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[Wolfpacks]

I dont trust Isoc so for now ill take what he said with a pinch of salt.

Also on my radar is SGB i dont like the way he jumped over to MKs wagon last minute, although it possible saved me, it also could have been defection knowing MK was on his last leg.

Then theres Kitkat who also changed his vote last minuteish, could that be a change because MK was getting hit hard and he tried to save his scum friend by lynching me.

I still have to suspect rhizo even though he said he was town, in my opinion there was no swaying him from my wagon whoever was defending me,

[LordSunday]

On second thought:

 

I find it unlikely iSoc is lying about his claim, but much more likely there's a framer or framing role in the scum team. As for the SBG comment, it adds a tad bit of suspicion since he was roleblocked last night and no kills occur. This could also be due to a doctor picking correctly, but it's worth putting some suspicion towards SBG.

 

I agree with Rhizo that on the non-MK wagons we'll be able to find another scum or 2, though I'll be able to look more at that and form some thoughts tomorrow.

[Yehom]

You really think scum went all in, to save their one scum partner, on D2?  Really?  That would have to be the absolute worst scum team that has ever played this game.  

Yes I do think this, because if you look at how the wagon developed, you'll see that there were a couple of early votes on SLMK, but that wagon didn't have much traction going on. Cue neighbor discussion and you clearly see a very big split between the 2 camps and the vote tally went as close as 6-6 I think. I distinctly remember myself and Finster flipping in between the votes too, so it was a very close call on who was going to get lynched. Any vote on another side and that vote could have gone the other way around so I'm fairly sure that almost every single person on the SLMK wagon is town. The only person that I could doubt on that list could be Lyner, because he already voted on SLMK before the neighbor affair played out. Seeing how the reasoning behind the votes and the voting patterns, I'm fairly certain that every other person beside Lyner is town, with Lyner being an unknown. But again I want to hear some thoughts of other people before jumping to any major conclusions. This scrap between iSoc and LS seems pretty interesting. 

[SeaBeeGipson]

It is pretty coincidental there was no kill when I was allegedly role blocked. I don't have a role to block, So I personally think it's a setup. But who wouldn't say that.

As far as the LS coming up guilty and claiming framer. I'm not sure what to think. If LS was guilty why didn't Isoc push for LS more? I'm more suspicious of Isoc atm than anyone else.

Either it's a setup to get me and LS killed (assuming Isoc is lying) or it's coincidental that doc protected right (or scum are inactive or some twist TW adds.) And LS was framed.

As far as voting SLMK, yesterday was just a bundle of confusion for me. We were split between 3 (FS, SLMK, and WP) in which we almost knee 1 was scum.

I didn't have much time to really analyze much until the end was getting near. SLMK throwing others under the bus to add to his claim could go either way but at the end, it was scummy. He threw out 2 names (and even said WP is trusted). Only a scum who knew WP was town would say that imo. His defenses are usually always the same. "Why are y'all voting me?" Etc etc. And I've misltnched him multiple times for it. I've lead the lynch group on a few games on him. I just didn't want to make that mistake again, and lynch another town who just comes off scum every game. I felt we risked the least with WP. Towards the end I seen more and more scum behavior from SLMK.

I quoted WP in my vote to keep my train of thought. Where he mentions SLMK throwing him.under the bus is what got me thinking. Why would SLMK throw what he thought was fellow towns under the bus? Did he want the scum to start lynching them?

On another note, I think whoever doctor protected was a target. I'd rather the doctor not come out today as he'd probably be target #1 after this.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Fos: Isocialism

I just don't trust this role claim of yours. It's too coincidental.

[Finster Baby]

I'm willing to explain my D2:

SLMK was on my radar for a while. His posting just seemed too much of "Look how active I am! I just HAVE to be town!! Look!!" I voted for him before his bogus RC. He then role claimed, and I unvoted for him with the warning, "You best not be lying" to which he then outed FS and WP. I voted for Wolfpacks briefly, thinking that maybe SLMK was accurate, but the whole neighbor thing and SLMK's continued posting patterns, including outing the 2 other neighbors presumably without their permission convinced me that my WP vote at the time was misdirected, and I moved back to SLMK and stayed there.

As for N2, one of 2 things happened:
1. The doc protected the targer
2. A roleblocker stopped the attack.

iSoc comes out almost immediately accusing both LS and SBG of being scum. He RCs a JOAT, claiming he investigated LS on N1 and roleblocked SBG on N2. It seems just too smooth to me. Also, the JOAT modifier is a convenient cover story for a scum to hide behind. If LS was scum, why didn't you push harder for his lynching iSoc? He received 0 votes on D2.

I wanna look at the WP wagon:
Wolfpacks (5): Rhizoctonia, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK, Kitkat16

1. Rhizo. I lean town, but can't 100% say yes
2. FS108. Admittedly new, maybe thought WP was the other neighbor scum, even in the face of the mounting evidence against SLMK.
3. iSoc. Questionalbe RC on D3 (so far)
4. SLMK. Dead, was scum
5. Kitkat16. Not sure about you either.

So right now I look at iSoc as my major FOS, with SBG and LS needing to be looked into, given iSoc's claim, questionable as it is.

FOS: iSocialism

[iSocialism]

Vote LS.

Wiggle wiggle

[Rhizoctonia]

 

You really think scum went all in, to save their one scum partner, on D2?  Really?  That would have to be the absolute worst scum team that has ever played this game.  

Yes I do think this, because if you look at how the wagon developed, you'll see that there were a couple of early votes on SLMK, but that wagon didn't have much traction going on. Cue neighbor discussion and you clearly see a very big split between the 2 camps and the vote tally went as close as 6-6 I think. I distinctly remember myself and Finster flipping in between the votes too, so it was a very close call on who was going to get lynched. Any vote on another side and that vote could have gone the other way around so I'm fairly sure that almost every single person on the SLMK wagon is town. The only person that I could doubt on that list could be Lyner, because he already voted on SLMK before the neighbor affair played out. Seeing how the reasoning behind the votes and the voting patterns, I'm fairly certain that every other person beside Lyner is town, with Lyner being an unknown. But again I want to hear some thoughts of other people before jumping to any major conclusions. This scrap between iSoc and LS seems pretty interesting. 

 

 

 

That wagon didn't have much traction?  The whole D2 pretty much surrounded SLMK the whole time.  He was basically the only one being really discussed and questioned, and more then likely if he didn't come out and reveal his town neighbors who he hoped would save him he probably would of been the lynch simply because he was in the limelight and no one really else. 

 

Let alone, SLMK was a dying ship no matter what.  You really think all scum would hitch their ride to him to maybe save him another day?  The fact of the matter is, even if SLMK survived until today...he was a dead man come today.  Had WP been lynched yesterday and found to be town, SLMK would of been lynched with ease today.  It would be absolutely assine for scum to all go WP in the hopes to mislynch knowing they were only saving SLMK 1 more day, and then following that lynch, they'll would be targets.  I mean, I know we have a few new people in this game that I haven't seen play, but the vast majority here have played enough to know when your scum partner is a sinking ship that days are numbered.  You don't connect your whole scum team to defending a dead man walking, you cut cord and motor on trying to win with the remainder team.  

 

Is there scum on WP wagon, outside of SLMK that we know.  I would wager their likely is.  Is it 1 or 2, that I do not know, but I can all but guarantee you that the scum team didn't place their bets on saving a doomed scum, especially D2 of the game.  I honestly don't think you're being truly honest here as I know you're an experienced mafia player and you know scum would not suicide themselves like that, and I would say majority of the people in this game would agree scum wouldn't, especially knowing there was no saving him come today if he lasted yesterday.  

 

And don't worry, I haven't forgotten about FB and yourself flipping.  The problem with flipping like you both did, it could be looked at poorly no matter the turn out.  It's a matter of how someone wants to look at it.  As had SLMK turned out to be scum, you two would be in the spotlight for the flip from WP.  But one can also look at your flip and think well WP's vote count was getting up there...would it be wise as a scum to be apart of a lynch of a town (WP), or rather switch to your scum partner and hope more town jump on WP's wagon and be the cause of a mislynch.  Let alone, as I already mentioned, with SLMK coming out revealing him and his neighbors, it was readily known one of them was a scum...his days were numbered. 

[Rhizoctonia]

I'm willing to explain my D2:

SLMK was on my radar for a while. His posting just seemed too much of "Look how active I am! I just HAVE to be town!! Look!!" I voted for him before his bogus RC. He then role claimed, and I unvoted for him with the warning, "You best not be lying" to which he then outed FS and WP. I voted for Wolfpacks briefly, thinking that maybe SLMK was accurate, but the whole neighbor thing and SLMK's continued posting patterns, including outing the 2 other neighbors presumably without their permission convinced me that my WP vote at the time was misdirected, and I moved back to SLMK and stayed there.

As for N2, one of 2 things happened:
1. The doc protected the targer
2. A roleblocker stopped the attack.

iSoc comes out almost immediately accusing both LS and SBG of being scum. He RCs a JOAT, claiming he investigated LS on N1 and roleblocked SBG on N2. It seems just too smooth to me. Also, the JOAT modifier is a convenient cover story for a scum to hide behind. If LS was scum, why didn't you push harder for his lynching iSoc? He received 0 votes on D2.

I wanna look at the WP wagon:
Wolfpacks (5): Rhizoctonia, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK, Kitkat16

1. Rhizo. I lean town, but can't 100% say yes
2. FS108. Admittedly new, maybe thought WP was the other neighbor scum, even in the face of the mounting evidence against SLMK.
3. iSoc. Questionalbe RC on D3 (so far)
4. SLMK. Dead, was scum
5. Kitkat16. Not sure about you either.

So right now I look at iSoc as my major FOS, with SBG and LS needing to be looked into, given iSoc's claim, questionable as it is.

FOS: iSocialism

 

 

TW as far as I can look back, has never used the JOAT role back to back.  Has he used it, yes, I was it once, but looking through past games as best I can, he never reused the JOAT role two games in a row, and last game there was one.  

 

Let's look at his claim a bit more.  I would say it's rather ballsy, and a poor choice of the JOAT to use his cop role N1.  There's a whole lot of people, and let's not forget this D1 was a very abbreviated day, that was shortened even more by a pretty quick NL.  Is a JOAT honestly going to waste his important cop role, N1, after a day that gave no real clue on anyone?  Out of 16 people, you're just going to waste your 1 shot on just guessing a name with nothing to go on?  I know I wouldn't, but some may. 

 

Then, after supposedly finding out LS was scum, Isocialism doesn't even pressure him D2.  I probably would be on the fence of just coming forward with this D2 since you hit on honestly the most important role of JOAT and found a scum with no more cop abilities left.  I don't see the risk in hiding that and possibly getting lynch the next night, when even if you came forward, you could always get very lucky the next night and RB the right person to prevent the kill, or a doctor could protect you.  But he didn't come forward, nor did he even insinuate he suspected LS if he did end up being killed the next night.  He didn't pressure LS.  The only thing he said near the end of D2 was a person he most suspected was part of the SLMK wagon, so he's going to vote WP.  He didn't even say a name, just "a person he suspect."  Why not say who he most suspected instead of leaving as a possibility of what, like 5-6 at the time?  Why not drop a bread crumb in case he was killed at night?  Why, because I think it's bogus.  

 

I'm just not buying it.  I'm putting my vote back

 

Vote:  Isocialism

[Kitkat16]

 

I'm willing to explain my D2:

SLMK was on my radar for a while. His posting just seemed too much of "Look how active I am! I just HAVE to be town!! Look!!" I voted for him before his bogus RC. He then role claimed, and I unvoted for him with the warning, "You best not be lying" to which he then outed FS and WP. I voted for Wolfpacks briefly, thinking that maybe SLMK was accurate, but the whole neighbor thing and SLMK's continued posting patterns, including outing the 2 other neighbors presumably without their permission convinced me that my WP vote at the time was misdirected, and I moved back to SLMK and stayed there.

As for N2, one of 2 things happened:
1. The doc protected the targer
2. A roleblocker stopped the attack.

iSoc comes out almost immediately accusing both LS and SBG of being scum. He RCs a JOAT, claiming he investigated LS on N1 and roleblocked SBG on N2. It seems just too smooth to me. Also, the JOAT modifier is a convenient cover story for a scum to hide behind. If LS was scum, why didn't you push harder for his lynching iSoc? He received 0 votes on D2.

I wanna look at the WP wagon:
Wolfpacks (5): Rhizoctonia, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK, Kitkat16

1. Rhizo. I lean town, but can't 100% say yes
2. FS108. Admittedly new, maybe thought WP was the other neighbor scum, even in the face of the mounting evidence against SLMK.
3. iSoc. Questionalbe RC on D3 (so far)
4. SLMK. Dead, was scum
5. Kitkat16. Not sure about you either.

So right now I look at iSoc as my major FOS, with SBG and LS needing to be looked into, given iSoc's claim, questionable as it is.

FOS: iSocialism

 

 

TW as far as I can look back, has never used the JOAT role back to back.  Has he used it, yes, I was it once, but looking through past games as best I can, he never reused the JOAT role two games in a row, and last game there was one.  

 

Let's look at his claim a bit more.  I would say it's rather ballsy, and a poor choice of the JOAT to use his cop role N1.  There's a whole lot of people, and let's not forget this D1 was a very abbreviated day, that was shortened even more by a pretty quick NL.  Is a JOAT honestly going to waste his important cop role, N1, after a day that gave no real clue on anyone?  Out of 16 people, you're just going to waste your 1 shot on just guessing a name with nothing to go on?  I know I wouldn't, but some may. 

 

Then, after supposedly finding out LS was scum, Isocialism doesn't even pressure him D2.  I probably would be on the fence of just coming forward with this D2 since you hit on honestly the most important role of JOAT and found a scum with no more cop abilities left.  I don't see the risk in hiding that and possibly getting lynch the next night, when even if you came forward, you could always get very lucky the next night and RB the right person to prevent the kill, or a doctor could protect you.  But he didn't come forward, nor did he even insinuate he suspected LS if he did end up being killed the next night.  He didn't pressure LS.  The only thing he said near the end of D2 was a person he most suspected was part of the SLMK wagon, so he's going to vote WP.  He didn't even say a name, just "a person he suspect."  Why not say who he most suspected instead of leaving as a possibility of what, like 5-6 at the time?  Why not drop a bread crumb in case he was killed at night?  Why, because I think it's bogus.  

 

I'm just not buying it.  I'm putting my vote back

 

Vote:  Isocialism

 

 

You have to set against all this that iSoc was under no suspicion as of today, and didn't need to come forward with a roleclaim to save his neck. Throwing himself into the spotlight like this is a pretty dumb move if he *is* scum. He also, despite not naming LS yesterday, clearly did strongly suspect someone on the WP wagon. It's not something he's pulling out of nowhere on d3.

[Rhizoctonia]

I'm willing to explain my D2:

SLMK was on my radar for a while. His posting just seemed too much of "Look how active I am! I just HAVE to be town!! Look!!" I voted for him before his bogus RC. He then role claimed, and I unvoted for him with the warning, "You best not be lying" to which he then outed FS and WP. I voted for Wolfpacks briefly, thinking that maybe SLMK was accurate, but the whole neighbor thing and SLMK's continued posting patterns, including outing the 2 other neighbors presumably without their permission convinced me that my WP vote at the time was misdirected, and I moved back to SLMK and stayed there.

As for N2, one of 2 things happened:
1. The doc protected the targer
2. A roleblocker stopped the attack.

iSoc comes out almost immediately accusing both LS and SBG of being scum. He RCs a JOAT, claiming he investigated LS on N1 and roleblocked SBG on N2. It seems just too smooth to me. Also, the JOAT modifier is a convenient cover story for a scum to hide behind. If LS was scum, why didn't you push harder for his lynching iSoc? He received 0 votes on D2.

I wanna look at the WP wagon:
Wolfpacks (5): Rhizoctonia, FS108, iSocialism, Supreme Leader MK, Kitkat16

1. Rhizo. I lean town, but can't 100% say yes
2. FS108. Admittedly new, maybe thought WP was the other neighbor scum, even in the face of the mounting evidence against SLMK.
3. iSoc. Questionalbe RC on D3 (so far)
4. SLMK. Dead, was scum
5. Kitkat16. Not sure about you either.

So right now I look at iSoc as my major FOS, with SBG and LS needing to be looked into, given iSoc's claim, questionable as it is.

FOS: iSocialism

TW as far as I can look back, has never used the JOAT role back to back. Has he used it, yes, I was it once, but looking through past games as best I can, he never reused the JOAT role two games in a row, and last game there was one.

Let's look at his claim a bit more. I would say it's rather ballsy, and a poor choice of the JOAT to use his cop role N1. There's a whole lot of people, and let's not forget this D1 was a very abbreviated day, that was shortened even more by a pretty quick NL. Is a JOAT honestly going to waste his important cop role, N1, after a day that gave no real clue on anyone? Out of 16 people, you're just going to waste your 1 shot on just guessing a name with nothing to go on? I know I wouldn't, but some may.

Then, after supposedly finding out LS was scum, Isocialism doesn't even pressure him D2. I probably would be on the fence of just coming forward with this D2 since you hit on honestly the most important role of JOAT and found a scum with no more cop abilities left. I don't see the risk in hiding that and possibly getting lynch the next night, when even if you came forward, you could always get very lucky the next night and RB the right person to prevent the kill, or a doctor could protect you. But he didn't come forward, nor did he even insinuate he suspected LS if he did end up being killed the next night. He didn't pressure LS. The only thing he said near the end of D2 was a person he most suspected was part of the SLMK wagon, so he's going to vote WP. He didn't even say a name, just "a person he suspect." Why not say who he most suspected instead of leaving as a possibility of what, like 5-6 at the time? Why not drop a bread crumb in case he was killed at night? Why, because I think it's bogus.

I'm just not buying it. I'm putting my vote back

Vote: Isocialism

You have to set against all this that iSoc was under no suspicion as of today, and didn't need to come forward with a roleclaim to save his neck. Throwing himself into the spotlight like this is a pretty dumb move if he *is* scum. He also, despite not naming LS yesterday, clearly did strongly suspect someone on the WP wagon. It's not something he's pulling out of nowhere on d3.

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1 or both of you is scum. With this sudden defense of isocialism I'm now thinking both.

FYI it doesn't matter if he wasn't suspected up til today or not. The results of the vote D2 put everyone on WP's wagon as a suspect, including myself and you. I called him out, and he comes out with this all too perfect story. And saying you highly suspect someone on a wagon means absolutely nothing when you don't throw out a name. I didn't know people can now just say I suspect someone but not say who and now be worth anything. You seriously got to be kidding me. Your telling me if you know someone is scum you wouldn't pressure them or anything D2? You wouldn't even call their name out? Doesn't make sense to me, but maybe it does to someone who thinks saying they suspect someone without singling them out means something.

Hey guys....I strongly suspect someone in this game......make sure you remember I said that later.

[Kitkat16]

 

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1 or both of you is scum. With this sudden defense of isocialism I'm now thinking both.

FYI it doesn't matter if he wasn't suspected up til today or not. The results of the vote D2 put everyone on WP's wagon as a suspect, including myself and you. I called him out, and he comes out with this all too perfect story. And saying you highly suspect someone on a wagon means absolutely nothing when you don't throw out a name. I didn't know people can now just say I suspect someone but not say who and now be worth anything. You seriously got to be kidding me. Your telling me if you know someone is scum you wouldn't pressure them or anything D2? You wouldn't even call their name out? Doesn't make sense to me, but maybe it does to someone who thinks saying they suspect someone without singling them out means something.

Hey guys....I strongly suspect someone in this game......make sure you remember I said that later.

 

 

It makes sense if he was worried that scum would think he had a PR role. But let's hear from him. iSoc, why didn't you name LS yesterday?

 

Also, Rhizo, iSoc was not in immediate danger of being lynched. There were a number of us on WP's wagon. So roleclaiming is a pretty risky move.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

 

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1 or both of you is scum. With this sudden defense of isocialism I'm now thinking both.

FYI it doesn't matter if he wasn't suspected up til today or not. The results of the vote D2 put everyone on WP's wagon as a suspect, including myself and you. I called him out, and he comes out with this all too perfect story. And saying you highly suspect someone on a wagon means absolutely nothing when you don't throw out a name. I didn't know people can now just say I suspect someone but not say who and now be worth anything. You seriously got to be kidding me. Your telling me if you know someone is scum you wouldn't pressure them or anything D2? You wouldn't even call their name out? Doesn't make sense to me, but maybe it does to someone who thinks saying they suspect someone without singling them out means something.

Hey guys....I strongly suspect someone in this game......make sure you remember I said that later.

 

 

It makes sense if he was worried that scum would think he had a PR role. But let's hear from him. iSoc, why didn't you name LS yesterday?

 

 

 

It makes absolutely 0 sense.  You don't get to play this game and say you suspect someone out of 5-6 people.  That really narrows it down.  That's a straight scum move.  It doesn't matter if scum knew he had a PR.  The most important part of a JOAT, the cop role, was used, supposedly found a scum, and you don't bring it forward.  Even if you don't RC, that person is going to look to indirectly hint at someone, at least so there is something to look back on if they are killed during the night.  If he was town, he could just of easily been picked to be killed by scum and we'd know nothing.  The JOAT's other roles are not near as important as the cop, especially when you find a scum, so revealing the found scum means a lot more then his other two roles, and as I said, even if he came forward, the scum would still risk looking to kill him when a doctor is likely to protect him, and he had the RB ability as a chance to prevent the kill.  

 

You can sit here and defend your scum partner all you want.  If you're so sure, vote LS.  Eventually the truth will come out today or tomorrow.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Vote LS.
Wiggle wiggle

So now you vote LS?

It seems like a failed scum attempt to set us up.

Vote Isocialism

We know FS and WP are town at this point (presuming only 1 scum existed among the neighbors.) It is intriguing to see KitKat come to a sudden defense of Isocialism. Especially after not being on the SLMK wagon (along with Isocialism.) I'm not too sold on KitKat at the moment, but the more I look at this role claim. The more it is too coincidental and doesn't add up.

[LordSunday]

Although I agree that it doesn't completely add up, I still maintain that I think it's more on the side that I was framed on N1 then iSoc lying. Given my knowledge, I don't see a reason for iSoc to specifically target me as a scum, unless he decided to just pick a name from a hat...

 

I'm not voting iSoc because I'm not even close to sold on the fact he's scum. In fact, I'm looking more at SBG and Rhizo for suddenly jumping at iSoc and forming a quick wagon. FB also very quickly joined into this iSoc wagon...

 

Sure, iSoc is accusing and voting me, but if he isn't lying about his role he has every right to, hence why I'm defending him.

[Kitkat16]

 

Vote LS.
Wiggle wiggle

So now you vote LS?

It seems like a failed scum attempt to set us up.

Vote Isocialism

We know FS and WP are town at this point (presuming only 1 scum existed among the neighbors.) It is intriguing to see KitKat come to a sudden defense of Isocialism. Especially after not being on the SLMK wagon (along with Isocialism.) I'm not too sold on KitKat at the moment, but the more I look at this role claim. The more it is too coincidental and doesn't add up.

 

 

The more you look at it, the more it doesn't add up? Well of course you would say that, he just accused you of likely being scum.

 

It's not just iSoc's word we have to go on here. SBG also changed his vote to MK at the last minute, which is dubious. He's not some random person iSoc is picking out of nowhere; he's a fairly logical choice to roleblock if one has a roleblock ability. 

 

I think SBG is probably the ninja (assuming we have one, which is a pretty good bet.) If I were the scum team, I'd use the ninja for every single kill until he got lynched or otherwise killed. The only alternative is that the doctor saved whoever it was from being killed, but given that SBG is a decent candidate for scum based on his last minute switch, I'd say he's a pretty good bet.

 

For some reason, when I posted this the last bit didn't get posted properly, so I'll repost it now. Re: LS, I really don't know what to think. It seems curious that if iSoc is setting him up that he isn't hitting back. I really can't be bothered writing out my full reasoning from my original post but tl;dr I'm unsure about LS and don't know what to think.

 

FoS SBG

[iSocialism]

I didn't need to. I wanted to see how he acted throughout the day without pressure. The only pressure I gave was his immediate accusations against COD. He will be lynched tomorrow if not today.
But to say that is the reason is just him setting himself up for the next day excuse. He knows I'm town. His using that for his creed.
No where did I say sbg is scum. I just said he was role blocked. But it shouldn't be too hard to read into this.

[Kitkat16]

I didn't need to. I wanted to see how he acted throughout the day without pressure. The only pressure I gave was his immediate accusations against COD. He will be lynched tomorrow if not today.

 

I believe you, but I think it was a poor move not to even allude to him being scum so that we could comb through your posts if you died. I hope you're telling the truth or I am dead for sure tomorrow if you get lynched.  Was the idea that simply alluding to it wouldn't help us much?

[Kitkat16]

Guys I just find it seriously unlikely that someone would make this kind of roleclaim when not under immediate pressure.

 

Now I have stuff to do irl, so am getting offline. But I've said what I need to say. Will check back later.

[Lyner]

Oh well, now I'm not so sure about Rhizo

 

And really, Yehom? CoD and me are literally the 2 votes that started the bandwagon to lynch MK, am also the first to point out that his RC doesn't protect him one bit. If I were scum I can save him anytime yesterday simply by changing my vote to Wolfpack, citing that MK's role is more believable and potentially be more beneficial to the town than the VT WP, something like what you said here

 

 

Also I believe iSoc's role, but not sure if framer is in play.

 

I think Rhizo is town, protective powers should consider targeting him tonight

 

I'm also a good target choice

 

 

This was Lyner's comment near the end yesterday.  I'm glad you think I'm town, as I am, but this seems rather strange to be so sold that I'm town.  Especially considering the fact I was on the opposite wagon as you, and I would of been part of a lynch of a town.  Seems strange you would be sold I am town, yet voting on the opposite of you.  I know I didn't have anyone I would be sold on is for sure town D2, and I know if I was going to pick anyone to suggest is town, it likely would be someone I'm on the same wagon as, not on the other. 

 

Then you go one step further and suggest I be protected.  Seems like a rather indirect way of trying to have our possible doctor protect me when you, a scum, planned on hitting another target anyway.  

 

Wagon sides are worth nothing if you didn't have any real informations on which one is the scum. Let's just say it's just a gut feeling, just like when I picked MK over WP

 

 

Also sure I'll use that trick next time I'm scum