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[Wolfpacks]

Im sticking with what i said above , but as most others have said what i feel i have nothing to add as of yet, but because of the rules i have to post.

FOS Isoc, SBG, Kitkat

[Rhizoctonia]

I didn't need to. I wanted to see how he acted throughout the day without pressure. The only pressure I gave was his immediate accusations against COD. He will be lynched tomorrow if not today.
But to say that is the reason is just him setting himself up for the next day excuse. He knows I'm town. His using that for his creed.
No where did I say sbg is scum. I just said he was role blocked. But it shouldn't be too hard to read into this.

He's already trying to set it up there's a framer. I hope town remembers, if people fall for this today and mislynch, as his next step is to claim that LS must of been framed. He's been looking to set this up knowing if he persuades town to mislynch what excuse can he make for why his supposed results are wrong.

Also, remember who has now came defending him, both Lyner and Kitkat 2 guys I have suspected

LS is not making any sense, but believe he's a rather gullible town then scum. I don't get how he thinks, with 16 players following D1 that it is more likely that scum and Isocialism both used their actions on him N1 then Isocialism using a fake RC that is a common excuse for a scum. The chances of that are absolutely slim to none, especially given there was 0 information to go on D1 to give Isocialism a target to pick and the scum a target they think would likely be investigated.

[LordSunday]

I didn't need to. I wanted to see how he acted throughout the day without pressure. The only pressure I gave was his immediate accusations against COD. He will be lynched tomorrow if not today.
But to say that is the reason is just him setting himself up for the next day excuse. He knows I'm town. His using that for his creed.
No where did I say sbg is scum. I just said he was role blocked. But it shouldn't be too hard to read into this.

He's already trying to set it up there's a framer. I hope town remembers, if people fall for this today and mislynch, as his next step is to claim that LS must of been framed. He's been looking to set this up knowing if he persuades town to mislynch what excuse can he make for why his supposed results are wrong.

Also, remember who has now came defending him, both Lyner and Kitkat 2 guys I have suspected

LS is not making any sense, but believe he's a rather gullible town then scum. I don't get how he thinks, with 16 players following D1 that it is more likely that scum and Isocialism both used their actions on him N1 then Isocialism using a fake RC that is a common excuse for a scum. The chances of that are absolutely slim to none, especially given there was 0 information to go on D1 to give Isocialism a target to pick and the scum a target they think would likely be investigated.

I didn't and don't dismiss the fact that iSoc may be lying, but if he was lying do you believe he looked at the MK wagon and picked a random townie to claim he investigated and then claim that he roleblocked someone who could be seen as suspicious?

[Lyner]

Rhizo's scum meter has escalated so quickly I'm not sure if he's a PR with some information or a desperate
scum


I want to hear more from the rest of town before I make my own analysis

[Yehom]

Rhizo's scum meter has escalated so quickly I'm not sure if he's a PR with some information or a desperate scum

I'm sensing the same

 

Also I'd like to clarify that I didn't say that you were scum, merely stating that if there was scum on the SLMK the only person that I could have a clue on was you 

[The Warrior]

I'm going to make this clear one last time:

This game should be treated as being its own game. Failure to do so again will result in the offender being Mod-killed without their role being made known to the public.

[King Cankles]

At last, swords have been drawn. I'm in agreeance with the current iSoc wagon. Looks to me like he's drowning and he knows it.

Vote: iSoc

[SeaBeeGipson]

I'm going to make this clear one last time:
This game should be treated as being its own game. Failure to do so again will result in the offender being Mod-killed without their role being made known to the public.

Understood.

[FS108]

I had no idea that SLMK was scum tbh how ever we need all to work together to bring scum down

FOS Lyner and Kitkat

I pushed post to quickly Vote: Isocialism

 

[Kitkat16]

lol

 

oh guys

 

well I guess you'll find out. I stand by what I said about roleclaiming JOAT to be way too risky a move for scum (and unnecessary, in iSoc's case)

 

FoS Rhizo 

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 

I didn't need to. I wanted to see how he acted throughout the day without pressure. The only pressure I gave was his immediate accusations against COD. He will be lynched tomorrow if not today.
But to say that is the reason is just him setting himself up for the next day excuse. He knows I'm town. His using that for his creed.
No where did I say sbg is scum. I just said he was role blocked. But it shouldn't be too hard to read into this.

He's already trying to set it up there's a framer. I hope town remembers, if people fall for this today and mislynch, as his next step is to claim that LS must of been framed. He's been looking to set this up knowing if he persuades town to mislynch what excuse can he make for why his supposed results are wrong.

Also, remember who has now came defending him, both Lyner and Kitkat 2 guys I have suspected

LS is not making any sense, but believe he's a rather gullible town then scum. I don't get how he thinks, with 16 players following D1 that it is more likely that scum and Isocialism both used their actions on him N1 then Isocialism using a fake RC that is a common excuse for a scum. The chances of that are absolutely slim to none, especially given there was 0 information to go on D1 to give Isocialism a target to pick and the scum a target they think would likely be investigated.

I didn't and don't dismiss the fact that iSoc may be lying, but if he was lying do you believe he looked at the MK wagon and picked a random townie to claim he investigated and then claim that he roleblocked someone who could be seen as suspicious?

 

 

 

Why wouldn't he?  He set his excuse up D2 in case WP was lynched and he was apart of the wagon.  Who he picked was irrelevant on the wagon.  He as I already stated, didn't call you out, he didn't single you, all the while supposedly knowing you were scum.  He comes out today and plays the move he setup D2, that someone he supposedly suspects on SLMK's wagon is why he was on the wrong wagon.  Who he picked is irrelevant.  

 

Now let's talk about the idea of the chances of either you or him lying, and the idea you were framed the same day as he investigated you.

 

For sake of the point, we'll go with Isocial being town

 

Isocialism -  Has 15 possible people to use his cop ability on

Scum - Assuming there's 4 scum, they have 12 options to use their framer on

 

Now it's been a long time since I've done probability, but if i did correctly, the chances of that is 1/180.  Would likely have to be the unluckiest person in the world.

 

Factor in the fact D1 was abbreviated and there was absolutely nothing to go on, those chances don't go up.  Had D1 involved an exchange of heated arguments between you or someone else, or even some voting, then I'd say the probability went up, as scum would have some possible options on who likely a cop would investigate.  But there was none of that, you didn't have any brash or loud encounters with someone that would make you a target to be framed, nor did you really do anything D1 that comes off scummy that I'd pull my single cop role on.  The chances of scum and Isocialism picking you with nothing to go on is far fetched.

 

No, the better explanation is one of you are lying.  But which one.  I've been pretty sold it's Isocialism.  What comes off odd with you is that, if you're town, instead coming all out that Isocialism is lying which is a a higher probability, you think it's more likely the 1/180 chance is what happened.  Is this because you're scum and if Isocialism is lynched today and found to be telling the truth you stand a better chance going with the framer scenario and hopefully get out of being lynched tomorrow then if you go all in against him that he's lying?  Because if Isocialism is telling the truth, you only have two options...fully call him a liar and know you're screwed the next day if he's lynched, or go a different route and try to paint you both as town and just somehow got extremely unlucky. 

 

Sorry, not buying you're both town. 

 

It's one or the other...and to be frank, it wont be end game if we lynch the wrong one as town is in better shape then most games by now with no kill last night and a scum kill D2.  The scum between the two of you are dead, be it today or tomorrow.

 

 

Also, about Isocialism role claim.  Let's look what it possible causes if he's scum lying.

 

1.  Cause you likely to RC as he found you as scum.  

2.  Him claiming RB on Sea last night when no kill happens possibly forces the Doctor to come out and claim who they protected.  Since if doctor was right, and the RB was a lie or didn't stop the kill, we have a confirmed town of who the doctor protected

3.  Forces Sea to reveal if he has a role or not, and if he used it.  If Sea is truly town, the scum now know he doesn't have a role and do not have to target him at night, bettering odds of hitting the cop or doctor or another PR

[LordSunday]

 

 

 

I didn't need to. I wanted to see how he acted throughout the day without pressure. The only pressure I gave was his immediate accusations against COD. He will be lynched tomorrow if not today.
But to say that is the reason is just him setting himself up for the next day excuse. He knows I'm town. His using that for his creed.
No where did I say sbg is scum. I just said he was role blocked. But it shouldn't be too hard to read into this.

He's already trying to set it up there's a framer. I hope town remembers, if people fall for this today and mislynch, as his next step is to claim that LS must of been framed. He's been looking to set this up knowing if he persuades town to mislynch what excuse can he make for why his supposed results are wrong.

Also, remember who has now came defending him, both Lyner and Kitkat 2 guys I have suspected

LS is not making any sense, but believe he's a rather gullible town then scum. I don't get how he thinks, with 16 players following D1 that it is more likely that scum and Isocialism both used their actions on him N1 then Isocialism using a fake RC that is a common excuse for a scum. The chances of that are absolutely slim to none, especially given there was 0 information to go on D1 to give Isocialism a target to pick and the scum a target they think would likely be investigated.

I didn't and don't dismiss the fact that iSoc may be lying, but if he was lying do you believe he looked at the MK wagon and picked a random townie to claim he investigated and then claim that he roleblocked someone who could be seen as suspicious?

 

 

 

Why wouldn't he?  He set his excuse up D2 in case WP was lynched and he was apart of the wagon.  Who he picked was irrelevant on the wagon.  He as I already stated, didn't call you out, he didn't single you, all the while supposedly knowing you were scum.  He comes out today and plays the move he setup D2, that someone he supposedly suspects on SLMK's wagon is why he was on the wrong wagon.  Who he picked is irrelevant.  

 

Now let's talk about the idea of the chances of either you or him lying, and the idea you were framed the same day as he investigated you.

 

For sake of the point, we'll go with Isocial being town

 

Isocialism -  Has 15 possible people to use his cop ability on

Scum - Assuming there's 4 scum, they have 12 options to use their framer on

 

Now it's been a long time since I've done probability, but if i did correctly, the chances of that is 1/180.  Would likely have to be the unluckiest person in the world.

 

Factor in the fact D1 was abbreviated and there was absolutely nothing to go on, those chances don't go up.  Had D1 involved an exchange of heated arguments between you or someone else, or even some voting, then I'd say the probability went up, as scum would have some possible options on who likely a cop would investigate.  But there was none of that, you didn't have any brash or loud encounters with someone that would make you a target to be framed, nor did you really do anything D1 that comes off scummy that I'd pull my single cop role on.  The chances of scum and Isocialism picking you with nothing to go on is far fetched.

 

No, the better explanation is one of you are lying.  But which one.  I've been pretty sold it's Isocialism.  What comes off odd with you is that, if you're town, instead coming all out that Isocialism is lying which is a a higher probability, you think it's more likely the 1/180 chance is what happened.  Is this because you're scum and if Isocialism is lynched today and found to be telling the truth you stand a better chance going with the framer scenario and hopefully get out of being lynched tomorrow then if you go all in against him that he's lying?  Because if Isocialism is telling the truth, you only have two options...fully call him a liar and know you're screwed the next day if he's lynched, or go a different route and try to paint you both as town and just somehow got extremely unlucky. 

 

Sorry, not buying you're both town. 

 

It's one or the other...and to be frank, it wont be end game if we lynch the wrong one as town is in better shape then most games by now with no kill last night and a scum kill D2.  The scum between the two of you are dead, be it today or tomorrow.

 

 

Also, about Isocialism role claim.  Let's look what it possible causes if he's scum lying.

 

1.  Cause you likely to RC as he found you as scum.  

2.  Him claiming RB on Sea last night when no kill happens possibly forces the Doctor to come out and claim who they protected.  Since if doctor was right, and the RB was a lie or didn't stop the kill, we have a confirmed town of who the doctor protected

3.  Forces Sea to reveal if he has a role or not, and if he used it.  If Sea is truly town, the scum now know he doesn't have a role and do not have to target him at night, bettering odds of hitting the cop or doctor or another PR

 

 

To sum this up: I better pray that iSoc is scum, because if not you're spearheading a wagon for me because you refuse to believe a slightly better than 0.5% chance.

 

I will admit, I understand the odds are low, and the reason is even lower. The more I look at it the more I tend to think he very well might be lying, but if that's the case then I just got unlucky that he decided to target me on the MK wagon of all people.

Tough call to make, thankfully the day is pretty long.

What I don't like is that while this is an important piece to figure out, we're letting others slide under the radar because of this. Where are the people like KevinH and SM? I would like to hear their thoughts too

[iSocialism]

LS is the one reminding everyone of framer role. Very vaguely though. Because if he is to survive today he will need the role so much after my lynch. I believe it exists, but don't care after that. As of right now, I have created conversation, and made people join sides. All when I didn't need to RC, however in all reality I haven't really RC. Just told you guys my results

[Sister Midnight]

Forgive my awkward posting my computer is in the midst of death throws, so I'm using various, not wonderful devices.

The reason I vote for WP. Is because lordsunday is also a death eater. Oh and I role blocked SBG last night.

Amazing that a JOAT correctly investigated scum N1, and correctly blocked scum N2 (though he may have blocked a townie and someone else protected scum's intended victim). Almost too good to be true.

So if iSoc is lying scum, then we can exonerate LS and SBG. If he got extremely lucky with his JOATing, and there was no framer LS is scum, and major fingering is on SBG (who is always scum 😁, so he's automatically under suspicion.

On second thought:
 
I find it unlikely iSoc is lying about his claim, but much more likely there's a framer or framing role in the scum team. As for the SBG comment, it adds a tad bit of suspicion since he was roleblocked last night and no kills occur. This could also be due to a doctor picking correctly, but it's worth putting some suspicion towards SBG.
 
I agree with Rhizo that on the non-MK wagons we'll be able to find another scum or 2, though I'll be able to look more at that and form some thoughts tomorrow.

There is no evidence we have a framer, it is possible, but you are slick in general (part of your charm), and you certainly spun that gracefully. However I am with

Guys I just find it seriously unlikely that someone would make this kind of roleclaim when not under immediate pressure..

. It is very weird. I'm not ruling it out, but...

Oh well, now I'm not so sure about Rhizo
 
And really, Yehom? CoD and me are literally the 2 votes that started the bandwagon to lynch MK, am also the first to point out that his RC doesn't protect him one bit. If I were scum I can save him anytime yesterday simply by changing my vote to Wolfpack, citing that MK's role is more believable and potentially be more beneficial to the town than the VT WP, something like what you said here
 
 
Also I believe iSoc's role, but not sure if framer is in play.

 

I think Rhizo is town, protective powers should consider targeting him tonight
 
I'm also a good target choice

 
 
This was Lyner's comment near the end yesterday.  I'm glad you think I'm town, as I am, but this seems rather strange to be so sold that I'm town.  Especially considering the fact I was on the opposite wagon as you, and I would of been part of a lynch of a town.  Seems strange you would be sold I am town, yet voting on the opposite of you.  I know I didn't have anyone I would be sold on is for sure town D2, and I know if I was going to pick anyone to suggest is town, it likely would be someone I'm on the same wagon as, not on the other. 
 
Then you go one step further and suggest I be protected.  Seems like a rather indirect way of trying to have our possible doctor protect me when you, a scum, planned on hitting another target anyway.  

 
Wagon sides are worth nothing if you didn't have any real informations on which one is the scum. Let's just say it's just a gut feeling, just like when I picked MK over WP
 
 
Also sure I'll use that trick next time I'm scum

Implied role claim. If iSoc is scum, you also get fingered

LS is the one reminding everyone of framer role. Very vaguely though. Because if he is to survive today he will need the role so much after my lynch. I believe it exists, but don't care after that. As of right now, I have created conversation, and made people join sides. All when I didn't need to RC, however in all reality I haven't really RC. Just told you guys my results

Sharing the results is as close to a role claim as you can get. Who, but a joat can inextigate one night and block the next.

I am not jumping on any wagon yet because it is too early in the day for that. Hopefully TW will update the vote tallies soon.

Major FOS on iSoc

[LordSunday]

LS is the one reminding everyone of framer role. Very vaguely though. Because if he is to survive today he will need the role so much after my lynch. I believe it exists, but don't care after that. As of right now, I have created conversation, and made people join sides. All when I didn't need to RC, however in all reality I haven't really RC. Just told you guys my results

 

What am I supposed to do? Sit here and deny there's a framer and just let you try to get a townie lynched? I'm not trying to intentionally bring up a framer role, I'm simply saying consider it and other factors before you lynch a townie, get yourself lynched, and we lose two town members when we could've lost none.

 

You seem so content on your "results" that you're denying to even acknowledge or consider that a framer could exist in this game. It seems pretty evident if you get lynched and are what you claim, we're losing two town members over a framer role you seem to be avoiding acknowledging the possibility of. If I get lynched, you'll be singing the same tune as me when my death sentence comes out green.

 

Originally I leaned more to the fact you were possibly telling the truth. The more you talk and less you want to consider the other possibilities, the more I believe others that you very well could just be scum trying to take one or two townies down with you.

[iSocialism]

I was never trying to take anyone down with me. Downwards isn't where I was going. After my lynch you will be gone, then SBG, then maybe king C, and hopefully the town can spare rhiz for the time being. I not fearing my lynch as much as you are LS. I have nothing to lose upon my lynch. You do though, upon my lynch the truth of my role will be expose.

[Lyner]

Don't forget that our main suspects today are those who wagoned WP's wagon. I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum and luckily, we only have to choose from three guys: Rhizoctonia, iSocialism, Kitkat16

 

Hell, since scums are down by one person this early, they might as well try to desperately bus one of their own to gain town's trust.

 

So yeah, feel free to lynch iSoc. If he turned out town we kill Rhizo or Kitkat. If iSoc turned out scum then we should also consider killing Rhizo or Kitkat.

 

Kitkat because he was among the first to indirectly defend MK, just like today with iSoc: here and here. Not sure if it's his personality to be cautious or he is a scum defending his friends.

 

As for Rhizo, his posts today have been very aggresive, unlike yesterday, as if he's a scum desperately trying to quickly gain town's trust. His arguments are not very persuasive either. His main points for not believing iSoc are:

1. Low chance of an investigation to target a framed person. Isn't that like the point of a framer role? A small chance is still a chance nonetheless, if I were scum and my scum friend got shot by a random investigation I'd also say this. Not cool, Rhizo.

2. iSoc's baiting town PRs to role claim, such as Doctor or SBG's role. Very unlikely. Scum team is already down by one person this early and their current priority is to make sure at least one person looks like a credible townie. Sacrificing yet another scum member to get some mere information on town PRs aren't very useful.

 

Very forced accusation IMO.

[Rhizoctonia]

1. Low chance of an investigation to target a framed person. Isn't that like the point of a framer role? A small chance is still a chance nonetheless, if I were scum and my scum friend got shot by a random investigation I'd also say this. Not cool, Rhizo.

 

 

It's a little more then .5% chance, the fact you're experienced player and are being this ridiculous is telling of itself.  You know damn well the likelihood of this, and also know the chances of a framer are higher if there a few targets that are either arguing or disputing one another that a cop would likely pick....for which didn't happen D1.  I don't care to continue to argue with someone who is being purposefully obtuse.  

 

 

2. iSoc's baiting town PRs to role claim, such as Doctor or SBG's role. Very unlikely. Scum team is already down by one person this early and their current priority is to make sure at least one person looks like a credible townie. Sacrificing yet another scum member to get some mere information on town PRs aren't very useful.

 

Wait, so not but a few sentences above you talk about scum killing one of their own to help others...and then shortly thereafter, you write this and say they wouldn't do this they're down a person already.  So you're suggesting they would sacrifice their own to help a fellow scum, while then saying they wouldn't sacrifice their own to force people to RC, gain a lot of intel, and at the minimum narrow down the cop.  Nice logic.

 

You've already made your bed with Isocialism Lyner.  Better hope Isocialism is telling the truth.

[Wolfpacks]

One of my top suspect is voting for slmk. Either I'm wrong about this other person or they think slmk is toast. Slmk rc doesn't makes sense, but not unlikely. The day goes on. Just remember how people acted before the RC and after.

Vote WP.

 

I used my cop role on LS night one, my results were that he is a death eater. WP is innocent, but when I saw LS vote for slmk. I thought he he was trying to bale WP out. That's why my vote was for WP.

this is confusing me a lot, so thinking im innocent your logic was telling you that i was guilty because one scum was voting for Mk, but knowing how the game goes, dont you think 1 scum was kinda playing the bluff run incase MK was lynched by townies, sorry but thats just a little scummy for me, my gut is telling me your lying Isoc

[Lyner]

 

1. Low chance of an investigation to target a framed person. Isn't that like the point of a framer role? A small chance is still a chance nonetheless, if I were scum and my scum friend got shot by a random investigation I'd also say this. Not cool, Rhizo.

 

It's a little more then .5% chance, the fact you're experienced player and are being this ridiculous is telling of itself.  You know damn well the likelihood of this, and also know the chances of a framer are higher if there a few targets that are either arguing or disputing one another that a cop would likely pick....for which didn't happen D1.  I don't care to continue to argue with someone who is being purposefully obtuse. 

 

It's okay to say that the probability is low, but using it as the main reason for suspicion? Now that is suspicious.

 

 

 

2. iSoc's baiting town PRs to role claim, such as Doctor or SBG's role. Very unlikely. Scum team is already down by one person this early and their current priority is to make sure at least one person looks like a credible townie. Sacrificing yet another scum member to get some mere information on town PRs aren't very useful.

 

Wait, so not but a few sentences above you talk about scum killing one of their own to help others...and then shortly thereafter, you write this and say they wouldn't do this they're down a person already.  So you're suggesting they would sacrifice their own to help a fellow scum, while then saying they wouldn't sacrifice their own to force people to RC, gain a lot of intel, and at the minimum narrow down the cop.  Nice logic.

 

You've already made your bed with Isocialism Lyner.  Better hope Isocialism is telling the truth.

 

It makes perfect sense in my mind because I'm open to the possibility that both you and iSoc are scums, with you bussing iSoc. Suppose iSoc the scum deliberately fake an RC, and you're doing your best to kill him. What happened when iSoc is revealed as scum? Boom! town credential for Rhizo. Unlikely scenario? Yes. Is it possible? Also yes.

 

Anyway, what does it matter? The point stands that iSoc has no reason to RC even if he was scum. Doctor, really? He'd have a better chance by claiming as a one-shot Cop so scum can pinpoint the true cop. And roleblocked SBG? He practically kills himself if SBG turned out to have an active role that receives actual, proofable result last night. Wanna help me calculate the chance of scum hitting a VT?

 

The only potential benefit for scums is that town might mislynch one townie, before town kills the exposed scum. Not a very good investment.

 

 

Yeah your threat sounds precisely like MK's.