"When a wizard goes over ter the Dark Side there's nothin' and no one matters to 'em anymore.…"

 

Vote Count

 

KevinH (3): Mandarijn, King Hitler, Sister Midnight

Mandarijn (2): Yehom, KevinH

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

King Hitler (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, Wolfpacks

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, November 18th.

Posts during this day:

13 Mandarijn

9 SeaBeeGipson

7 KevinH

4 Rhizoctonia

4 Sister Midnight

3 Yehom

2 D34THBR1NG3R

2 Wolfpacks

0 iSocialism

 

There are only 2 days before deadline.

 

If anything, the townies are more confirmed (godfather and mafia-aligned roles still possible).

Our lynch candidate should come from those that are not confirmed as anything.

I feel this far into the game we all should be averaging about 5-10posts each at the lowest amount.

Can we ping Isocialism? I dont recall even seeing him online

If anything, the townies are more confirmed (godfather and mafia-aligned roles still possible).

Our lynch candidate should come from those that are not confirmed as anything.

Of course you would want that, because there's only 1 scum among those. So the chance that we hit that person is so low that you're willing to take that risk. 

But we have 3 confirmed scums, so why would we take that risk?

 

@SM: WP got 2/3 scums and then 1 more. Which means his gut/feelings work very well and more people should use this.

 

I have a pretty uneasy feeling about SM, too much weirdness and since she has been called out on it a lot recently she rarely speaks? I know she said she had RL stuff but I assume that's over now so I don't really know what to think, I feel SM is just trying to lay low now.

Really? I'm posting more than you based on Kevin's numbers.

 

never said I posted more than you, I said you have been posting less than usual after being called out, which is true.

 

 

I have a pretty uneasy feeling about SM, too much weirdness and since she has been called out on it a lot recently she rarely speaks? I know she said she had RL stuff but I assume that's over now so I don't really know what to think, I feel SM is just trying to lay low now.

Really? I'm posting more than you based on Kevin's numbers.

 

never said I posted more than you, I said you have been posting less than usual after being called out, which is true.

 

I am posting as much as I feel the need to post.  I have clearly explained that I had a lot of crap going on in RL and TBH, things have gotten worse in some ways, but I am more focused and I have come to terms with some of it.  I am doing my best here and honestly, so far today I think I've made as good a contribution as I can in any circumstances.  On the other hand, I am not seeing much of value from you.

Seriously let me get this straight, people get investigated and come up clean: they have to be scum. People get tracked and trackers see nothing: they have to be godfather-ninja, or what ever modifier this game allows. I seriously don't get why Manda keeps on hammering that the people that have been checked and came up clean are 'confirmed scum'. Honestly if that is how you play this game, what use does a power role still have if you just keep on doing the complete opposite of what they ask. Instead people want to follow a person that 1) has yet to be investigated, 2) has yet to be followed or tracked, 3) decided to play this game since D3 and bases everything only from the day he started playing. He keeps on hammering on the fact that it's either him or 'the confirmed scum'. Funny how the people that came clean are pronounced scum in a game where some people have been checked not once but twice. That's some backwards thinking if I've ever seen it. 

 

Also just pointing out this 'discussion' if you want to call it that, which SM is trying to start here. Honestly that fact that we have to debate on 'how much someone is posting', contribution to this game, value of posts and what not. Do you really want to start this? I get hammered on for voting for 2 people that acted shady af but they turn out town and get called out for it. SM joins some wagons on the absolute brink of the deadlines, both people turn out to be town and yet she gets this label of 'oh, she's town, she's just playing badly'. On top of that she has been called out a couple of times: dead silence on her part. Instead she opts to throw in some random comments to make it look like she’s active. Can you honestly tell me that you have any contribution to any discussion that we had on anything SM? If so, please share your contributions so far, because as far as I’m concerned, I think they are basically non-existent. Instead on trying to starting some funky argument about contribution, I suggest you start contributing yourself. 

Yes, Yehom. I am on my iPad at work, so it is tricky for me to do a lot of editing and linking, so I'll recap. I said I think it is more likely that we have an insane cop than a framer. You lynched an innocent townie, I did not vote for him because my gut was that he was telling the truth. My gut is that you are scum, and if an insane cop, who found a vanilla townie "unhelpful" finds you to be a normal student, that would imply that you are not a normal student. I voted for Kevin because there already is a bandwagon and if the above logic applies to you, it applies to him, otherwise I'd be gunning for you, based upon your voting history and your early defensiveness and, most of all, my instincts.

 

I acknowledged that I played very badly up to the last lynch. I did ask TW to replace me because I was too distracted to play well and it was unfair to the town to keep playing. He hasn't found a replacement, but several days have passed (in real time) I feel I can pull myself together and focus on the game constructively. I am doing my best and I believe I have given helpful, well thought out input. I will continue to do my best until TW replaces me or until the end of this game. Since I am a townie the game will end if I am lynched, so that is why I phrased things that way. If I were scum I would not have called attention to myself by playing like a crazy person and my scum buddies would have stopped me from acting that way.

So basically the only difference between you and me is that I got defensive? Got it, next time someone accuses me of bullshit, I'll ignore that shit and pretend nothing happened, because apparently that's the way townies play. 

 

Again I'm going to repeat what I said earlier. Why would everybody assume that the cop is insane. I'm just going to throw this out, but you were one (and I think the last one even) to vote for Ali. Talk about hypocrite. Ali was 'non-helpful', he has to be scum. OMG he wasn't, while 3 other people turn up normal, OMG they have to scum. Meanwhile 3/4 other people have yet to be investigated, yet to be followed or tracked. Nah man, they are clean right? Why do we even have power roles? Seriously

So basically the only difference between you and me is that I got defensive? Got it, next time someone accuses me of bullshit, I'll ignore that shit and pretend nothing happened, because apparently that's the way townies play. 

It is too hard for me to look over every vote, but how many successful lynches of townies did you vote for? Going by memory I think it was most of them. Certainty more than me. That would be a pretty big difference.

 

 

There have been a whooping total of 3 lynches now. I voted for Robert and 1cecream, who again (I'm sounding like a record or what?) BOTH acted suspect as shit the days that they were lynched, hence they were lynched by a majority, not by deadline. You have voted for 1cecream (same as I did, but your vote didn't count if you really and actually want to go on technicalities, because your vote was after deadline, but you voted anyways) and Ali. By my calculations thats 2 versus 2. Instead of 'going off of memory', it's not that hard to find this information, if you actually did the research (or just looked back at 2 posts in what 2 minutes). You're not even trying to play this game properly are you, because selective memory > actual research

 

Still waiting for that contribution by the way

KevinH (3): Mandarijn, King Hitler, Sister Midnight

Mandarijn (2): Yehom, KevinH

 

Not Voting: D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, Wolfpacks

 

 

Dear D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, and Wolfpacks,

 

Please consider voting for Mandarijn,  I am a townie and by lynching me, the town will all but lose this game.  Mandarijn is realistically the only alternative with the deadline looming so near.

 

Sincerely,

 

KevinH 

So for all your moral outrage over my going by memory, you have now lied about how I voted, Yehom. I did not vote for ALI. You didn't vote for anyone last time because you knew he was going to be lynched, so you didn't vote at all and claimed you thought neither lynch party had the right guy. I voted for one townie this entire game, Icecream, who looked scummy. That vote didn't count, but I did vote for him. I notice you have not been adding a whole lot to the conversation for pages and pages, but you sure perked up now that I fingered you.

 

As for my contribution, you clearly don't like it, but what I have been saying is valid and your efforts to ignore or discount my contribution to save yourself and your scum buddy, Kev, has been noted.

There have been a whooping total of 3 lynches now. I voted for Robert and 1cecream, who again (I'm sounding like a record or what?) BOTH acted suspect as shit the days that they were lynched, hence they were lynched by a majority, not by deadline. You have voted for 1cecream (same as I did, but your vote didn't count if you really and actually want to go on technicalities, because your vote was after deadline, but you voted anyways) and Ali. By my calculations thats 2 versus 2. Instead of 'going off of memory', it's not that hard to find this information, if you actually did the research (or just looked back at 2 posts in what 2 minutes). You're not even trying to play this game properly are you, because selective memory > actual research

 

Still waiting for that contribution by the way

I meant to quote this first.

 

KevinH (3): Mandarijn, King Hitler, Sister Midnight

Mandarijn (2): Yehom, KevinH

 

Not Voting: D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, Wolfpacks

 

 

Dear D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, and Wolfpacks,

 

Please consider voting for Mandarijn,  I am a townie and by lynching me, the town will all but lose this game.  Mandarijn is realistically the only alternative with the deadline looming so near.

 

Sincerely,

 

KevinH 

 

Dear KevinH,

 

Wait.

 

Sincerely,

 

D34THBR1NG3R

 

I shall vote when I feel adequate 

@Yehom: It's obviously not only the investigation... You and Kevin were already on my radar (and Ali was pro-town) before WP posted his results, so my gut said you both were scum. If then WP posted his result I was surprised, but I gave KevinH the benefit of the doubt, and assumed there was a framed that framed Ali. Then Ali turned up town and you turned up as helpfull. So another suspect of mine is supposedly a townie?? I'm obviously not always right, but this much coincidence can't be possible... Then the logical conclusion is obviously that WP is insane. There's just not another scum team possible as it had to be: SM, SBG, iSoc and D34th and I'm just not buying that...

Sorry been busy in RL , my theory is there is either a GF involved which you could perm 1 of 3 from my results or as Ali said there is a framer involved, I said before I voted for Ali my gut instinct said he was town but I had to go with my results. The other theory being bandied around is I'm a insane cop, that would mean out of 4 investigations I have been lucky enough to pick 3 scum, the odds on that happening considering I'm a newish player are going to be very high. Since the day started there have been 2 protagonist arguing whether they are town or not, Mandi and Yehom, I said before that my gut feeling is that Mandi is town and I've yet to see anything that can tell me otherwise, on Yehom I've been pretty suspicious of him from the day he jumped on Ali wagon on me without any real reason, but what is really disturbing me about him is his over agressiveness defence of himself, to me that's telling me he has something to hide. Now the question you have to ask is would TW have a Framer and GF in the same game, to make the game more interesting I would.

 

I go to go back to work but for now my FOS is squarely on Yehom

For the rest of the town: We need 4 votes on KevinH before the scum can get 4 votes on me. Because they will be ready to cast their last 2 votes on me right before deadline to make the final mislynch happen (except if iSoc is scum, because he seems inactive). SBG might even switch if he's scum, so then we'll need 5 (because if it's 4vs3 and SBG switches to me, then it's 3vs4 and we lose as well), which means all townies need to vote for KevinH if we want certainty that we don't lose...

Any way: Don't wait with voting please, as right before deadline everything can happen!

 

If we lose because of iSoc's inactivity, I'm gonna be very pissed.

For the rest of the town: We need 4 votes on KevinH before the scum can get 4 votes on me. Because they will be ready to cast their last 2 votes on me right before deadline to make the final mislynch happen (except if iSoc is scum, because he seems inactive). SBG might even switch if he's scum, so then we'll need 5 (because if it's 4vs3 and SBG switches to me, then it's 3vs4 and we lose as well), which means all townies need to vote for KevinH if we want certainty that we don't lose...

Any way: Don't wait with voting please, as right before deadline everything can happen!

 

If we lose because of iSoc's inactivity, I'm gonna be very pissed.

Im town. Plus KevinH hit 3. Even if you get 4, since he hit 3 first he will be the one lynched unless you reach 5.

 

For the rest of the town: We need 4 votes on KevinH before the scum can get 4 votes on me. Because they will be ready to cast their last 2 votes on me right before deadline to make the final mislynch happen (except if iSoc is scum, because he seems inactive). SBG might even switch if he's scum, so then we'll need 5 (because if it's 4vs3 and SBG switches to me, then it's 3vs4 and we lose as well), which means all townies need to vote for KevinH if we want certainty that we don't lose...

Any way: Don't wait with voting please, as right before deadline everything can happen!

 

If we lose because of iSoc's inactivity, I'm gonna be very pissed.

Im town. Plus KevinH hit 3. Even if you get 4, since he hit 3 first he will be the one lynched unless you reach 5.

It could happen.

Sorry, I've been lurking more then inactive. I've been reading from my phone, but I hate typing on it, and really haven't have the time to sit down an express my thoughts. I learned from past games that it is better not to say anything, until you have the time to say it all. Otherwise, you're scum if you ask for some time to post your thoughts. So here we go

 

With AbT flipping town that leaves of with three options

1. WP is a liar 

2. WP is insane

3. There's a Framer

 

Four people have been investigated by WP, AbT was considered non helpful, and still flipped town. Kevin, Yehom and Rhiz, are all consider helpful by wp investigations.

 

Two roles are known (presented)

1. WP - Cop

2. d34th - watcher/follower... I can't remember

 

Four people are left;

SBG

Manda

SM

and myself. 

 

I believe all the town roles are truthful and telling the truth. However, I can't wrap my head around the idea that WP was able to track/investigate down three scums back to back for the most part. I'm now thinking that there is a chance of a lucky framer out there. I would still assume that one of the three could be a GF. Manda you could have pleaded this case the day before, instead you went after me.

Instead of saying I believe AbT is town and therefore WP might be insane and Rhiz and Kevin might be scum, you went after me. I got it, you went along with AbT idea of there being a framer in the mix, but the likely hood of that happening is rare. Now that AbT has flipped town, you are abandoned that idea, and have move onto the idea that there are three "confirmed" scum. The fact that you abandoned your idea of a framer even after supporting AbT, and pushing for my lynch/ Doesn't sit well with me. The fact you are so adamant about kevin and really haven't suggested someone else. The plying of votes on Kevin by un-investigated people looks fishy.   

 

Surely if we went after kevin and he is lynched, and then flipped town, you can move the motion to or must have been that framer after all. Though we would start the next day with 7 and with 4 scum out there, that math would lead up to a loss, or a win depending which shoes you are in.

 

Therefore

Vote Manda

Even if you get 4, since he hit 3 first he will be the one lynched unless you reach 5.

 

No. It's the most votes at deadline with a minimum of the half-majority.

 

Even if you get 4, since he hit 3 first he will be the one lynched unless you reach 5.

 

 

No. It's the most votes at deadline with a minimum of the half-majority.

Oh, this is new information to me. (Never had an incident yet where this scenario has played out.)

Instead of saying I believe AbT is town and therefore WP might be insane and Rhiz and Kevin might be scum, you went after me. I got it, you went along with AbT idea of there being a framer in the mix, but the likely hood of that happening is rare. Now that AbT has flipped town, you are abandoned that idea, and have move onto the idea that there are three "confirmed" scum. The fact that you abandoned your idea of a framer even after supporting AbT, and pushing for my lynch/ Doesn't sit well with me. The fact you are so adamant about kevin and really haven't suggested someone else. The plying of votes on Kevin by un-investigated people looks fishy.   

 

Surely if we went after kevin and he is lynched, and then flipped town, you can move the motion to or must have been that framer after all. Though we would start the next day with 7 and with 4 scum out there, that math would lead up to a loss, or a win depending which shoes you are in.

I've explained this already, but I'll do it again, because IF you're town you've just lost the game for us. 

 

I've moved on from the framer idea, because 2 of the 3 'confirmed' townies (KevinH and Yehom) were very high on my original suspect list, the 3rd 'confirmed' townie (Rhizo) has risen on my list yesterday. So if there are 2 options: (because WP is obviously not lying)

- there's a framer who got lucky with framing Ali and there's a very unlikely scum team in: iSoc, SBG, SM and D34th

- WP is an insane cop (which seems impossible to some of you, but I can't understand why? What have Yehom, KevinH and Rhizo done to help town that they deserve this free pass?) and all the ones that I originally suspected are indeed scum + 1 other (I still think SBG or iSoc)

Then yes I will thrust my gut more than the results of an (insane) cop...

 

If I'm scum, my scum partners would be who exactly? D34th (of who you think is town, so do I btw, or 1 of the 3 scums that I've been going after all day + yesterday. Good thinking!!!), SBG (I've had plenty of arguments with him and accused him multiple times as well) and SM (who everyone wanted to lynch at some point in this game) I suppose? That just makes no sense at all... I just don't see ANY logic in that.

 

But it's also possible that you're the 4th scum of course and that SBG is speaking the truth and then my pleading of course won't help a thing. And I'll be leaning more in this direction now...

 

@iSoc: I'm fine with lynching Yehom, KevinH or Rhizo. I just picked KevinH as he was my 1st suspect...

 

 

 

Even if you get 4, since he hit 3 first he will be the one lynched unless you reach 5.

 

No. It's the most votes at deadline with a minimum of the half-majority.

Oh, this is new information to me. (Never had an incident yet where this scenario has played out.)

 

Exactly, so that's why all townies should have voted (on KevinH), otherwise we'll always lose... 

 

EDIT: Actually, if iSoc is the 4th scum. We won't lose if we get to 4 votes 1st. So we'll need 1 more on KevinH before they get the 4th one on me.

"Ah, of course, there is no need to say any more, Miss Granger. Tell me, which of you will be dying this year?"

 

Vote Count

 

KevinH (3): Mandarijn, King Hitler, Sister Midnight

Mandarijn (3): Yehom, KevinH, iSocialism

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

King Hitler (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: D34THBR1NG3R, Rhizoctonia, Wolfpacks

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, November 18th.

 

Even if you get 4, since he hit 3 first he will be the one lynched unless you reach 5.

 

No. It's the most votes at deadline with a minimum of the half-majority.

 

This is correct. The "first person to reach X number of votes will be lynched" rule only applies when a vote is tied. If someone were to garner enough votes to be lynched at deadline, but then someone else surpasses that vote total before deadline, the person with the highest number of votes will be lynched.

 

 

2. d34th - watcher/follower... I can't remember

Tracker lol 

Well that sucks.  Had started to write up my response and feelings on everything when I got home, ate dinner, came back and started to finish it, and hit back on my browser on the wrong tab losing all I had written.  Do not have time or energy to write it up again.  So the TL:DR response is I've outlined my feeling on who I'm most sure on at the end of yesterday and today.  I wanted to hit on things Mandarijn has said today that only strengthen that, but my response was lost.  

Anyway, I'm certain Mandarijn is scum, and if he's lynched we should be setup good for tomorrow looking at who was with him.  Hopefully town doesn't make a mistake.

 

Vote:  Mandarijn