to do.

- You're trying little to hard with Rafay's case. He's my default D1 choice in every game due to his playstyle and I treat it as a didactic move. If I find a scum however I won't ignore him just for the sake of punishing Rafay.

Voting for a suspected scum to catch or test them is better than voting for an inactive, so that much I don't argue. However your justification is that Rafay is a constant vote from you, and so it should be just ignored? Nevermind that it counters the "free no-lynch" theory you advanced earlier from the even player count.

- About your explanation on calling for activity...good to know, you're only doing it on D1. I find that funny, but don't expect me to believe it. Last game I did exactly the same thing you are doing right now as a cheap way for scoring some townie points. Also if you were really so concerned about players being lynched for inactivity in a previous game, why didn't you start calling immediately but wait for the next game to begin?

More bolding emphasis added to highlight provocative language. Did you miss last game how I was against the inactive wagons, and suspected KevinH due to how much he kept pushing them? It looks like you are equating my push to get people active and voting instead of defaulting to discussionless no-lynch with your scum behavior last game. That is a subjective comparison because it depends entirely on your statement of what you would have done; i.e. it's an argument you can make sound like whatever you want. If you want to talk prior game comparisons however, didn't Rhizo comment that normally you are the one who pushes people to be active?

- You say: "I am not sure how to fully parse your second point, as I dont see anything inconsistent in the quotes you reference: "doing it a little early on day 1" and "trying too hard" have the same meaning". I'll help you because you kind of missed the proper fragment: "He's (Lego) hitting all the normal scum-hunting checkboxes" vs "Legoboy made early waves trying to be very proactively pro-townie". This is what interests me.

So the fact that you would have phrased my point differently interests you...? Either elaborate on why you feel that particular word choice is a significant point worth making, or this grammar correction serves no purpose other than to try and sustain your attack.

- About Death, interestingly you give so much meaning to his post #6 and at the same time you justify Lego by saying "He's hitting all the normal scum-hunting checkboxes, but doing it a little early on day 1 for it to mean anything". I'll bold for everyone to catch it, because that's very disturbing.
It's also strange that only You, Lego and 1ceCream are the ones giving this #6 post so much meaning.

I dont have to add boldness here, you did it for me. If what you bolded is supposed to have meaning for everyone to catch you are going to have to spell it out a LOT more than that, instead of leaving it as simply being 'disturbing'.

Joke votes early on tend to be random and don't always pile up two at a time. The vote doubling made D34TH's joke vote at least something to watch as slightly different than expected, and the triad of Lego, D34TH and 1ceCream had dissipated without further ado then it would have been properly ignored afterward. The fact that they made it into a big deal is what makes it worth examining for the roots of why Lego vs D34TH is so active now - that is literally the start of it.

Also I'll comment as an aside that your post #X notation without any form of link to access that content is REALLY annoying to look up to see what you are referencing. Either fully quote or link it please so we don't have to jump pages and scroll.

- Your choice of Lyner: he stands out because he responded quickly after you poked him (but what if he just logged in after you posted?) and copy pasted response and thus is lynch worthy? Really? Are these the biggest "sins" anyone has accumulated around here?  I can't call it any other way than a distraction.

Observing that Lyner appears to be trying to hide from the conversation provoked him to respond as though to immediately refute it, and when countered by CoD with why this was a fair observation his response was not "Okay fair enough I just logged in" or any form of acknowledgement for CoD and the point he made, but instead to just copy-paste his previous line. You don't see people doing that terribly often, so it stood out. Combined with how Lyner appears to be sensitive to statements about his trying to ride out the day unobserved - he countered Canik that no-lynch is not no-vote, even though Canik did not say that phrase - and it makes me notice Lyner *more*.

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Overall, Ali - this most recent post from you feels more like an attack than your previous ones, and now I have a reason to watch you more closely. None of us have any role information to base a solid belief on, yet you tailored your words for provocative effect - you don't do that with simple post analysis that should stand on its own. Your latest post has the same quality as iSocialism's from the previous game: throwing material, much of it wrong, to see what sticks and others respond to. You have falsely claimed I threatened you, quibbled over my grammar and tried to justify your attacks with implication and your own say-so of what you did as scum instead of fact. It's fine to just have a feeling at this stage - we are only on Day 1 - but you have taken it a step further to where you are now looking for anything to justify what you are saying. That stands out to me.

FoS: Ali bin Turban

-Preston

P.S.: Sorry Finster et al about another long post, but Ali's rather detailed attack needed a line-by-line response. At least I don't make you go and find the quoted material for yourself!
P.P.S.: I also appreciate CoD's support, who apparently posted while I was typing this. The fact that you understood what I was writing confirms that my posts' meaning is clear enough to get across, grammar or no.

[Canik]

When we have an active Day 1 like this, maintaining no-lynch without offering opinions or anything else on the ongoing discussion feels like avoiding comment on the day's events to keep yourself from being tied to anyone; in that context no-lynch feels a lot closer to no-vote than it otherwise would. I don't mind if no-lynch is how the day eventually ends up, but don't sit on the sidelines for all of day 1. -Preston

Well said, Preston.


The thing is too, Lyner said "Stop reading too much into post style and start voting, we can generate more significant info that way."

"We can generate more significant info that way" implies voting something other than no-lynch. What info do we get from no-lynch votes? Literally, not voting and threatening to use it would be more effective at generating info. I explained that in one of my 1st posts and Lyner of course ignored it and just a few posts later voted for no-lynch.

Though I wasn't very surprised he did it, Lyner and I rarely agree on things it seems. So I gave him some benefit of the doubt but his responses thus far are not helping.

FoS Lyner

[legoboyvdlp]

Unvote

Vote: No lynch

While it is usually good to lynch lurkers, I'm still not fully convinced about Rafay. I'm focusing more on D34TH as my main suspect, and the ''confirmed townie'', Finster. Nevertheless, presently I am also not ready to vote for him either, until I can read his play style into D2.

Good night, all.

[Lyner]

 

When we have an active Day 1 like this, maintaining no-lynch without offering opinions or anything else on the ongoing discussion feels like avoiding comment on the day's events to keep yourself from being tied to anyone; in that context no-lynch feels a lot closer to no-vote than it otherwise would. I don't mind if no-lynch is how the day eventually ends up, but don't sit on the sidelines for all of day 1. -Preston

Well said, Preston.


The thing is too, Lyner said "Stop reading too much into post style and start voting, we can generate more significant info that way."

"We can generate more significant info that way" implies voting something other than no-lynch. What info do we get from no-lynch votes? Literally, not voting and threatening to use it would be more effective at generating info. I explained that in one of my 1st posts and Lyner of course ignored it and just a few posts later voted for no-lynch.

Though I wasn't very surprised he did it, Lyner and I rarely agree on things it seems. So I gave him some benefit of the doubt but his responses thus far are not helping.

FoS Lyner

 

This is another example of why voting should be advocated instead of another FoS, it is literally an easy way for scums to appear helpful while avoiding responsibility by letting other people to start voting first a.k.a testing the waters.

 

Sample Role PM said:

You are Professor Binns, a Hogwarts Staff Member. Your power is in your vote. You win when all threats to Hogwarts have been eliminated.

 

 

Scums first and foremost will try to kill a townie, if that cannot happen, they will try to go for a no-lynch. AbT pointed out that town can afford a no-lynch on day one, which means now scums are more pressured to kill a townie today. No-lynch is optimal in this game.

 

Which means bonus townie points for early no-lynchers: KevinH, 1ceCream, Wolfpacks, Lyner.

 

And the rests of the players? I think we can agree that Rafay is the most promising candidate for the lynch today. Therefore:

1. Those who commit on Rafay gets bonus townie points.

2. If Rafay turned out town, those who passively pushed for Rafay while not actually voting for him gets bonus scum points.

3. If Rafay turned out scum, those who initially defended Rafay gets bonus scum points.

3. Those who haven't picked a side should do now.

 

Anyway if I were a cop or other PR, I think today's info is enough for me to pick a decent target tonight.

[D34THBR1NG3R]

Unvote
Vote: No lynch
While it is usually good to lynch lurkers, I'm still not fully convinced about Rafay. I'm focusing more on D34TH as my main suspect, and the ''confirmed townie'', Finster. Nevertheless, presently I am also not ready to vote for him either, until I can read his play style into D2.
Good night, all.

I've already cleared that up... I have no clue why you feel so adamant to bring it up every time you post

[Preston]

@Lyner:

I would not award any townie points for *early* no-lynchers; it's a very safe scum cover throughout Day 1, and serves as a form of hiding to remove yourself from the active conversation while claiming town's interest.

And on the subject of "avoiding responsibility by letting other people start voting first"... you and KevinH are both on no-lynch while pushing others toward the Rafay wagon. I don't disagree that FoS can be used to test wagons by scum, but in this post you blatantly award yourself townie points for your own no-lynch stance then turn around to urge others to vote for a lynch in your stead, saying committing to Rafay will give them bonus town points... that's almost the definition of getting others to vote for you.

The two things I agree with are that people currently not voting should pick sides now, and that the day's conversation has provided ample fodder for any town PRs to investigate people. This is FAR better than Day 1's usually go.

-Preston

[iSocialism]

Rafay (4): Mandarijn, Finster Baby, legoboyvdlp, Mazuurek

legoboyvdlp (2): D34THBR1NG3R, Ali bin Turban

Lyner (2): Rafay, Preston

KevinH (1): Chaplain of Death

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

 

These would be the 5 top being presented candidates. I got these from the cases being made. Rafay case is the fact that he may not be helpful later on. The evidence is that he isn't helpful now, and hasn't shown this in the past. This is the best day one I have every seen. I don't think it's a nobody no nothing type of day. I mean people will know a lot more on day 2 than today, but this day one is exciting. With that being said this brings me to kevin, I believe his case about drawing attention to rafay to get rafay to talk more, and I'm just not sold on him.. right now. His experience would make him a great target to eliminate if he was scum, but also a good push for scum to get rid of. Lyner would be my next best candidate to go for. I believe Preston has been making a good case against. FYI Preston, my jab was more of a tease. Death has been accused but only because of his vote on ice. This case to me is worthless, however it's worth mentioning because of the push done by lego on to him. Lego has been acting strange, but really I haven't play with him too much, in fact i think this is only the second game, and he didn't last to long in the other one. Everything lego does, he does the opposite after someone calls him out about it. He doesn't stand his ground, he just easily back down from his idea. Which makes me wonder how strong of an idea it is to him, or does he just shotgun it and sees what flies. With that, this brings me to my vote

Vote Lego

I think you're a smart player but I think your inexperience shows. If you get lynched keep playing in other games.

I would also mention even though rafay is talking, he has voted. that type of action doesn't hurt town as much as not being active. Rafay is probably town, but isn't helping drive the conversation. 

[Chaplain of death]

Lyner did you just quote the sample role pm for no reason in an attempt to make it look like a role claim?

Also your little point system ignores the fact that while you abs kevin are sitting on no lynch you are pushing a Rafay wagon. How is that any different from people using FoS?

Unvote

Vote Lyner

[Lyner]

I would not award any townie points for *early* no-lynchers; it's a very safe scum cover throughout Day 1, and serves as a form of hiding to remove yourself from the active conversation while claiming town's interest.

And on the subject of "avoiding responsibility by letting other people start voting first"... you and KevinH are both on no-lynch while pushing others toward the Rafay wagon. I don't disagree that FoS can be used to test wagons by scum, but in this post you blatantly award yourself townie points for your own no-lynch stance then turn around to urge others to vote for a lynch in your stead, saying committing to Rafay will give them bonus town points... that's almost the definition of getting others to vote for you.

You ignored my reasoning that scums will always push for a lynch on day one. And you emphasized "early", care to recommend a revision?

 

Well if we get really technical then I've just awarded myself townie points and scummie points so that it cancels out, no? I can come up with any kind of point scoring system and I'm pretty sure you'll still find something that could paint me as scummy, example: "I know I am not scum so I'm awarded the most townie points; Lyner must be a scum."

 

I'm trying to be objective here, so can we focus on the reasoning of my argument before you try to use it to paint me as a scum? Do you agree with my scoring table? Which part would you fix? Who will be the most suspicious?

 

 

Lyner did you just quote the sample role pm for no reason in an attempt to make it look like a role claim?

Also your little point system ignores the fact that while you abs kevin are sitting on no lynch you are pushing a Rafay wagon. How is that any different from people using FoS?

Unvote

Vote Lyner

 

I quote the sample pm to make my point that vote should be used as the main weapon. At the later days we usually use vote as a track record of a player's movement, a FoS is hard to detect and didn't threat anybody.

 

About the little scoring table, look at my explanation on Preston's post

[Lyner]

Observing that Lyner appears to be trying to hide from the conversation provoked him to respond as though to immediately refute it, and when countered by CoD with why this was a fair observation his response was not "Okay fair enough I just logged in" or any form of acknowledgement for CoD and the point he made, but instead to just copy-paste his previous line. You don't see people doing that terribly often, so it stood out. Combined with how Lyner appears to be sensitive to statements about his trying to ride out the day unobserved - he countered Canik that no-lynch is not no-vote, even though Canik did not say that phrase - and it makes me notice Lyner *more*.

I was falsely accused and my reasoning ignored! How can I be not sensitive!?

 

*runs to the girl's lavatory*

[Mandarijn]

With the comment about not elaborating, I do not play these games, the closest being Town of Salem in which you have less than a minute to vote someone to lynch, and so I just go on my base feeling and I didn't know how much elaboration this game really needed until now when I see paragraphs on paragraphs of respondse. However I will not be writing paragraphs and paragraphs of response until day 2 as I am still helping take care of my grandpa while my grandma is in the hospital, however on Saturday or Sunday (little too late I know with this day) I will be elaborating more on my opinions and using evidence with them. And for the third or fourth time, I jumped on 1ceCream immediately as a joke if you would actually read my explanation on it, and AGAIN, 1ceCream said he realized it was a joke.

You seem to be online quite often, so can you elaborate on this already?

[Canik]

This is another example of why voting should be advocated instead of another FoS, it is literally an easy way for scums to appear helpful while avoiding responsibility by letting other people to start voting first a.k.a testing the waters.

Kind of like how you & KevinH were voting no lynch then encouraging others to make moves. Except it isn't that easy to avoid responsibility is it? People still noticed.

Anyway, the day is almost over. Not much reward in letting my vote float any longer and don't want to risk a mislynch if this would be a 'free' no lynch day, in a game that probably has plenty of PRs. So Vote No lynch

In case I die tonight here is my list & notes.
Top Suspects:
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1. Mazuurek
Scum points -

Has only made a few post and most of them were bandwagons. I feel he's gotten lost in the 18 person melee going on. Seems like he just wants a lynch and doesn't care much who. Makes me a little less suspicious of Lego & Rafay.

Possible Team - Almost certainly not Lego or Rafay. Too little info to know any more.

Town points -
He could have just been trying to prod with his votes but he never said so, and came in later on the Rafay vote seemed to want the kill, not info/activity like the rest of us.
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2. Lyner
Scum points -
Voted no lynch extremely early and after I explain the importance of not putting scum at ease by voting no-lynch early, plus the risk of ending the day early. Scum love the day to end early.

Encouraged others to vote to gain information (which would only be gained through voting FOR people, not by a no-lynch vote) as a reaction towards suspicion on him. This is a bit opinionated but to me the hypocrisy and redirection attempts in his responses have seemed rather suspicious to me.

Possible Team -
Probably not Preston or myself. Other than that, hard to get a clear read since he voted no-lynch so early and mostly just posted in defense of himself. Samus posted a somewhat half-hearted defense of Lyner here (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57842-tw-03-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets-mafia-day-1/?p=874581) Seems a little like trying to keep Lyner out of trouble without getting too close.

Town points -
Well, at least he definitely won't be the cause of a mislynch today. I do give a point for that, but voting no-lynch that early I disapprove of. There was like 5 and a half days left when he did it.
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3. Kevin

This post is taking forever so to sum it up, very similar to Lyner. He gave more precise direction adding to criticism against Rafay, and without prodding if I recall correctly. However his responses didn't seem as scummy to me.

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4. Wolfpacks

Just noticed, I think he voted no-lynch very early too but points a FoS to Lego & Rafay here (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57842-tw-03-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets-mafia-day-1/?p=874223) Another case of trying to get a lynch to happen while keeping clean hands it seems.

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5. Lego
Scum points -
He just came on a too strong at the start
for it to be believable. Immediately saying "I'd be surprised if any of
the original TW-2 mafia (me, ABT, KingH, and Lyner) were mafia. I may as
well role claim right away as a plain vanilla townie, Prof Flitwick."
etc etc.

He voted on Icecream, Icecream replied simply with "Why me?" and this somehow convince Lego that Icecream is probably town.

Possible Teammates -
Icecream
Rhizo
Preston
Mandarijn

^ He listed these as people he believed were town very early.

Also AbT and/or Lyner could be possibilities, based on his first line "I'd be surprised if the TW-2
team was mafia again" to paraphrase. AbT was quite critical of Lego though so it seems unlikely that they would be a team.

Town points -
Active
Didn't try to play it safe, tried to pressure & prod with his vote.
Quite a few people targeting him (tho not all are voting for him).. basically no one coming to his defense. I had him near the top of the list originally but now I'm not as sure. Still that's #5 out of 18, they are all quite close.

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No one else particularly stands out to me. Obviously those I listed as potential teammates I am a little more wary of, they would make the next 10 or so on my list.

I get town vibes from Preston for his tireless effort and analysis and for understanding how to apply pressure & gain info with a vote.
 

[The Warrior]

"Beds empty! No note! Car gone--could have crashed--out of my mind with worry--did you care?--never, as long as I've lived--you wait until your father gets home, we never had trouble like this from Bill or Charlie or Percy"

 

Vote Count

Rafay (3): Mandarijn, Finster Baby, Mazuurek

legoboyvdlp (3): D34THBR1NG3R, Ali bin Turban, iSocialism

Lyner (3): Rafay, Preston, Chaplain of Death

Ali bin Turban (0):

Canik (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

Finster Baby (0):

1ceCream (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Mazuurek (0):

Preston (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Samus (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

 

No Lynch (6): KevinH, 1ceCream, Wolfpacks, Lyner, legoboyvdlp, Canik

Not voting: Rhizoctonia, Samus, Sister Midnight

 

With 18 alive, it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Thursday, August 11th.

[Lyner]

I advocated for a no-lynch, then you said it is no good.

 

I then advocated that people should vote instead of just chatting, then you said it is no good.

 

I also advocated that if we go down the lynch route, Rafay is the ideal target, then you say it is no good too.

 

 

Anyway it's good to see that Canik is thinking in terms of possible teammate suspects(ex: I and Preston mustn't both be scums), scums usually avoid that so bonus townie points there.

[D34THBR1NG3R]

With the comment about not elaborating, I do not play these games, the closest being Town of Salem in which you have less than a minute to vote someone to lynch, and so I just go on my base feeling and I didn't know how much elaboration this game really needed until now when I see paragraphs on paragraphs of respondse. However I will not be writing paragraphs and paragraphs of response until day 2 as I am still helping take care of my grandpa while my grandma is in the hospital, however on Saturday or Sunday (little too late I know with this day) I will be elaborating more on my opinions and using evidence with them. And for the third or fourth time, I jumped on 1ceCream immediately as a joke if you would actually read my explanation on it, and AGAIN, 1ceCream said he realized it was a joke.

You seem to be online quite often, so can you elaborate on this already?

no not really, I only have about 15-20 minutes of free time every couple hours because I'm in the hospital or helping at home

[Sister Midnight]

I REALLY want to vote Rafay, I mean my fingers are itching to vote him but ATM Lyner is looking scummier. But, Rafay, I hate how he says nothing. Do I think he's scum? Not more than I think anyone else is scum. But I really, really want to vote for him and after today I may not find voting for him to be relevant. I can't find the post where, Rafay voted for liner, can anyone help? Better still, rafay, can you either share it or explain again why you're voting for him. This may be a life or death request for you, Rafay.

[Ali bin Turban]

 

Bolding emphasis added; your lines at the end are pure drama instead of analysis. You and iSocialism had commented on my dislike of teasers, and I answered that - but with the way you're writing now, this does not appear to be about that anymore; you appear to be framing facts in a provocative way. You imply information being gathered, but aren't spelling it out - leaving other readers to draw their own conclusions. So really there isn't much said in this line at all beyond implications, which says quite a lot about what you are trying to do.

 

So let's check the facts:

- I'm showing up on Sunday posting quite a bit of my thoughts, saying I'll post a bit more on the next day and asking other for thoughts on the posted part.

- I'm posting rest of my info on Monday.

So how I'm not spelling it out and leaving anyone in the dark? Secondly, please do tell me what you think I'm trying to do...because as of now it seems you're just trying to imply something and leave it without explanation, letting others to "draw their own conclusions". Isn't that what's called "pure drama".

 

Voting for a suspected scum to catch or test them is better than voting for an inactive, so that much I don't argue. However your justification is that Rafay is a constant vote from you, and so it should be just ignored? Nevermind that it counters the "free no-lynch" theory you advanced earlier from the even player count.

 

How does it counter? How does saying "normally I'd do X, but there's also an interesting option Y that's worth noticing, however based on the information I've gathered I think I'll do Z". How does those statements counter each other? Again no explanation, just insinuation from you.

 

More bolding emphasis added to highlight provocative language. Did you miss last game how I was against the inactive wagons, and suspected KevinH due to how much he kept pushing them? It looks like you are equating my push to get people active and voting instead of defaulting to discussionless no-lynch with your scum behavior last game. That is a subjective comparison because it depends entirely on your statement of what you would have done; i.e. it's an argument you can make sound like whatever you want. If you want to talk prior game comparisons however, didn't Rhizo comment that normally you are the one who pushes people to be active?

 

That's a nice question, especially considering you've quoted me saying I was pushing people for activity last game when I was a scum. So...I was pushing people for activity when I was town and I was pushing them when I was a scum last game...but in this game I'm not. So what are your conclusions? Are you even interested in finding out my motives or do you just ask random questions hoping that they'll look as arguments?

 

So the fact that you would have phrased my point differently interests you...? Either elaborate on why you feel that particular word choice is a significant point worth making, or this grammar correction serves no purpose other than to try and sustain your attack.
 

I'm not phrasing anything differently, I'm just quoting you, because I'm wondering what does "hitting all the normal scum-hunting checkboxes" means for you. And it's not quibbling over a grammar, it's just simple question.

Overall, Ali - this most recent post from you feels more like an attack than your previous ones, and now I have a reason to watch you more closely. None of us have any role information to base a solid belief on, yet you tailored your words for provocative effect - you don't do that with simple post analysis that should stand on its own. Your latest post has the same quality as iSocialism's from the previous game: throwing material, much of it wrong, to see what sticks and others respond to. You have falsely claimed I threatened you, quibbled over my grammar and tried to justify your attacks with implication and your own say-so of what you did as scum instead of fact. It's fine to just have a feeling at this stage - we are only on Day 1 - but you have taken it a step further to where you are now looking for anything to justify what you are saying. That stands out to me.

FoS: Ali bin Turban
 

I could say very same thing about your material. You don't really bother to explain anything, just throwing insinuations and stopping half way instead of finishing and posting your reasoning. You arbitrary decide who's wrong and who's right, without providing not even a proof, but at least explanation why did you think so. You accuse me of everything you're doing on your own right now and your last paragraph is a pure emotional drama.

 

When I was posting my observations I've shown your possible motive (assuming you're scum). I've pointed out Lego's actions which I believe show his scummines. I've shown what I think are connections between you and him, the way you're acting and defending him (at least what I believe might be going on). I think it's possible for You and Lego to be in a same scum team and I've told why I think so.

 

You on the other hand have not explained what motive I could had. Did you even thought why would I jump on 4 people? If I were a scum, would I really aggravate 4 people so aggressively? Would I jump on 2 active, veteran town players at once? It's not even about clashing with arguments. If any of those ones had a PR I'd be on their list to check and even a godfather wouldn't save me from a role cop check. Am I such a fool to tackle a whole group at once when I can only try to lynch one per day?

 

Are you really looking for a scum, trying to build a coherent view of your interlocutor motives...or are you just fighting back?

 

 

[Ali bin Turban]

Today is probably the last day for me (on this game Day), because I'll be busy tomorrow (may find just a moment to come), so here's my summary:

 

 

- SM - no reads on her, except for her urge to vote on someone (preferably a lurker).

 

- Mandarijn - Really shy in this game, but he's mentioned (out of the game) that he has little time recently - this may explain it. Voted on Rafay just at the beginning and pretty much did nothing else.

 

- Mazuurek - again as in the last game following votes. Promises to write more when he votes, but does not keep his promise. Can't gather any info basing on this.

 

- Rhizo - somewhat townish, or at least not doing anything that gives scum vibes. Notably not jumping on the fast bandwagons.

 

- Lego - my biggest scum suspect. I've posted my reasons already. He's also jumped on Rafays wagon immediately and then jumped of just because (his reasoning to do so could be made anytime, anyday - maybe he was told to keep his head down). People are very unwilling to vote him, which is also telling, considering how fast Rafay's wagon was formed.

 

- Finster Baby - not posting much. FoS'es Lego and says he might be a scum, but actually avoids talking about him with anyone. Also prefers to jump on Rafay's wagon (and I'm having a feeling like he could be waiting for an excuse, as per post http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57842-tw-03-harry-potter-and-the-chamber-of-secrets-mafia-day-1/page-8#entry874231)

 

- Samus - Stout D1 no-lynch supporter. Not much more can be told.

 

- iSoc - Active, prodding others, seems helpful to the town.

 

-Wolfpack - not much participating, cant read much out of him.

 

- Rafay - toxic playstyle. I wish he'd been replaced, or at least turn out to be a scum...but seeing how fast a wagon formed I'm skeptic about it.

 

- CoD - can't tell much about him...but I admit I've let him go under my radar and not analyze his posts to much.

 

- 1ceCream - Lurker that apparently is slipping under everyone's radar. He was active but after feeling some heat he disappeared (he's still somewhat active on the forums). As with Preston, if Lego's not a scum I got nothing on him.

 

- KevinH - At this point my second suspect. Rather not taking part in conversation, posting distractions instead (like invitation to talk about the lore). Voting no lynch, but at the same time suggesting lynching others. I feel somewhat offended about calling my mistake (about his number of scums claim) a lie. I'm not the owner of mensa-level intellect, but still I think I could make up something more sophisticated than simple swap of one number. He's very rough in this case calling for a lynch (yet he keeps his stance on no-lynch).

 

- Death - strange confirmation of Finster...though I'm not sure if they can be connected (at least I think there might be a connection between Finster and Lego instead). Voting for Lego so I find him helpful personally.

 

- Preston - I'm assuming his allegiance basing on presumable connection to Lego. If Lego turns scum he'll be a possible scum in my eyes. If it turns out that Lego's a town, then my observations are worth nothing and I'm quite probably quarreling with a townie.

 

 - Lyner - cant read much about him, but I don't really find him helpful in general. Proposed a distraction in a form of talking about the lore (same as KevinH). Voted no lynch and asked others to do the voting (which I'd say is not as bad as KevinH suggesting names of people that could be voted on), though no lynch is actually beneficial to town (I think he voted to lynch when he was a scum).

 

 - Canik - seems helpful to the town