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[SeaBeeGipson]

Edit: I believe I messed part of my list up. I dont think with the investigation it is possible for Rhizo to be a goon either.

[Mandarijn]

How many times do I have to repeat the fact that I think that given the then current information that I had, I did think that those were the likely people to be scum. However since that post, you've made it your personal mission to repeat that and twist it to your own liking to: OMG only me and SM are scum, that's what wrong with this game OMG. I'm sure there are other people scum, but given the current information that we have, I think Manda is prime suspect at the moment. More scum will pop up eventually, but why would we get ahead of ourselves to much if an easy answer lies before us?

 

Also if you were so sure that Ali was town, why only after his death would you point out that he was the most town in the entire game. Seems a bit cheap to keep claiming to be on the side of Ali, but only after he was dead. 

It seems you haven't ever really hunted scum succesfully then. Because if you use that "I think he's scum, now I'm done with thinking untill later when we get more info to see who his scum buddies would be". Sorry, but it doesn't work that way... You always have to think further and test your theories.

But it's getting more clear now that you're probably the 3rd scum, along with Rhizo and KevinH. And WP is indeed an insane cop. You 3 are just not being helpfull to the town at all.

 

And wtf is that last sentence? You can't accuse me that I was to much buddy buddy with Ali and at the same time say I didn't defend him. I clearly stated multiple times that I didn't have cleared Ali completely (because of WP's result), but that his story sounded way more legit/believable than the other stories thrown out there, because he was the only one that was actively scum hunting in the 1st 3 days... And he was the only one thinking further than 1-2 scums and that's what you have to do as a townie. And the people I suspected were all on Ali's wagon, so the chance that he was a scum was very very slim...

[Mandarijn]

Fact of the matter is, it makes a whole lot of sense for Mandarijn to buddy up with AbT if Mandarijn is scum.  He would of known AbT was town, and AbT already had a good chance of a lynch going his way, so instead of Mandarijn being apart of the lynch, he jumped over to the defense of the town while he let some of his fellow scum buddies and town lynch AbT.  His rather extensive defense of AbT yesterday and AbT coming up town sets him up to come off town for the rest of the game and help push for the likely one more mislynch the scum need to seal the game.  There is no way someone could be so sure AbT was town, and be so adamant about defending him yesterday unless he was scum and knew AbT was town.  

Another reason that you're scum and WP is an insane cop. I already said Ali was town before WP posted his results, so there was no way in hell I could know that he had a good chance to be lynched...

 

So my scum list would be:

Rhizo (confirmed by WP)

KevinH (confirmed by WP)

Yehom (confirmed by WP)

Probably SBG, because he tries a lynch on iSoc now (he probably just wants 1 townie vote on him so the scums can hop on and win, while he warned me before that I had to be careful with my vote ), BUT this isn't 100% sure as it could be iSoc (or even D34th, but that's the least likely situation I think)

[Mandarijn]

 

Why would a scum team not kill a cop? Indeed, because he's insane...

But fine I'll wait for WP's result.
Unvote: KevinH

 

 

Why wouldn't you kill the cop, scum?  You don't have to sit there and ask...you're the scum.  My guess, because killing the cop would then ruin the theory you have about WP being insane.  You kill the cop and he comes up as a normal cop, your whole theory you thought up to use at the end of yesterday goes out the window and now everyone knows for sure we're town.  You likely only need one more mislynch, why would you ruin your best outlet/argument to get one more mislynch and end the game? 

 

I already explained in my very 1st post how I would do it. I wouldn't have killed any one last night. And beside that, why would I come up with a whole new theory if I could've just continued using the 'framed' theory as KevinH is now doing?

 

It gets clearer and clearer. If the other townies don't see this, I don't know what else I could be doing...

 

I'm very sure that WP is the insane cop now.

 

Vote: KevinH

[D34THBR1NG3R]

I didn't know when the night was gonna end so quick so i didn't trck anyone

[Sister Midnight]

 

 

Why would a scum team not kill a cop? Indeed, because he's insane...

But fine I'll wait for WP's result.
Unvote: KevinH

 

 

Why wouldn't you kill the cop, scum?  You don't have to sit there and ask...you're the scum.  My guess, because killing the cop would then ruin the theory you have about WP being insane.  You kill the cop and he comes up as a normal cop, your whole theory you thought up to use at the end of yesterday goes out the window and now everyone knows for sure we're town.  You likely only need one more mislynch, why would you ruin your best outlet/argument to get one more mislynch and end the game? 

 

I already explained in my very 1st post how I would do it. I wouldn't have killed any one last night. And beside that, why would I come up with a whole new theory if I could've just continued using the 'framed' theory as KevinH is now doing?

 

It gets clearer and clearer. If the other townies don't see this, I don't know what else I could be doing...

 

I'm very sure that WP is the insane cop now.

 

Vote: KevinH

 

Why are you so confident about Kev?  Didn't you vote ISoc?

[Mandarijn]

Check the mafia wiki for an insane cop, then look at WP's results and you'll know.

I didn't know when the night was gonna end so quick so i didn't trck anyone

This actually makes me believe you're town, because if you were scum you would probably just fabricate something if you forgot.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Check the mafia wiki for an insane cop, then look at WP's results and you'll know.

I didn't know when the night was gonna end so quick so i didn't trck anyone

This actually makes me believe you're town, because if you were scum you would probably just fabricate something if you forgot.

Assuming you are town for a moment and WP is an insane cop, it seems too easy honestly. We'd have 3 confirmed scum. TW does love to throw twists into the game, and an insane cop would definitely be a twist. I'm concerned with how close you seemed to be with AbT and how you seem to be very sure there isn't a framer and WP is for sure an insane cop. I'm not sure how you could convince me you truly are town. Just as at this point, without an investigation on you, I have no way of being 100% sure you are scum.

The only way I would be able to test this is by 1) lynching you or 2) lynching one of WP's investigations. If we as a town make the wrong choice, we lose.

The safest way in my theory would be option two HOWEVER in the event Mandarijn is still scum, we change the target to Rhizo or Yehom. Why? My theory is an investigation immune role has already been investigated, hence the scum do not fear WP. If Mandarijn is scum, he wouldn't cast his vote and try so hard for KH.

Unvote

I'm going to sleep on this idea.

[KevinH]

I clearly stated multiple times that I didn't have cleared Ali completely

 
How about this?

Isn't it obvious that I think Ali isn't scum?

Lynch all liars?

I'm looking for a framer and I believe Mandarijn knows who it is.

Vote: Mandarijn

[Mandarijn]

Multiple times isn't always, so I don't know how I'm lying? I indeed didn't say it in every post, I never said I did.

It's funny though that you 1st play the card of Ali's scum list, but now already changed to lynch me. Please enlighten me who my scum buddies would be?

[Mandarijn]

We've always lynched the easiest, most obvious person and it never turned out good (Yehom will of course say again that I wasn't around, but I came back to help the town because I still wasn't replaced). Now that easy, most obvious target is me and we'll lose from the moment 1 townie votes for me.

To make it even clearer that I'm not scum: don't you think scum would've already jumped on my wagon if 2 supposedly confirmed townies (Yehom, KevinH) voted for me? Only 3/4 scum then needs to vote for me. I guarantee you (= the other town members) that this won't happen untill one of you votes for me. If you wait with voting untill 1 day before deadline, it still wouldn't have happened as they need 1 town on my wagon. Then you will be sure that I'm town (if you are still not convinced) and you can join me on voting on the 3 confirmed scum.

[SeaBeeGipson]

I'm actually going to trust Mandarijn on this one. While I have no 100% reason to trust him, I have no 100% to not trust him.

We as a collective town need to decide where to act as we need all 5 of us to conduct a lynch before deadline. If we lack a deadline lynch of 3 at the end, scum could easily make one and we lose.

If scum hide on a scum wagon and remove their vote last second on a 3 wagon, we lose.

We need to decide whether we lynch Mandarijn and follow the theory of a framer.

Or

We lynch KevinH (or Rhizo) and follow the idea of an insane cop/GF already being investigated.

I dont include Yehom as he was investigated AFTER WP claimed. If the godfather had already been investigated, it lays between those 2.

If we lynch wrong, we lose. I'm willing to take the blame if we lose. Hell, I've been on the wrong wagon all game so far. Honestly, I feel I've played this game horribly.

While I ended yesterday knowing I'd be gunning for Mandarijn and began today with still thinking he is scum. I felt Isocialism would've been the best bet. After looking at the possibility Mandarijn COULD BE town, as he echoes the same cries we've heard from Robert and AbT, I think an insane cop is just as possible as a framer.

Vote KevinH

Plus, it sounds more fun of an idea to have an insane cop than a framer.

[Sister Midnight]

My gut is right more often than it is wrong, and it was right about ABT. My gut is that Mandy is town. I think his defense of ABT probably plays a role in that.

[The Warrior]

"We tried to shut Percy in a pyramid. But Mum spotted us."

 

Vote Count

 

Mandarijn (2): Yehom, KevinH

KevinH (2): Mandarijn, King Hitler

D34THBR1NG3R (0):

iSocialism (0):

King Hitler (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

Sister Midnight (0):

Wolfpacks (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: D34THBR1NG3R, iSocialism, Rhizoctonia, Sister Midnight, Wolfpacks

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 1:00pm CST on Friday, November 18th.

[KevinH]

What we know:
 

Wolfpacks: Claimed Cop
D34THBR1NG3R: Claimed tracker (but could be mafia tracker)
 
KevinH: Investigated as town and tracked doing nothing.
Yehom: Investigated as town and tracked doing nothing (could be mafia godfather)
Rhizoctonia: Investigated as town (could be mafia godfather)
 
SeaBeeGipson: Not investigated but tracked doing nothing
 
Mandarijn: Not investigated
Sister Midnight: Not investigated
iSocialism: Not investigated
 

Analysis:

The framer is among Mandarijn, Sister Midnight, and iSocialism.  
I think Mandarijn is the best candidate for lynch based on his insistence of Wolfpacks being insane when a framer is a better explanation.
 
SeaBeeGipson is joining Mandarijn in the vote on me so that makes me suspicious of him as well.
 
Wolfpacks is the most townie in my mind and I am willing to vote with him if he thinks there is a better candidate than Mandarijn.

[Rhizoctonia]

The way I see it, it's highly likely Yehom or Kevin is an investigated immunity scum.  That being said, at this point I feel Mandarijn is the most likely a scum out of anyone.  Sea has seemingly changed his point of view...but I'm not feeling his confrontation with Mand was fake or setup, thus ATM I doubt he's a scum partner with Mand.   SM has been all over the place with votes, and isocialism has been fairly quiet.  D34th could be a part of the 4th scum, though I don't know how common a mafia tracker really is for scum.  

[Yehom]

I think Kevin's list has covered basically everything that is known at this moment. That being said I think it’s clear that there are indeed a couple of categories of people at this moment. Wolfpacks being the one that stands out the most being the cop. Death has roleclaimed as well being the tracker which puts him pretty much the same level of town as Wolfpacks. I highly doubt that Death is a mafia tracker from a game standpoint. Seeing how Death played so far, he has been pretty pro-town, roleclaiming after Wolfpacks roleclaimed to provide additional information to the investigations that Wolfpacks made.

 

Then there is the 3 people that were investigated by Wolfpacks being Kevin, Rhizo and me. Rhizo said that there is a likelihood that either me or Kevin have a investigation immunity of some sort. I find that funny seeing as from my side, it’s obviously either you or Kevin being the one that could potentially be the godfather. Fact of the matter is that Kevin and myself have been tracked as well so if there were a godfather, my bet would be that Rhizo is the godfather as he hasn’t been tracked and to my knowledge a godfather has an immunity to investigation, but not tracking and following (correct me if I’m wrong on this). This however doesn’t exclude the possibility that Kevin is the godfather, but with the information that we have now, I assume it’s more likely that Rhizo would be the godfather if there was one.

 

Last category people haven’t been investigated, which include SGB, SM, Manda and iSoc.
SGB has been tracked and nothing was found. This proves nothing, but it does say something. Also overall he has been playing very pro-town in my opinion.
SM has been making really weird calls the whole game. The very late votes on 1cecream (+ a weird request for an extension) and Ali. She is not helping the conversation at all at the moment, instead she just jumps with whatever wagon she sees fit. There isn’t even a reasonable explanation for why she jumps on the wagons (seeing how she first jumped off of the Ali wagon, but later joined it anyway).
Manda was inactive for the first 3 days. D4 starts and accusations fly left right and center. Became very buddy buddy with Ali as soon as he was pretty set on getting lynched. According to him he said that he thought that Ali was the most town of the entire game, but during that day not much of a defense was mounted to protect a fellow townie. Come next day and immediately rushes town that ‘we can’t afford another mislynch’, so don’t lynch me. Immediately doubted the cop after Wolfpacks revealed his results. Why would you automatically assume that the cop is insane when 3 townies pop up from his investigations? There are still more townies left than scum so there is a better chance for the cop to find a townie than scum. Nobody town would just assume that the cop is insane. To me that sounds like a scum move trying to get townies killed.
iSoc I really can’t get a read on. He’s pretty inactive and his posts haven’t been the greatest contribution to the game as well. I’m really 50/50 on him. Him not being investigated, tracked or followed doesn’t help though.

 

My vote on Manda still stands. I’m thinking that SM is pretty much scum as well. There could be a godfather between Kevin and Rhizo and iSoc could be scum potentially as well but it's hard to tell from someone that is inactive at this moment. That makes 3 or 4 names. Here you have your fourth name Manda. I hope you’re happy about it as you seem to pull so much weight and importance on that number.
 

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 Fact of the matter is that Kevin and myself have been tracked as well so if there were a godfather, my bet would be that Rhizo is the godfather as he hasn’t been tracked and to my knowledge a godfather has an immunity to investigation, but not tracking and following (correct me if I’m wrong on this). This however doesn’t exclude the possibility that Kevin is the godfather, but with the information that we have now, I assume it’s more likely that Rhizo would be the godfather if there was one.

 

 

 

 

You do realize that you and Kevin being tracked means absolutely nothing.  Being tracked and not having any results does not exclude you from being the Godfather, nor does it mean there's any less chance of you being it.  A godfather would have investigation immunity, that's it.  The Godfather doesn't have a power role outside of that, that they would preform at night, so if you were tracked as a godfather it of course would come up with doing nothing, because you have no night actions to make.  It proves absolutely nothing that you were tracked and you didn't do an action, all it proves is you either don't have a night action or didn't use it that night.  It also doesn't exclude you from being a possible mafia ninja either, as a tracker wouldn't be able to catch them doing the action, though unless the Ninja also has investigation immunity, you wouldn't come up town from WP. 

[KevinH]

Note to self: Make a ninja godfather in a future game.

 

In terms of this game, any of those investigated as town could be godfathers.

 

Being tracked and seen doing nothing isn't conclusive but it's better than nothing.  

Somebody on the scum team has to deliver the kill and the tracker has to pick the right scum on the right night to see something.

 

I would assume the framer would have an action every night.  If they are seen, they could claim that they were doing some sort of protection, but that hasn't happened.  Those that were seen doing nothing are most likely not the framer.

 

A mafia tracker would be unusual, but so would a framer or insane cop.  I know there's a framer in the game so this game is already in the unusual category.

[Mandarijn]

After 2 days of silence, the 3 scums come out to discuss a bit with eachother, to confuse us even more. Nice try!

Kevin's list helps us nothing, just like it did yesterday. If you don't use your opinions/feelings on people you're doomed to lose as a townie... And that's exactly what you're trying to do again.

I'll post more tonight when I'm on my laptop, but I think most things have been said already and those 3 are just trying everything to get that last mislynch! We just have to be careful of the 4th scum (SBG or iSoc, my money is still on SBG, but he's playing it smart now to remove suspicion on him when we lynch the other 3 scums. It might work, because when I'm killed next night who's gonna remind the town of this? Or of course it can still be iSoc... Then SBG just hasn't played pro-town on D3.).