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[Falzis]

i was speaking from an objective point of view. earlier Nerau quit(asked for replacement and subsequently went inactive) due to pressure by me and EM. the fact that he caved under the pressure and quit, shows that he was taking pressure, enough to cause him to quit. if he was a powerrole, then he likely would have claimed, leaving the options that he was townie or mafia. he really could have been either, but caving under pressure is something more often attributed to newer mafia then to a townie.

But how do you know he caved under pressure? Did he really leave because of pressure or some other real life or lost interest in the game reasons?

And your post is just full of WIFOM. It's like you're implicitly telling everyone that you (Nerau-Narsis) have a powerrole. You put this out here yourself so I'm not role fishing.

I wonder if this is intentional or a slip up?

VOTE COUNT
Falzis (3): KevinH, Theophilos, CanucksDynasty
Sir Jesus (1): Electric Mango
Electric Mango (1): Martino
KevinH (1): Falzis

Not Voting (4): Narsis, Kaziocore, Aquinas, Sir Jesus

Edited by molestargazer, 18 July 2009 - 05:30 PM.

[Electric Mango]

I don't find what Narsis said to be scummy at all. IMO he giving his honest take on what he's been seeing. I don't see how he's claiming to have a power role in anything that he posted. In fact he's saying the opposite, that if Nerau (now Narsis) did have a power role that he would have role claimed, which he didn't. If Narsis is saying anything it's that Nerau was a newbie scum who caved under pressure.

I doubt however that Nerau/Narsis is scum because why would he post this if he was? Yes I've heard of WIFOM but IMO this is not something that Narsis would have done. He was under no pressure when he posted that and I doubt that he would dare post anything controversial if he feared being caught as scum.

[Falzis]

Well, I don't think Nerau was near the threshold of a pressure cooker to role claim since it was just you and Narsis who put pressure on him. And I didn't say what Narsis said was necessarily scummy, I just said is he implying something?

[Narsis]

i have only been active in one game the other i simply got replaced early

i wanted to try to play this and it seems time is not something i have to much off

narsis you have my play style since the time i have is lacking i would post more but work seems to be piling up and i have to do that first

as more my opinions i have already stated them as above and nothing has changed since then plus as you say i am fencing sitting since i can't make my mind up, i can't read people for luck of god.

i wish i could make better sense of this all but not enough to push for pressure.

since i do wish for the town i wish to be replaced

i don't have time and i believe all they are going to do is waste a vote

pressure my friend ^. granted it wans't a lot and it could be read a number of ways, but he was feeling pressure. enough so that he quit.

anyway i'm short on time(again stupid RL) so i'll have to leave that other question still longer...

[Narsis]

Why do you doubt anyone would have switched (and just to clarify, what case, my "weak" case?)

BTW, since you are here, and you can step in mole if this is out of line (since you just said no asking on the weak doc role), could you tell me why you believed in my case against soj and voted with me?

And would you have voted for KevinH or me if the soj case wasn't made?

ok here we go:

Why didn't i think anyone would switch? well, first i know that i wouldn't have switched unless a better case came along and i would assume the same for you, EM, and Aquinas just based on how you play the game. kaziocore is a bit of a wild card, but i think she/he(?) wouldn't have either without a good case. second, Nerau and Calder/party were inactive. so even if SJ voted for you, I doubt that you would have died.

now as for why i believed your case...: i realized there were some shortcomings and assumptions made that could prove false. that said it was logically based and was imo a better case then the one against you. also, even if we were wrong and soj was a townie, he wasn't a particularily active one. there was another reason but it seems to have slipped my mind.

before the soj case was made i was voting for KevinH and likely wouldn't have changed.

[Falzis]

So where is Kevin in your sights right now? What do you think of him? Are you more likely to vote for him again or not?

[Narsis]

I'm keeping an eye on him as with everyone else. I think that he is playing below his usual capability. I cannot say at this time.

[KevinH]

I'm keeping an eye on him as with everyone else. I think that he is playing below his usual capability. I cannot say at this time.

It's difficult to know anything. It's a bit random but we just need to lynch someone and see where it goes from there.

[Narsis]

no not just lynch someone. if we just lynch someone, then odds are the town is going to lose. we need to lynch intelligently.

[Sir Jesus]

It's difficult to know anything. It's a bit random but we just need to lynch someone and see where it goes from there.

This statement really rubs me the wrong way... I mean really badly. You are correct, it is a bit random but we definitely shouldn't "just need to lynch someone and see where it goes from there." As Narsis said, our votes need to be based on educated decisions and not just try to move the game along. My vote is my only power and I treasure my ability to influence the game. I don't want to disregard any evidence, subtle or not."

I really don't like that statement, and throughout this game I haven't had a good feeling about you...

vote: KevinH

[KevinH]

I really don't like that statement, and throughout this game I haven't had a good feeling about you...

And what will you say about your feelings when I am proven to be townie?

[CanucksDynasty]

And what will you say about your feelings when I am proven to be townie?

but what if you prove to be scum?

[CanucksDynasty]

I'll post more later.
Got work to do this morning.

[Sir Jesus]

And what will you say about your feelings when I am proven to be townie?

"Damn, damn, damn, it really sucks that I was wrong."

I'd have to imagine I'd say something like that.

I feel like that is a relatively weak defense, any person in the game could respond with that question.

[KevinH]

"Damn, damn, damn, it really sucks that I was wrong."

I'd have to imagine I'd say something like that.

I feel like that is a relatively weak defense, any person in the game could respond with that question.

no not just lynch someone. if we just lynch someone, then odds are the town is going to lose. we need to lynch intelligently.

It's difficult to know anything. It's a bit random but we just need to lynch someone and see where it goes from there.

Any person could respond that way; hence my thoughts that it is a bit random.

How do we lynch intelligently? My answer is that we focus on those that have lynched known townies; not those about which we have a bad feeling because they state the obvious fact that we have little data upon which to act.

[Narsis]

Vote: KevinH

[Electric Mango]

I'm leaving my vote where it is for now. If it becomes a two horse race between Falzis and KevinH I will be switching my vote to Kevin. I believe he has a greater chance at being scum. He was misleading with his quote from mafia scum, as well as the little incident where he was accused of misleading the town again by Falzis.

FOS KevinH

[KevinH]

if we just lynch someone, then odds are the town is going to lose.

I am just someone. You must want the town to lose.

[Falzis]

How do we lynch intelligently? My answer is that we focus on those that have lynched known townies; not those about which we have a bad feeling because they state the obvious fact that we have little data upon which to act.

You could be really a townie but really, I haven't heard a systematic or comprehensive defense from you. When a suspicion is thrown your way you either shrug it off or give a short post.

Plus if I remember correctly your meta games, you post quite succinctly possible scenarios that could arise from different actions. I haven't seen that anywhere during this whole game.

[Kaziocore]

Now I'm really confused...