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[Robert2424]

When the most scummy player gets replaced. There is an argument he should have a fresh slate, and an argument he inherits the past players problems. I think it should be both, but annoyed when this sort of thing happens. 

[iSocialism]

Any replacement would need extra time, and it's understandable. However, you're kind of asking not to be lynch, saying you can provide us with the answers after d2. Which would mean we either no-lynch or lynch someone else. You are most likely the person to lynch on multiple people list. At least under captain 's previous play style.

Pretty much I'm rambling, though I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you can be active and add stuff. I'll give you the extra day, but if you're not. You will be my lynch on d3, assuming not much change.

[LordSunday]

As happy as I am to see a new active player coming into the mix, there's little doubt in my mind about captain's player... I'll give KitKat a little time to explain but at this point the character in general is top of my list.

[Electric Mango]

Thanks for jumping in the game KitKat. Good luck trying to save your skin. It seems like a lot of people already have their minds made up about you.

[Kitkat16]

Well, because captain has been inactive I have taken 15 minutes out of my day (despite being very busy) to read this thread, because given captain's inactivity I thought it was unfair on you guys to have to wait an extra day. It's difficult for me to comment on the machinations of captain's mind, however reading the posts as an objective bystander (as it were) and knowing his role I can only say it's inexperience. I just don't have time for a detailed evaluation of each of his posts (let alone speculation as to possible scum) until later. But some comments:

 

- His post on the first day is easily attributable to noobishness. TW says it makes even more sense if the other scum (are there two scum in this game, or more? I found the description of the setup slightly confusing nvm, reread it and it's clear there are two) was voting for him. But I don't think it makes it *THAT* much more sense than the explanation captain already gave. I have to say that most people had decided to give the noob explanation a pass, and I find it slightly suspicious that TW started pushing this argument. For reasons others have said in this thread, he's already a somewhat/ slightly suspicious character for making it to day 2. This is not an OMGUS situation, it's just me genuinely saying what I think to be true.

 

- Captain's failure to withdraw his vote I'd put down to it simply not occurring to him to withdraw it. There was no possibility at that point of TW getting lynched, so it's not some kind of genius masterplan to get TW lynched by keeping his vote on him. He simply kept his vote on TW while considering whether to vote for someone else (as he explained.) Shrug. It's not that compelling a piece of evidence, at least in my eyes.

 

- Captain *HAS* been quite inactive throughout this game, but that's not some scum masterplan either, as we can see from the fact that I've had to replace him. He's just inactive for other reasons.... probably not committed to the game. I am known for being hyperactive on these forums and I can confirm that I'll be around and about, assuming that you guys don't lynch me. So inactivity on his part is not a good reason to lynch.

[Kitkat16]

depending on how things go, I'll roleclaim if I have to

[LordSunday]

depending on how things go, I'll roleclaim if I have to

 

Ok... Reading that there are only two possible things you could claim (besides scum):

 

1) Vanilla Townie

2) Town Power Role

 

If you claim 1, you're claim means nada, because everyone can claim that.

If you claim 2, you'd be killed by scum tonight because there's either only 1 or 2 town power roles out there.

 

Roleclaim is pointless because it'll either be weightless or set you up to get killed, and in the end the statement that you will roleclaim in my opinion sounds like a desperation move not to get lynched.

[Kitkat16]

 

depending on how things go, I'll roleclaim if I have to

 

Ok... Reading that there are only two possible things you could claim (besides scum):

 

1) Vanilla Townie

2) Town Power Role

 

If you claim 1, you're claim means nada, because everyone can claim that.

If you claim 2, you'd be killed by scum tonight because there's either only 1 or 2 town power roles out there.

 

Roleclaim is pointless because it'll either be weightless or set you up to get killed, and in the end the statement that you will roleclaim in my opinion sounds like a desperation move not to get lynched.

 

 

That hadn't really occurred to me. I simply saw roleclaiming as a common thing people do when possibly on the verge of being lynched. There are all sorts of options that you need to consider, though. If I roleclaimed a power role then tonight I could be protected by a townie with a power role. I could be a one-shot bulletproof (although I'm not.) And it would be too risky to claim a power role if I didn't really have it, because I could be claiming something that someone else has. It'd be shooting my last chance of not getting lynched in the foot. All I'm saying is that you're a little quick to jump to conclusions.

 

But of course you're right that roleclaiming is a last resort. The fact that I'm not doing so yet means that I'm not quite at the point of desperation. But I can certainly see that I'm in hot water here (due to no fault of my own )

[Robert2424]

while it might be "common place". We don't need a mass roleclaim. We should also watch to see if people try to strong arm multiple people to role claim. I can see Scum trying it to try to eliminate the power townies. Or at least in cress there chances. 

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Kitkat16 (1): LordSunday,
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
The Warrior (0):
Electric Mango (0):
LordSunday (0):
Finster Baby (0):
Robert2424 (0):

No lynch:

Not voting: Kitkat16, iSocialism, Finster Baby, Robert2424, Electric Mango, The Warrior, Rafay,

 
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Wednesday, April 5, at 12:00 EDT.

[iSocialism]

Even hinted at having a role shouldn't be done. Unless you can confirm scum or you are on the chopping block. Saying your VT, can be done, but really it only implies that you're playing mafia. Everyone will say they're not scum aka VT. Saying you will role claim if you have to. Is threatening to say. Don't vote for me or the scum will know who I'm...

I believe you said you read the thread. Who would you put on the chopping block instead of you and why?

[Kitkat16]

Even hinted at having a role shouldn't be done. Unless you can confirm scum or you are on the chopping block. Saying your VT, can be done, but really it only implies that you're playing mafia. Everyone will say they're not scum aka VT. Saying you will role claim if you have to. Is threatening to say. Don't vote for me or the scum will know who I'm...

I believe you said you read the thread. Who would you put on the chopping block instead of you and why?

 

I haven't the faintest idea who the scum is. I do not have time right now to go through this thread with a fine tooth comb. As for saying that what I'm really saying is "don't vote for me or the scum will know who I am", no, I insinuated nothing of the kind. What simply went through my mind was "well, as a last resort, i'll roleclaim if i have to, i am not going down without using every option available to me."

[Robert2424]

To answer tw. Mainly I used to play game days were 72 hours long. My view of activity is different then people here. Old habits die hard. So I see post count halfway through day under 10 low. So gave up half way through when most people were below that margin.

As for my unvoting. It's common for me to jump votes day one. In that case, I felt my vote wasn't doing anymore good so I removed it. I could of been harsher on captain, but decided not to. I'm not one for day one lynches in general.

[The Warrior]

I'm glad to see that captainjf was replaced since he didn't feel that he was active enough for the game. So, welcome Kitkat! Now, to address a few things that you said:

 

Well, because captain has been inactive I have taken 15 minutes out of my day (despite being very busy) to read this thread, because given captain's inactivity I thought it was unfair on you guys to have to wait an extra day. It's difficult for me to comment on the machinations of captain's mind, however reading the posts as an objective bystander (as it were) and knowing his role I can only say it's inexperience. I just don't have time for a detailed evaluation of each of his posts (let alone speculation as to possible scum) until later. But some comments:

 

- His post on the first day is easily attributable to noobishness. TW says it makes even more sense if the other scum (are there two scum in this game, or more? I found the description of the setup slightly confusing nvm, reread it and it's clear there are two) was voting for him. But I don't think it makes it *THAT* much more sense than the explanation captain already gave. I have to say that most people had decided to give the noob explanation a pass, and I find it slightly suspicious that TW started pushing this argument. For reasons others have said in this thread, he's already a somewhat/ slightly suspicious character for making it to day 2. This is not an OMGUS situation, it's just me genuinely saying what I think to be true.

Captain's explanation left something to be desired. In fact, his explanation was nothing more than what I stated specifically before he offered a defense. His defense was:

 

 

 

Like you said, I'm new and just saw people voting for you, so I did as well

This is hardly a good enough reason for me to suddenly have to say "Nvm. Your vote for me was justified." Was this action due to being new? Almost certainly, but that does not exclude him (you) from being scum. And at the very least, assuming captainjf is town, a third bandwagon vote on a player early on day 1 is not an action that benefits the town.

 

The second part of your quote above is also pretty unfair. Obviously I understand that if I was scum I wouldn't be killed on night 1. However, how is it fair that a single player is killed on night 1 of every game or they are automatically scum? Why would that person even attempt to play the game? You are either killed before you can do anything as town or you are automatically lynched for being scum. There are several perfectly valid reasons why I might not have been killed on night 1 and they were posted towards the beginning of day 2.

 

The fact remains that several things captainjf did on day 1 were suspicious: Placing the third vote on a bandwagon. Misspeaking about his activity in post #40 and then ignoring LordSunday's call out on it. And then going generally inactive. There are other possible explanations for these actions as well but they still stand out.

 

Now, even though the majority of discussion has been about captainjf up to this point, we really need to start pressing other people as well. IF (and that's a big IF) captainjf is not scum it likely means the two scum are just sitting back and enjoying the fact that they don't have to do anything since we are zeroing in on a townie to lynch.

 

Does anyone else care to put together a list of the players in the game with their detailed thoughts on each player? EM, Finster, Robert?

 

 

To answer tw. Mainly I used to play game days were 72 hours long. My view of activity is different then people here. Old habits die hard. So I see post count halfway through day under 10 low. So gave up half way through when most people were below that margin.

Inactivity is frustrating. The active players need to push those that aren't for answers so that lurking/inactive scum don't just get a free pass. I've seen you actively scum hunt in other games with low activity but this one feels a little bit different.

[LordSunday]

Does anyone else care to put together a list of the players in the game with their detailed thoughts on each player? EM, Finster, Robert?

 

Even though I wasn't in that list, I can still share my thoughts and my full list below:

 

 

 

The Warrior - Has actively been pursuing possible scums, shares a very similar list to myself and others, and has good general thoughts/activity. Leaning town

 

iSocialism - Looks to pursue those who are on the lynching block or the general scum list, shares his thoughts on other posts, definitely not of my active list but I'm not yet sure. Leaning Neutral/No Read

 

Rafay - My thoughts with Rafay swing very heavily on whatever happens with captain (now KitKat). Rafay is on my list and a lot of others because of his active defense of captain in D1, then placing captain (now KitKat) onto his list with little to no comment on the matter today. He hasn't pressed him at all, nor really actively yet after anyone else. He's also had a couple moments where he has shown OMGUS-type quality (for instance, placing TW and myself on his list after being asked to clarify and answer some questions). I don't get a good vibe from him, and if we lynched KitKat today and they turned scum Rafay would be my go to for D3. Leaning scum

 

Finster Baby - For some reason, I feel like I've barely heard anything out of Finster. Either way, his main plus so far has been that he actively pursued captain for a little while on D1 (who is currently my #1). However, that's not enough for me to say he's town, but if KitKat flips scummy then Finster would be a lot more green in my eyes. Leaning Neutral/No Read

 

Electric Mango - Like Finster for some reason I feel like I've barely heard anything from EM. I know he's been active though, and reading what TW said it does make some sense the entire theory regarding EM pressing TW D1. But that is not yet enough for me to clear him as town in my book. As we go into D3 or seeing where he votes today will probably help me to make up my mind better on him. Leaning Neutral/No Read

 

KitKat16 (formerly captainjf) - Has lived in my book since about midway through D1. They put a third vote on TW on D1 and claimed it to be a noob mistake (which I gave it the benefit of the doubt for a little bit to see how the character developed). But, when asked why he didn't yet unvote, things started to turn in a more scummy direction. He claimed he hadn't unvoted because it was his first time being online since he had voted, when there was already another post in between the two where he made his claim of a noob mistake. Since then, his answers were simply a reflection of the exact words provided to him. His sudden inactivity also hints to me he may have just realized he messed up as a scum and had no chance of surviving. Regardless, captain/KitKat is the number 1 on my scum list and if lynched I would be thoroughly shocked to see them flip town. Leaning scum

 

Robert2424 - Robert has been quite quiet, but I can give him the pass for RL for now... On D1 he put the first responding vote onto captain for TW vote fiasco, but as pointed out it does not clear him since he was also quick to unvote, and after that never gave much pressure to captain or anyone else. He took a while to come in on D2 (once again, RL pass), and I'm hoping to at least see some thoughts out of him before end of the day, also to see where his vote goes. Leaning Neutral/No Read

 

 

 

Finally, I do have to agree with TW about pressing other people beyond just captain/KitKat, but on the same note I'd be so shocked if KitKat didn't flip scum that I probably wouldn't even know what to think from there.

[Finster Baby]

I'll be the first to admit, my activity this game hasn't been to my standard, RL plus maybe a bit of mafia fatigue has contributed.

Unfortunately for Kitkat (Welcome, BTW), his character dug him into a hole I'm not sure he can escape.

I have a lot of no reads as well, LS. I switch back and forth on Rafay, same with Robert. Either could potentially be scum. Plus, as was mentioned by TW, the scum could be pushing KitKat and just sitting back waiting for us to mislynch and be that much closer to winning.

A strange game, this one is.

[Kitkat16]

If I had known what a mess I was going to be handed, I wouldn't have agreed to take over from captain. Gah.

[Electric Mango]

Good explanation KitKat. I appreciate you putting in the effort to catch up and participate in the game. Your explanation rings true to me and I do not think your character acted any more scummy than anyone else up to this point.

TW seems very convinced you are scum but that only makes me more suspicious of him. It's still too early in the game to have any feelings on anyone else at the moment.

[Kitkat16]

Good explanation KitKat. I appreciate you putting in the effort to catch up and participate in the game. Your explanation rings true to me and I do not think your character acted any more scummy than anyone else up to this point.

TW seems very convinced you are scum but that only makes me more suspicious of him. It's still too early in the game to have any feelings on anyone else at the moment.

 

I thought it was a good explanation too, but for some reason people didn't seem to find it persuasive. Shrug.

[The Warrior]

Good explanation KitKat. I appreciate you putting in the effort to catch up and participate in the game. Your explanation rings true to me and I do not think your character acted any more scummy than anyone else up to this point.

TW seems very convinced you are scum but that only makes me more suspicious of him. It's still too early in the game to have any feelings on anyone else at the moment.

I am not convinced that captainjf/kitkat is scum, but captain's actions on day 1 are the best that anyone has to go off of up to this point. So you are saying that you don't believe anything that captainjf did was scummy? Noted.

 

I read that one of two ways:

1) You are town like I suspect and truly don't believe captain acted scummy. This would likely cast me as being suspicious to you since I am suspicious of him. You would also have to be extremely foolish to continue to push me as being suspicious if you were scum since my death would immediately point the spotlight on you.

2) You are scum and know that both kitkat and I are town. You know by "defending" kitkat and questioning me, that any lynch of kitkat will reflect poorly on me and you will use it to say "see TW is scum because he questioned kitkat and I didn't."

 

I'm also not sure how you can say it's too early in the game to have feelings on anyone. We are essentially at the midway point of the game (assuming the worst case scenario). If the town does not find a scum today or tomorrow during the day we lose tomorrow night. If someone doesn't have any feelings on someone else at this point it's because they aren't pushing anyone for answers. Townies should be doing that.