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[KevinH]

Day 2 ends.

Vote Count:

Robert2424 (3): Rafay, Kitkat16, Finster Baby,
Electric Mango (2): iSocialism, Robert2424,
Kitkat16 (1): LordSunday,
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
The Warrior (0):
LordSunday (0):
Finster Baby (0):

 

No lynch:

 

Not voting: Electric Mango, The Warrior,

 
Robert2424, Vanilla Townie, has been lynched.

 

It is now Night 2.

Please send all actions to me by Friday, April 7, at 12:00 EDT.
 

[KevinH]

Night 2 ends.

LordSunday, Town Cop, has been killed in the night.

It is now Day 3.

Vote Count:

Electric Mango (0):
Kitkat16 (0):
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
The Warrior (0):
Finster Baby (0):

 

No lynch:

 

Not voting: Electric Mango, The Warrior, Rafay, Kitkat16, Finster Baby, iSocialism,

 
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch, or 2 at deadline.
Deadline is Friday, April 14, at 08:00 EDT.
 

[Finster Baby]

hmm. Town Cop was waxed overnight.

I wonder if he knew something about KitKat, since he voted for him.

FOS: KitKat16

[Electric Mango]

Will catch up on the days post and have something to say tomorrow.

[The Warrior]

Well, that sucks that LordSunday was the Cop. He was about the only other confirmed townie in my opinion.

Since LordSunday was the Cop that narrows down the possible game setups to two. We either have:

- 1 Cop, 6 VT's, and 2 Mafia Goons
or
-1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 VT's, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, and 1 Mafia Goon

If one of you is a town Doctor then you at least know for sure that we are dealing with a mafia Roleblocker.

Today is the day that we HAVE to lynch correctly. A miss-lynch today followed by a scum kill at night ends the game. LordSunday's death may have given us something to go off of. It is entirely possible that LordSunday investigated Kitkat (captainjf) on night 1 due to his behavior on the first day. If I was the cop, that is what I would have done. The fact that LordSunday stayed focused on Kitkat on day 2 when the other two wagons (Robert and EM) were forming leads me to believe that LordSunday did indeed know that Kitkat is scum.

I should have gone with my gut yesterday and voted for Kitkat. I will be doing so today unless something even more damning is revealed.

Vote: Kitkat16

Assuming that Kitkat comes up scum, I believe that my early suspicion could have been right all along. He might have followed his scum partner in voting for me on day 1 without knowing any better. Since the scum do not have day-talk it would mean that one of the only ways he was clued into his mistake (voting for me) would be everyone calling him out for it. I think that Rafay is the second potential scum. He is #2 on my list now.

FOS Rafay

@Electric Mango and iSocialism: Your thoughts now?

[Kitkat16]

I'm not sure whether I can be bothered making a defence, seeing as I'm pretty sure you guys have made up your minds to lynch me, but I'll see how I'm feeling later today (I'm about to head into uni.)

 

In the meantime, I'm innocent, you meanies, OMGUS, Lyner is my top suspect even though he's dead, etc etc etc.

[The Warrior]

If you are town you should absolutely defend yourself and share your thoughts.

[Finster Baby]

If you are town you should absolutely defend yourself and share your thoughts.

What he said.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Kitkat16 (1): The Warrior,
Electric Mango (0):
Rafay (0):
iSocialism (0):
The Warrior (0):
Finster Baby (0):

 

No lynch:

 

Not voting: Electric Mango, Rafay, Kitkat16, Finster Baby, iSocialism,

 
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch, or 2 at deadline.
Deadline is Friday, April 14, at 08:00 EDT.
 

[The Warrior]

This is crunch time folks. We likely don't get another chance after today. The town needs to be talking.

 

@EM, iSoc, and Rafay - Please weigh in.

[Finster Baby]

Maybe this will get KitKat16 to weigh in, since he seems to think defending himself is just an option:

VOTE: KitKat16

The more you clam up, the more convinced LordSunday knew something.

[Electric Mango]

I feel like the town is being pressured to vote for kit kat. It was a Day 1 joke vote. Big whoop.

I think tW is scum and I don't know who else. I have been suspicious of him for a while. They probably did not night kill me because it would make tW look guilty.

Why is he still alive? Wouldn't the bad guys have killed him by now? It's my understanding that he is a prime target for sum. Weird that he's still here.

[The Warrior]

I don't believe that you're scum EM because I still think that scum wouldn't be openly pushing for me knowing what it would do if I was lynched, but you are certainly wrong about me. Of course, you could be the second scum and are now trying to openly make a case to get me lynched because you know that would end the game and there wouldn't be another day for the town to go after you. Any wagon built today without any evidence other than "you are scum because you've been suspicious of this guy since he acted suspiciously on day 1" should be highly scrutinized. At least there are reasons to lynch KitKat other than "he's going after someone he thinks is scum".

And I have been here this entire game making a case against people that are either lurking in the background or have acted suspicious in a concrete way. Where have you been the whole game? What have you contributed to the town's cause other than pushing for me because I have a strong scum feeling about a player who has been suspicious?

Also I feel like you're conveniently avoiding the fact that LordSunday came up as being a cop and was suspicious of and pushing for KitKat. If you were the cop and had clear suspicion of KitKat on day 1, would you not investigate him at night? I certainly would have.

[iSocialism]

Busy weekend, sorry guys, I was at least able to read the thread. I didn't want to comment, because I wanted the time to type it out.

First and foremost

Kitkat is the biggest suspect. Everyone should see that Lordsunday was the cop and was suspicious of KK. Voting for him today does not rule someone out from being scum. Not even FOSing.  The main thing In my mind. Is the day before

 

Robert2424 (3): Rafay, Kitkat16, Finster Baby,
Electric Mango (2): iSocialism, Robert2424,
Kitkat16 (1): LordSunday,

 

Not voting: Electric Mango, The Warrior,

 

There was no push for KK at the end besides by LS (now cop). If robert would have flipped scum, it would be a different story for KK right now, even town creed for the other two. That is not how it happen. If i was in KK position, I would have voted for Robert or EM.

KK flipping scum, would just go to show that he is scum. Finding the next person would be the greater question. I could twist and turn the last vote to whom ever I thought was scummy. I could make a case for anyone besides LS and Robert, because they're dead. I believe KK to be scum. and his lynch imminent. I always play worst case scenario, which would be. No more PRs. Mislynch today, and it's gg. KK is the least likely to be a mislynch. Now that we see LS push and his role, we can at least get one.

 

So right now KK is at L2, meaing if he was town, and FB and TW were town. The scum would rush his wagon for the win.

Hasn't happen, so IMO not likely.

KK is town and TW and FB or scum trying to get an push going for KK.  FTW.

Two great players not putting it pass them, but I wouldn't think they've execute it like that.

KK is scum and TW or FB is scum as well.

likely, but would lean toward FB.

KK is scum and TW and FB are town.

I lean more towards this way.

 

My list from least scummiest/likely to be scum to most.

TW, has been stepping on everyone toes, while not full throttle, enough to make me happy.

FB, explain a little bit more below

Rafay, was active, now invisible, defended KK. More to come

EM, hasn't really done a whole lot in my mind, just plays passive-aggressive IMO on votes.

KK, I shouldn't have to say.

 

Now my grouping (with KK being number one scum)

KK and Rafay, rafya has defended KK, and voted for robert instead of KK.

KK and EM, EM has been quiet IMO, hasn't push for anyone's vote, but still stay active enough. Hasn't put a lot of pressure on KK, still trying to toss heat at TW.

KK and FB, I believe FB called out captain( now kk) on d1, and has been slightly pushing for his lynch.

KK and TW, Cpt put the 3rd vote on TW, TW put pressure on him, and since that. While it could be an elaborate plan. It;s very doubtful.

scum day talk is not Kevin style. more of a TW thing. They would have been no coordinating for this. I also wouldn't think Capt would seek a replacement if it was a plan.

 

All of this wall of text, rambling, and pointless talking. Is just me getting my idea out. Rafay, and EM are likely to be the next scum after KK, if KK is not scum, it's already GG. I'm not counting on a doctor, so when KK flips scum, scum will get a kill in the night.

We will be at 3v1 the next day. Also meaning a mis-lynch equals a lost, or a tie I don't how 1v1 works. Which leads me to this radical vote

 

Vote EM

You're still putting pressure on TW, trying to sway the town to think of him as scum. There;s more to my vote, but I can't say. TACTICS

[Kitkat16]

Maybe this will get KitKat16 to weigh in, since he seems to think defending himself is just an option:

VOTE: KitKat16

The more you clam up, the more convinced LordSunday knew something.

 

No, I don't see defending myself as just an option. I simply wondered whether it was pointless rereading the entire thread (which, by the way, I haven't done, as I'm a bit busy atm) and making a defence seeing as you clearly have your hearts set on lynching me.

 

As to LordSunday's vote on me: I can only say that it's less than certain that he investigated me on the first night. We have no certain evidence of that. What I did on the first day was simply not *THAT* suspicious. It's entirely possible that LordSunday, say, visited someone else and they weren't scum, so he had no suspects. 

 

In fact, in LordSunday's shoes, even if I did find me suspicious on the first day I wouldn't have visited me overnight. By that point, I was already a suspect. Given the risk of being killed overnight I would want to find more information about the scum as soon as possible. I'd have visited the people who posted before me/ captain in that thread to corroborate TW's theory that I/ captain just followed my scum buddy, where I suspect he found that whoever he investigated was not scum. (Why do I suspect that? Because I know that TW's theory that I was following my scum buddy *is not true*.) At the very least, I'd have visited someone else to get information as quickly as possible.

 

I'm tired of being harried from pillar to post for a couple of noob errors on the first day. I've done nothing suspicious since then. There's a lot here that makes me seem more suspicious than I am:

 

1) Yes, I voted for Robert. I wasn't the hammer vote, nor did I initiate killing him in particular. Rafay was the one to suggest killing him.

 

2) Yes, LordSunday got killed overnight after having voted for me. But assuming I was scum I had no way of knowing that he was the cop. The fact that the cop got killed is an unhappy coincidence. In fact, the fact that he was killed after voting for me suggests to me that I'm *not* a scum, as I wouldn't be so foolish as to incriminate myself by a retaliatory assassination. I'd have gone for some random person with no connection to myself.

 

Following on from that, I wonder if in fact the scum killed LS to frame me. Which leads into the next part of what I have to say. TW has pushed so hard over most of this game to lynch me over a couple of noob errors early on. I don't know for sure whether the scum were out to frame me. But if they were, it fits with my budding theory that TW might be a scum. He's quite a strategic thinker, it is the sort of thing he might do. I also do find it suspicious frankly that after two nights he is still alive. If his theorising were as accurate as he purports, I'd have killed him already if I were scum (which is in fact apparently normal in these games, given that he is such a good player.)

 

FoS TW

[Kitkat16]

Oh and by the way there was another wagon going on Electric Mango. I didn't need to vote for Robert to "save myself". I could've voted for EM. It was just my bad luck that others chose to place the hammer vote on Robert instead of EM. (As I've said, I was not the hammer.) It could just as easily have gone EM's way.

 

In fact, it's interesting that TW placed the hammer vote on Robert (suspicious much?) It set me up quite well to look like a mafia, as he could then point out that I voted for Robert while overlooking the fact that he did so himself.

[The Warrior]

No we aren't 100% certain that LordSunday investigated captainjf on night 1. But if you have a power role and a real suspicion of someone, you use your role on them to either validate your theory or discredit it and move on. A cop in particular would follow a lead. The biggest lead on day one was captainjf's actions. LordSunday as the cop, and as someone who believed captainjf was acting suspiciously, would have absolutely followed that lead and investigated him. Two other wagons formed on day two that drew everyone else's attention. They could have drawn LordSunday's attention as well but didn't. That says something to me. I believe it means he knew a little bit more than anyone else at the time. The likely reason that he didn't come forward with that information was so that he could hopefully live another day and continue investigating. At the very least, by continuing to pursue KitKat, LS could essentially guarantee that the rest of the town followed through and lynches a known scum.

This narrative about me still being alive on day 3 meaning that I must be scum is complete BS. Arguing this point as a reason to lynch me screams of desperation.

[Kitkat16]

No we aren't 100% certain that LordSunday investigated captainjf on night 1. But if you have a power role and a real suspicion of someone, you use your role on them to either validate your theory or discredit it and move on. A cop in particular would follow a lead. The biggest lead on day one was captainjf's actions. LordSunday as the cop, and as someone who believed captainjf was acting suspiciously, would have absolutely followed that lead and investigated him. Two other wagons formed on day two that drew everyone else's attention. They could have drawn LordSunday's attention as well but didn't. That says something to me. I believe it means he knew a little bit more than anyone else at the time. The likely reason that he didn't come forward with that information was so that he could hopefully live another day and continue investigating. At the very least, by continuing to pursue KitKat, LS could essentially guarantee that the rest of the town followed through and lynches a known scum.

This narrative about me still being alive on day 3 meaning that I must be scum is complete BS. Arguing this point as a reason to lynch me screams of desperation.

 

Not if he was sufficiently certain that I was scum (which, having just skim read that section of the thread, it seems he was.)

[The Warrior]

I did not place a "hammer vote" on Robert. A lynch on day two needed 5 votes for a hammer or 3 at deadline. Finster baby placed the third vote on Robert an hour and fifteen minutes before deadline. My vote on Robert would have been the 4th vote if Kevin counted it. My vote would have had to have been the 5th vote to be the hammer vote and at the time that my vote was posted Robert was already going to be lynched since he had three votes and EM only had two.

If I was scum, what reason would I have had to officially post a vote on Robert who was practically guaranteed to be lynched already? Why would I subject myself to that scrutiny? I could have just not voted instead and allowed everyone else to take the heat for lynching a townie. But no, even though my vote didn't officially count, I still made a point to cast it publicly because I believed there might be something there. Scum usually do everything they can to avoid drawing attention to themselves. Voting when I didn't have to surely wasn't done to avoid attention.

No we aren't 100% certain that LordSunday investigated captainjf on night 1. But if you have a power role and a real suspicion of someone, you use your role on them to either validate your theory or discredit it and move on. A cop in particular would follow a lead. The biggest lead on day one was captainjf's actions. LordSunday as the cop, and as someone who believed captainjf was acting suspiciously, would have absolutely followed that lead and investigated him. Two other wagons formed on day two that drew everyone else's attention. They could have drawn LordSunday's attention as well but didn't. That says something to me. I believe it means he knew a little bit more than anyone else at the time. The likely reason that he didn't come forward with that information was so that he could hopefully live another day and continue investigating. At the very least, by continuing to pursue KitKat, LS could essentially guarantee that the rest of the town followed through and lynches a known scum.
This narrative about me still being alive on day 3 meaning that I must be scum is complete BS. Arguing this point as a reason to lynch me screams of desperation.

Not if he was sufficiently certain that I was scum (which, having just skim read that section of the thread, it seems he was.)

There are no absolutes in this game. You follow a lead when it presents itself. If LS could confirm a scum and get him lynched the next day, the town's win probability would skyrocket and we wouldn't be in a do or die situation anymore. You don't leave things up to chance when you think you've found a scum. You make sure that person is removed from the game.

[Kitkat16]

I did not place a "hammer vote" on Robert. A lynch on day two needed 5 votes for a hammer or 3 at deadline. Finster baby placed the third vote on Robert an hour and fifteen minutes before deadline. My vote on Robert would have been the 4th vote if Kevin counted it. My vote would have had to have been the 5th vote to be the hammer vote and at the time that my vote was posted Robert was already going to be lynched sinc he had three votes and EM only had two.

If I was scum, what reason would I have had to officially post a vote on Robert who was guaranteed to be lynched? Why would I subject myself to that scrutiny? I could have just not voted instead and allowed everyone else to take the heat for lynching a townie. But no, even though my vote didn't officially count, I still made a point to cast it publicly because I believed there might be something these. Scum usually do everything they can to avoid drawing attention to themselves. Voting when I didn't have to surely wasn't done to avoid attention.

 

True... although you sealed the deal on Robert. You can never know whether people might change their vote or what. The vote was 3-2 when you placed your vote, it could easily have ended up drawn. (In fact, believe it or not I toyed with changing and voting for EM, but decided I just didn't find him a suspicious character.) Plus, if I had to pick your scum buddy, I'd say either iSoc or Finster (although I'm not certain enough to FoS or lynch him.) (Incidentally, this is not something I'm just coming up with on the fly, iSoc and Finster were both on my possible lynch list the day Robert was lynched.)

 

I also find it pretty suss that you've used the fact that I voted for Robert as material to incriminate me when you voted for him yourself. (As did Finster, who is along with yourself my biggest critic.)

 

I shall reiterate for emphasis: I did not initiate the vote on Robert. I did not hammer Robert. The vote could just as easily have gone the other way and EM would have been lynched instead. It was my bad luck that the vote went the way it did, and even if you didn't set me up it was a fact which was certainly not lost on you, as you have used it to cast suspicion on me since.