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[Mandarijn]

 

If you can't find a 4th one, it's pretty obvious that your analysis isn't entirely correct and that you have to review your opinion on at least 1 person...   

Again why are you so fixated on that number 4? Why are you so sure it's 4? It could be 5, it could be 3. Do you know more than we do? 

A normal game would have 4 (25% of 16), all game we've assumed there are 4... So why are you now deviating from that?

[Yehom]

all game we've assumed there are 4

Please do tell who 'we' are, and where it was assumed that it was precisely 4 

[Mandarijn]

 

all game we've assumed there are 4

Please do tell who 'we' are, and where it was assumed that it was precisely 4 

 

An example:

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58337-tw-04-harry-potter-and-the-prisoner-of-azkaban-mafia-day-4/page-18#entry886575

 

I could probably find more but it doesn't matter. We're just derailing the discussion again... I also found this: 

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58337-tw-04-harry-potter-and-the-prisoner-of-azkaban-mafia-day-4/?p=884715

 

So it could be 5, in which case you have to pick 2 more scums... No one has said there are 3 (that I could find).

But it doesn't matter, you just have to give a list of 4 scums. I really don't understand why you don't want to do this...

 

@D34th: You should give your list as well and not just do the OMGUS tactic... It's possible that you're town, but that doesn't help.

[Yehom]

So according to your logic I HAVE to pick a name, just because YOU think that there are exactly 4 scum. Why pressure someone into picking a name if I think that there is nobody at this current time to suspect them of being scum. Again why do you want me to suspect someone that I currently don't suspect, unless you really want another townie to be lynched. I don't know how many scum is left, could be 3, could be 4, could be 5. But at this moment I have suspicions of 3 people. Only time and further investigation will tell if more people will be suspicious.  

[iSocialism]

Since, I'm not a framer

Vote AbT

Since your only idea is that it must be a framer, and your just a "VT" and I must be the framer. You left your vote on Kevin even after, RCs. You tell people to take a stance with a vote, but fail to do so on your post. This day has already provided more then all the other days combine, so I'm happy now. I would take the likeliness of a paranoid cop over a framer event happening.

My list
AbT
Manda or yehom
SM
It cutter off

And maybe rhiz or Kevin, AbT is adamant about them not being a godfather role, and my belief as AbT being scummy. I cannot rule out it

[Rhizoctonia]

Hadn't had a day off in 3 weeks, spent the past few days actually trying to spend time with my wife.

Anyway, so I've been reading what everyone has saying.  There has been quite a bit revealed this day.  What I know is WP can't be an insane cop because I am town...however ABT came up as non helpful and brought up the idea of a framer.  I was quite surprised to see the results, as I honestly would of expected the exact opposite with the results on ABT and Kevin, with Kevin being the unhelpful and ABT coming up helpful.  Kevin could still have a scum role that is immune to investigation however, and not counting him out.

 

My feelings on the framer?  Going off of TW's game, I wouldn't dismiss the idea of a framer being a apart of the game.  He likes to mix up roles and add or use different roles it seems every game.  I already stated this a day or so ago about TW mixing it up from using back up roles one game, to a SK another, to having JOAT's another.  We see 2 newer ones already this game, like the commuter and bodyguard that I don't remember being in some of his others (without looking, know aren't roles that come up every TW game).  

 

ABT has looked townish to me this game, so that also makes me believe the idea of a framer is at least possible.  I'm back and forth a bit, because ABT is also a well versed player in this game, and if anyone could pull off looking town as a scum, I think ABT is likely one of the better to do it.  I'm not sold he's town either, and surprised at some that have fully given him the benefit of the doubt about a framer.  Possible yes, for sure no.  

 

The way I see it, we either look to see if AbT is lying by lynching him today, or we allow him to live for now and we go after who we think comes off the most scummish.  For me, at this very moment, with Kevin coming up as town by investigation, outside of AbT being possibly scum, my suspicion lies in the likes of SM, Yehom, D34th, with Kevin and SBG fighting for 4th.

D34th and Yehom have both acted relatively defensive as of late.

 

If this is how the town is going to be, then I genuinely want you guys to vote for me.Vote for me then you'll realize when you've killed another town that "oh, this is kinda not going good for us" this town is making me cringe every step of the way and now I feel like those accusing the most are the ones trying to stir up panic.

 

Vote: Ali Bin Turban

 

 

This is defensive to me upon someone suggesting they maybe scum.  D34th has stayed off my radar after suspecting him early on, but this has drawn my attention back to him.  This type of phrased reply is something I've used before as a scum when heat started going my way...the old "vote me and see you're wrong" type comments. 

Yehom's argument with Mandarijn as I type this is also rather defensive.  Mandarijn currently seems to be egging him on and Yehom is taking the bait.  

 

The 3 I'm really choosing between atm is SM/AbT/Yehom. 

[Mandarijn]

I haven't cleared Ali btw, I just want to wait till tomorrow to see what the night brings. His story just seems more legit, he's accusing the same people as I suspect. If he's scum he wouldn't sacrifice 2 of his scum buddies to save his own, he would just be accusing others... BUT he's not doing this at all, so I have to believe him as he's the only one making sense. (I am aware he's probably the only player in this game that could pull this off as a scum, so I haven't completely wrote him off)

Seeing Ali is already at 4 votes, it's time to start another wagon.

 

Vote: Yehom

Since, I'm not a framer

Vote AbT

Since your only idea is that it must be a framer, and your just a "VT" and I must be the framer. You left your vote on Kevin even after, RCs. You tell people to take a stance with a vote, but fail to do so on your post. This day has already provided more then all the other days combine, so I'm happy now. I would take the likeliness of a paranoid cop over a framer event happening.

My list
AbT
Manda or yehom
SM
It cutter off

And maybe rhiz or Kevin, AbT is adamant about them not being a godfather role, and my belief as AbT being scummy. I cannot rule out it

You give the same list as Yehom, except for the fact that you put 'or Yehom' behind my name to distance yourself from him. 

 

This doesn't work btw.

[Yehom]

Yehom's argument with Mandarijn as I type this is also rather defensive.  Mandarijn currently seems to be egging him on and Yehom is taking the bait.  

Funny isn't it how people keep reading things that aren't there. My argument with Manda is him saying things that he deems as the truth. I ask for him to clarifying that and now he's bating me? Please, I'm not defending myself from anything at the moment.  

 

Also fact of the matter is still that someone has at least cleared me sort of with me being followed and me doing nothing. Can't say the same for Manda who magically decided to join our little conversation after D3, doing nothing for 3 straight days, not even a vote. 

[Mandarijn]

You know as well as we do that doing nothing at night doens't clear you one bit.

The ones voting for Ali need to think about who would be Ali's scum partners and why..?

[Yehom]

You know as well as we do that doing nothing at night doens't clear you one bit.

 

at least cleared me sort of with me

It really isn't that hard, also read things in context please

[Mandarijn]

 

You know as well as we do that doing nothing at night doens't clear you one bit.

 

at least cleared me sort of with me

It really isn't that hard, also read things in context please

 

Oh I've read it. 'Not one bit' aims at the 'sort of' part. So it doesn't clear you at all...

[Ali bin Turban]

@Rhizo, and anyone else, please don't vote on SM. She's an easy target but I believe she's a town (everyone want's to lynch her, just literally everyone) and that by lynching her we'll gain nothing. It'll be stupid, but it's actually better if you lynch me instead of her since that will at least prove I was right about framer and hopefully you'll see true threat. Obviously I'd rather we lynch a real scum, but if I can't have that today, let it be as much profitable to town as possible (given conditions).

 

Also Rhizo, go ahead and think. If you're not my scum partner then who could it be? As per what I've written (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58337-tw-04-harry-potter-and-the-prisoner-of-azkaban-mafia-day-4/page-22#entry886975) there's not enough people in the game to complete scum roster assuming I'm a scum and you're town.

 

Since, I'm not a framer

Vote AbT

Since your only idea is that it must be a framer, and your just a "VT" and I must be the framer. You left your vote on Kevin even after, RCs. You tell people to take a stance with a vote, but fail to do so on your post. This day has already provided more then all the other days combine, so I'm happy now. I would take the likeliness of a paranoid cop over a framer event happening.

My list
AbT
Manda or yehom
SM
It cutter off

And maybe rhiz or Kevin, AbT is adamant about them not being a godfather role, and my belief as AbT being scummy. I cannot rule out it

In the very same post you use my vote on KevinH as an argument (for what exactly? You don't seem to care to think about it, you're just listing things and pretend they're your reasoning) and still mentioning KevinH as a possible scum. If my vote on KevinH is somehow scummy, then how KevinH can be a scum? If KevinH is not a scum, then how can paranoid cop be possible?!

 

You also say I tell people to take stance with a vote...while in reality I told:

 

"You didn't took any stance here. Didn't ask any questions, didn't make a vote. Are you just waiting for the things to happen on their own?" (It's here http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58337-tw-04-harry-potter-and-the-prisoner-of-azkaban-mafia-day-4/page-20#entry886746). So yeah, I'm doing myself exactly what I expect from others and your "argument" (or actually a lie) goes down the drain.

 

@Yehom - When I said you didn't took a stance I mean on Wolfpacks results. And saying SM is probably a scum is no stance...it's just repeating what everyone say.

[Ali bin Turban]

Also town, just take a look at my scum targets. What do they say? Have they tried and think alternatives? Are they worried that they can be wrong? No, they just vote because "cop results show them to". They don't really care what happens when it'll turn out that I'm a town (or at least from your perspective "what if I turn out to be town?"). From the very beginning they knew what to do, they were just afraid to cast the first stone, because they knew the consequences.

 

That's why we got such comments like those ones:

 

Well this day keeps getting interesting. From other games, I always see this as a bad thing.

 

If the RC is right, AbT has my vote. Unhelpful is usually an indication of scum. I wouldnt mark Rhizo or Kevin out of being a godfather but looks like we wait for a counter claim. If there isn't one. We know who to lynch.

 

Empty words just aimed to bait the town to do their work.

 

But it didn't work, they got nervous after they got under pressure themselves and it caused them to pile on me with some made up stories (just take look at ISoc "arguments"). How it comes none of the confirmed town has voted yet? How it comes you people are thinking what to do and they already know the answer?

[Ali bin Turban]

Think hard town. If you make a misstep today all it takes tomorrow is just one townie making a stupid mistake (I'm looking at you SM) for the scum to pile on and secure victory.

 

Yehom is my least preferred target out of those 4, though obviously I'll vote anyone of them.

[Mandarijn]

I'm fine with lynching iSoc as well.

[Ali bin Turban]

I'm fine with lynching iSoc as well.

 

I'll vote him then. I'm almost certain ISoc is a scum while I still have some doubts about Yehom's alignment (It would be a disaster should you turn out to be scum instead of Yehom - I don't think that's the case...but technically it is possible, so I'd rather keep Yehom further in the line)

 

vote ISocialism

[Mandarijn]

I have more doubts about D34th than Yehom, but of course seeing D34th's last post that's not helping him.

You could also still be playing us, but I don't think that's the case either.

 

Unvote

Vote: iSoc

[SeaBeeGipson]

Mandarijn. Why are you so buddy buddy with AbT all of a sudden? Then you throw accusations at Yehom, Isoc, and D43th. Are you trying to find a target that you can draw the attention away from AbT? Are you trying to egg people on yo make them look scummier than they are? Interesting to how you are trying to force a 4th suspect from people when he have yet to even lynch 1 scum. Why should a full list matter at this stage? We should focus on getting some scum and using what we find later on to get the full list. It seems like you are trying to force an argument here. Definitely coming off as scum behavior to me.


My list?
AbT
SM (given AbT's defense towards her. It could be scum trying to take a townie down with him tomorrow. I still have my suspicion of her but lets see what tonight brings.)
Mandarijn
(Figure the 4th out later) could be Yehom, could be Isoc.

[SeaBeeGipson]

If this is how the town is going to be, then I genuinely want you guys to vote for me.Vote for me then you'll realize when you've killed another town that "oh, this is kinda not going good for us" this town is making me cringe every step of the way and now I feel like those accusing the most are the ones trying to stir up panic.
 
Vote: Ali Bin Turban

Why would you want town to try and vote you off in our specific situation? This town makes you cringe, but are you not part of this very town? We've had townie players act extremely scummish and get lynched because of it, yes. But reacting this way is not going to help us any further. I know for a fact on Night 2 I did nothing, because I'm a VT. I do agree with the last part, somewhat. Some have been accusing people all game, but its amazing to watch the activity of certain players jump significantly after an investigation put AbT under the spotlight (Mandarijn).

[Yehom]

I also find it interesting that Ali earlier called out Manda for being buddy buddy with him. He also said that it was suspect of me that I agreed with him on D3. Suddenly Manda is following Ali like puppy and Ali is fine with it as it seems