894 replies to this topic

[Falzis]

That's a bad joke to make haha.

VOTE COUNT
Falzis (3): Martino, Theophilos, KevinH
KevinH (2): Electric Mango, Narsis

Not Voting (7): sojourner, Nerau, Sir Jesus, partyin01, Falzis, Kaziocore, Aquinas

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

By the way, sorry about my lack of posting. I've had several MRI's and CT scans, there's an abcess in my sinus cavity and I recently had a (first) seizure.

Bloody hell.
Consider yourself V/LA for as long as you need. If you want to be replaced, let me know.
Get well soon, mate.

Edited by molestargazer, 20 June 2009 - 05:28 PM.

[Narsis]

My most likely to be scum list right now would be:

1. KevinH
2. Theophilos
3. Nerau
4. Narsis
5. sojourner
6. Martino
7. Aquinas
8. Sir Jesus
9. Electric Mango

KevinH has been muddling the discussion with the No Lynch debate since D1 and trying to portray Pro-Lynch on D1 townies as scums, which is misleading if not disingenuous to say the least. Plus jumping on my wagon putting me at a L-1 vote (if no majority, half majority which is 4 - kevin knows this). And he is the veteran player I've been alluding to in my past posts. I think he correctly guessed junk as the cop due to his role fishing posts.

Which would have been a pretty nice guess. most likely nerau was in the right when he said that they lynched junk due to his activity. it's rare for even mafia to get any good reads on people after a day like day 1...

Theophilos because of walking step by step with KevinH with little added value, if any. Lied low in D1. Jumping on my wagon with little ambiguous reasons (which makes it hard for me to defend, if you are town putting pressure on people you give them opportunity to defend themselves).

Nerau is very mysterious. His recent (incorrect) assessment of KevinH's is off. Call it gut feel or intuition but the main reason I'm suspicious of him is because he auspiciously posted right after the Night Kill, and with a nonchalant reply ("wow that was lucky" instead of "oh my god our cop is dead that was one lucky kill"). It suggests to me that maybe he was active when the NK was sent and that his reply is not indicative of concern for townie welfare. I know it might be a stretch but I'm just putting this out here.

Narsis is unusually not as talkative and articulate as before so I'm putting him here due to meta game suspicions. He has been keeping his opinions close to his chest and even when prodded is a bit vague.

actually, if you read my games besides these last few, then you will see that i'm generally quieter on the first few days.

sojourner because of my original suspicions of him. Not much to go by but that's also the reason I think he's scum due to playing under the radar. New players to Mafia would be very interested and participative in the game.

now that is false reasoning. it's the person, not their experience that determines how active they are, especially when they are new. i disagree entirely with your analysis of soj.

Martino is actually more townie than scummy in my perception. His voting for me is both townie and scummy since it could be a strategic pressure on me (which I appreciate btw since I've been the one putting the pressure before his post) or it could be an opportunistic jump on an easy person to argue voting for (since I have lots of posts to analyze). But the clincher is his engagement of not only my posts but others as well. He has consistently called out KevinH since D1 on disputable statements. Not giving a free pass to KevinH is definitely pro townie for me.

I peg Aquinas, Sir Jesus, and EM as most townie because of their agreement and defense of me since I know I'm townie and it's unscummy to not jump on my wagon right now because I am an easy pick with all the posts they can use to argue for my head. But I'm not giving them a free pass so I'm still cautious. Their activity is good and have substance too. I'd like for Aquinas to post more though.

the first part is total WIFOM. i wouldn't put it past scum to side with a townie in a debate, especially if both sides are townie. you will generally find scum smarter then you are assuming.

This is not full proof since statistically one of the top four people I've listed could still be townie and I am reading them wrong. But nevertheless I think that at least two of the top four people I've listed are scum.

(no reads on party01 and Kaziocore, nothing really to get by)

Sorry for the long post.

i actually enjoy people posting such long and detailed posts.

answers in bold.

tl;dr: i don't agree with most of Falzis's reasoning.

[Narsis]

I can't believe how hard this game could be. I think most of the time you win this game through luck.

a little luck never hurts. although phycoanalysis and logic do play a greater role imo. takes some practice.

one way you could start, is by doing a post similar to Falzis on who you think is scum and why.

[Falzis]

Could you do that too Narsis?

[Narsis]

like i said i'm watching a few people...

[Narsis]

EBWOP: that said...i should and probably will if i have some time later(poor excuse i know).

[sojourner]

Narsis ..you left out commenting on some people in Falzis post.,

for instance no remarks on
Theo
Nerau
Martino
Aquinas

comments on
me, soj
yourself
Kevin
Aquinas
EM
SJ

any reason you did not comment on the first 4? sojourner

As for my vote, it still seems odd that Nerau has not put out any theories...

VOTE NERAU

[Nerau]

ok if a theory you want a theory you get

KevinH or Falzis could be scum or could be two townies fighting each other it is hard to tell at the moment since it appears to me that neither is scum at the moment

Nerau is very mysterious. His recent (incorrect) assessment of KevinH's is off. Call it gut feel or intuition but the main reason I'm suspicious of him is because he auspiciously posted right after the Night Kill, and with a nonchalant reply ("wow that was lucky" instead of "oh my god our cop is dead that was one lucky kill"). It suggests to me that maybe he was active when the NK was sent and that his reply is not indicative of concern for townie welfare. I know it might be a stretch but I'm just putting this out here.

ok on to this i will tell you that i just lucky duck to find the thread open a few minutes after mole unlocked, which can be called me searching will being bored

i maybe right or wrong but that is ok since it opens info to be used plus i kinda of probably don't understand what you are saying which is to part of the problem

we can all claim to be town but is completely unlikely since the game is still going

a good mafia can hide in the town without getting picked up by anyone and those are the scary ones, it means that you wont know until the last minute. a good town can find the mafia without a lot of time. in each of these cases the other side is completely screw. but this easy way out may never happen since as people we make mistakes, which is why we put pressure on players so they slip up

sojouner i believe to be town enough he voted but he only vote so that i can speak more and it helps the town more

Martino i believe is also town b/c as falsiz said he only help put pressure for explainations to happen

Theo is hard to tell simply b/c he may be scum but could also be a new player just getting his wings i believe is more of the second case.

narsis just being himself and absorbing the info a trying to make sense of things which a good townie should do

Aquinas, Kaizcore, Party i can pick up anything to tell either way at the moment

[Narsis]

Narsis ..you left out commenting on some people in Falzis post.,

for instance no remarks on
Theo
Nerau
Martino
Aquinas

comments on
me, soj
yourself
Kevin
Aquinas
EM
SJ

any reason you did not comment on the first 4? sojourner

umm...i had nothing to comment on. either i agreed with what Falzis said, or at the very least saw no real logic errors.

[KevinH]

Going back, my whole case against Falzis stems from his voting to lynch and then making a few semi-misleading statements.

It's not a very strong case but I don't see anything better.

We should lynch somebody today. Vote and make your opinions known!

jumping on my wagon putting me at a L-1 vote

To me, L-1 means the next vote lynches. That will not be true until the deadline. My vote stands.

[Electric Mango]

I agree with KevinH. If everyone votes it will start to become a lot more clear for the town where alliances stand. Remember that scum will not want attention brought on them so they'll try not to vote if they can help it. They would be happy just to sit back and pick us off one by one. Also voting can create pressure and the dialogs that develop from that will give us good insight.

[Falzis]

Ok let me concretize my suspicions.

Vote: KevinH

[KevinH]

Haiku:

junkahoolic died
was it electric mango
or was it falzis

[Falzis]

Misleading. If you follow your own previous logic, your suspicion should be on sojourner. I'd be very surprised if you weren't scum Kevin. All of your actions have only buttressed my belief in your scuminess.

[sojourner]

Nerau came through as suspected so

Unvote Nerau

Now, Falsis or Kevin

[KevinH]

However, the case against Sojourner is weak because if I were scum I would kill somebody that voted for Sojourner so it looked like Sojourner was scum. A big WIFOM ...

Tell me again about my previous logic.

[Falzis]

This was your original logic

* Junkahoolic had his vote on Sojourner.
* Junkahoolic got killed.
* FOS: Sojourner

This was your revisionist logic when I, EM, and Sir Jesus shot you down for simplistic reasoning.

However, the case against Sojourner is weak because if I were scum I would kill somebody that voted for Sojourner so it looked like Sojourner was scum. A big WIFOM ...

Plus you yourself has noted that it's a big WIFOM.

My vote and EM's were one of the only votes on D1 (I think there were 4 who voted) and that alone should signify major townie points for the audacity to have voting patterns read and stick our heads out for scum like you who blend in the background and pounce on active posters.

[KevinH]

If you follow your own previous logic, your suspicion should be on sojourner.

Plus you yourself has noted that it's a big WIFOM.

So should my suspicion be on Sojourner or not?

[Sir Jesus]

Question to the mod: What is the status on our inactive players?


I feel like everyone is afraid to vote, because if a townie is lynched then there is 'evidence' that the people who voted for them are "the most likely to be scum" and will receive votes. At the moment, KevinH's logic seems the most off at the moment. KevinH, if you want me to switch my vote build me a case that is stronger than the one against you (which is weak).

Vote KevinH

[Falzis]

2 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
2 Members: .::GROUP NAME::. Falzis, .::GROUP NAME::. Aquinas

I see you.