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[MK-1]Town of Transylvania - Town and Van Helsing Win!


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@Rhizo, I'm so sure you're totally wrong I could bet any amount of tech on it. It would make no sense to implement post restriction in a way you've described, because it restricts nothing. What kind of restriction would be scenario where "10 people has made 10 posts, so a vampire can post 40 times"??? You don't call it restriction and you don't implement it at all because it's not restriction, it's worthless gimmick.

 

Now use logic and take that "5 posts" SLMK mentioned in an example as average number of posts. Most probably SLMK's post restriction looks like that: X post + % of average number of posts. Now please rethink your statement with that assumption in mind.

 

Now onto other things:

- If we lynch randomly (most probably we'll be hitting townies: 63% right now) we're looking at 3 deaths per N-D cycle (VH kills are 100% good ones so they don't concern me). With that amount of deaths, game will most probably end on D4. Also assuming there are 2 scums per team, each team have currently 78% chance to hit town. That means, if we act recklessly it will be very easy to wipe us out in just 2 nights.

- As long as 2 mafia teams exist bandwagon information is not very useful (scums will be hunting for other scum, and that presumable townie who's lynched a werewolf can easily be a vampire).

 

I think we'll need every town we can get on later days (D3/D4...maybe even D5)...so unless we're damn sure that someone is a scum, or we have very good chances for hitting scum, we should wait.

 - Even if we lose 2 townies at night - it means that chances of scum being killed next time are bigger now.

 - Town benefits from each night it survives.

 

 

I don't have the time to continue going back and forth over this.  We can sit here and debate what we assume the restrictions are or aren't, but it comes down to I do not know what they're, and you do not unless you're a vampire. . I only have what the Mod has told us, and that is the amount Vampires are allowed to post will go up as more posts happen, and the example he gave us, for which I dove into last reply.  I doubt his setup will be exactly like his example, but he mentioned something along those lines.  My point is simple, I dont believe the restriction will be outrageous that Vampires are easily determined solely on it, and I think individuals spending too much energy and focus on post amounts is not only going to waste town's time, but end up causing mislynching due to possible lower post counts by VT's. 

My fear was this (vampire post count) was going to take the up the day being the main topic, and I only seem to be helping make that the case for which I do not want to.  So I'll end this discussion with if you want to examine post counts to try to find a Vampire, by all means...I'll hold further response on it until you present your thoughts and see if it seems logical or not.  I however would much rather see discussion shifted and focused on what we want to do today in regards to lynching or not and how town should play this.  I personally keep resorting to rereading the sign up thread to try to get a better idea of the setup in general and trying to determine what's best for town.

 

I have asked a few questions I have, Mod seems to be away the last day.

 

So maybe others can answer this one or give me their thoughts.

 

Werewolves - Can kill vampires at night...if their kill isn't a vampire and instead a townie, do they kill townie?

Vampires - Can kill werewolves at night, I assume can kill town as well?

Van Helsing - Can he only kill Vampires...or can he miskill and kill a townie?

Arsonist - Can kill anyone besides Van Helsing...but does he win with town or does he win if he's the last remaining?  

 

I'm trying to understand what each role can kill at night.  I am assuming Werewolves and Vampires can knock off town as well at night, and assuming VH can only kill Vampires, so would say expect 2 kills for sure with a possible 3rd if VH guesses right.  I am not sure on Arsonist...as I find it odd the Mod added he cannot kill VH, which makes me think he could be a SK character on his own to win.  All townies are told who VH is, so if he's with town, I would expect the arsonist to be told who VH is thus there is no need to mention Arsonist couldn't kill him, because why would he.


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Pretty much the way I see it. Vamps are the first priority, then the WW, then the arsonist.  However keeping the arsonist alive could be beneficial to the town towards the beginning.

 

Does a person know when he has been primed?

 

No one is going to put a vote on VH, or at least not the second vote on him. This means that we can consider the lynch-able to be 10, 9 if your looking from a POV stand point. I would think there is at least 1 of each, meaning at least a total of three. My theory right now is 1 arsonist, 2 WW, and up in the air on vamps, maybe just one since they can't be lynched. 

That's a desirable lynched of 3 and 1 variable with 6 vt left.  So it's about a 1/3 chance of hitting something we wouldn't mind hitting. 

My only concern is that it would be random, and we ran the risk of exposing the arsonist, assuming good at the beginning, and having the vote pattern show or narrowed down who might be VH. tomorrow there will probably be 9 left, and with the chance of three groups/individual targeting tonight versus 1 group lynching today. I think the NA might present more of chance of taking out a scum. Though taking out anyone today would help increase the chance of hitting an desirable.

 

Pretty much I'm undecided when it comes to this format. We have better odds of hitting scum tonight (or maybe not, I'm not a math genius) But even better odds of hitting scum tonight with one less person. Same goes with scum hitting VH though. 

 

Robert, I'm not trying to confuse people. I'm just confused at this format.


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Vamps and WW are consider two separate scum team.

VH can only kill off vamps.

IDK about the arsonist part we need SLMK ti answers some points on that one. 


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So let me get this straight, we have 4 roles that can kill at night (every night?)

- Van Helsing

- Vampires

- Werewolves

- Arsonist (after N3)

 

So we'll lose 2-3 people every night? :o That would be pretty harsh...

Is that only your 2nd post Mandi? You're lagging pretty far behind. I know you normally don't post a lot but since low posts can be a sign of being a Vampire, it's go a long way to assure us you're not one if you can get a post count on par or higher than average.

Icecream you're falling behind too.



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Sorry. 

 

I'm gonna get all the post counts right now. On a side note, I really think I miscounted Rhizo's posts.

 

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1ceCream: 2

D34THBR1NG3R: 4

WP: 2

KevinH: 4

Mandarijn: 2

KH: 3

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Canik: 6

Rhizo: 3

Robert: 6

AbT: 4


Average post count: 3.73, so about four posts.


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looks like me and Canik is the lead posters so far. Though idk when the Vampires post restrictions start though. 


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I almost never post if I don't have anything useful to say. :P The top posters are mostly the ones who throw around a lot of fluff and useless posts. I don't like to read those, so I don't do that myself as well. If we have a plan to find vampires with their post count, I'm all for it. But at this point this is non-existant, so there's no need for me to start posting fluff as well and I'll just play my normal game...

 

@1ceCream: you can see the post count by clicking on the '45 replies' in the topic overview. ;)

 

@: There are a lot of unanswered questions about this set-up and the different roles.


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@1ceCream: you can see the post count by clicking on the '45 replies' in the topic overview. ;)

 

 

 

Learned something new today.  I knew there was a way as I've seen people post the count, but couldn't figure out how


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It would be nice to get some answers from the mod. Until then there's not much to discuss, only to speculate.



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@1ceCream: you can see the post count by clicking on the '45 replies' in the topic overview. ;)

 

 

 

Learned something new today.  I knew there was a way as I've seen people post the count, but couldn't figure out how

 

Same.

I believe a no lynch would be best in this situation


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Yeah our mod has been quiet true, but maybe hes hoping we can work it out on our own.

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I almost never post if I don't have anything useful to say. :P The top posters are mostly the ones who throw around a lot of fluff and useless posts. I don't like to read those, so I don't do that myself as well. If we have a plan to find vampires with their post count, I'm all for it. But at this point this is non-existant, so there's no need for me to start posting fluff as well and I'll just play my normal game...


We do have a plan. Or I do anyway. It's to hopefully keep our posts relatively equal and see who can't keep up. It's not a plan I can guarantee will work since I don't know the restrictions but it's worth a shot. There is 0 risk and potentially a big reward.

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My speculation is that the arsonist is a version of a serial killer. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Arsonist says so, but of course our mod can do whatever he wants.

 

I think we should lynch somebody and I think that somebody should be whoever does not keep up in post count.



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It's still a matter of weather we should Lynch or not. Attempting to Lynch we can hit a town or werewolves. While if we try to Lynch a vamp they won't be lynched. I can easily make an argument for lynching day 1. But we have some who are on both sides of the fence. So we should sound off if your for a day one Lynch or not.

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My speculation is that the arsonist is a version of a serial killer. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Arsonist says so, but of course our mod can do whatever he wants.
 
I think we should lynch somebody and I think that somebody should be whoever does not keep up in post count.


Im up for this. It creates pressure to make people post, to add input. We need to eliminate fluff posting somehow as well.

Also kevin, you're not that magically anymore. Since your post count tactic has been expose
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Magically? What are you talking about now Isoc?

Well. The only way this is going to be cleared up is with the MOD returning and answering all our q's. Guess I'll message him.

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Good luck filtering out the fluff posts and getting people to post actual usefull stuff. ;)


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Magically? What are you talking about now Isoc?

Well. The only way this is going to be cleared up is with the MOD returning and answering all our q's. Guess I'll message him.

 

 

I think he's referencing that Kevin is usually the one who posts the list of how many posts each person has.  Now Mandarijn has told/exposed how to get the information besides simply going page by page and counting 


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Magically? What are you talking about now Isoc?
Well. The only way this is going to be cleared up is with the MOD returning and answering all our q's. Guess I'll message him.

 
 
I think he's referencing that Kevin is usually the one who posts the list of how many posts each person has.  Now Mandarijn has told/exposed how to get the information besides simply going page by page and counting 

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I personally think calling out people for not posting a little suspicious, if anything I feel it's a cover to make sure the vampires to get more chance to post

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