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[Wolfpacks]

Sorry i dont get the rush to end the day or being forced to vote as far as im aware we have 2 days left why the hurry up all of the sudden, i can understand Isoc wanting it over so he can either stop defending himself and prove he was telling the truth or to be found out but even then if it were the latter then i wouldnt be in such a hurry, but as for the others. Especially some who have hardly said a word all day, what gives

[Wolfpacks]

Interesting role LS not sure she was in the order of the phoenix, more the goblet of fire if i remember rightly

[Rhizoctonia]

 

LS is the one reminding everyone of framer role. Very vaguely though. Because if he is to survive today he will need the role so much after my lynch. I believe it exists, but don't care after that. As of right now, I have created conversation, and made people join sides. All when I didn't need to RC, however in all reality I haven't really RC. Just told you guys my results

 

What am I supposed to do? Sit here and deny there's a framer and just let you try to get a townie lynched? I'm not trying to intentionally bring up a framer role, I'm simply saying consider it and other factors before you lynch a townie, get yourself lynched, and we lose two town members when we could've lost none.

 

You seem so content on your "results" that you're denying to even acknowledge or consider that a framer could exist in this game. It seems pretty evident if you get lynched and are what you claim, we're losing two town members over a framer role you seem to be avoiding acknowledging the possibility of. If I get lynched, you'll be singing the same tune as me when my death sentence comes out green.

 

Originally I leaned more to the fact you were possibly telling the truth. The more you talk and less you want to consider the other possibilities, the more I believe others that you very well could just be scum trying to take one or two townies down with you.

 

 

 

I just can't think someone whose a VT would be so sold on a framer, and that they hit N1.  I thought, maybe you know something from a role that may understand why you would be.  

 

I was so sold it was Isocialism...but LS seems to me like the better choice.

 

Isocialism is dead tomorrow if LS is lynched and is town.  If Isocialism is the scum, I may very likely be the one killed tonight.  Keep an eye on who I've said if I am, and arguments this day with others.  

 

Vote:  LS

[FS108]

Interesting role LS not sure she was in the order of the phoenix, more the goblet of fire if i remember rightly

she was in the order of the phoenix i am a harry potter geek i know she rated out the DA to the bitch Umbrige in hogwarts 

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Cho_Chang

[LordSunday]

I just can't think someone whose a VT would be so sold on a framer, and that they hit N1.

 

The reason I was sold on a framer was because I more believe iSoc's RC then not, and at the time the only way I thought he could get that result would be if I were framed. Now according to others who have just posted recently, there could be other factors that gave him a false reading. And as someone who embraces probabilities, the only factor at that point is whoever iSoc investigated.

 

In the end, I'm still very hesitant to vote for him. By the end of the day I'll try to come up with more thoughts, but that's pretty much all I know.

[iSocialism]

1. Chaplain of Death - Town, was called out by LS right away on d2 Early vote on SLMK.
2. Finster Baby - seems to switches sides, has change his point, willing to talk and caus commotion. There's just a gut feeling for me though.
3. FS108 - Neighbor/Town.
4. KevinH - He's not being Kevin, he should be voting by post counts. Was not on WP or SLMK at the end.
5. King Cankles - seems to used his votes to seem town more then to hunt scum. Refused/lack to question LS. Leaning Scum
6. Kitkat16 - He's smart... You guys tell me. I think he's willing to take out all the other scum. While being on their team. Having him as a scum player is something to be worried about.
7. LordSunday - Scum
8. Lyner - Was willing to stand up and put himself in the spotlight. Early voting on SLMK Leaning town
9. Rhizoctonia - Town in my book, been active, and is causing commotion/investigating. Either town or smooth scum.
10. SeaBeeGipson - The lack of interaction/acknowledge by LS.Changed his vote at the end of d2 - Neutral.
11. Sister Midnight - shes always is quiet, kind of like kevin. Neutral.
12. Wolfpacks - Neighbor/town
13. Yehom - He's here but not here at the same time. Neutral

The ones in green are the ones' i'm only willing to fully call town IMO. The one in solid red.. well you should all know now.  Everyone else has the chance of being scum. I don't think voting pattern from yesterday and this day will fully show who they are. My PR abilities would be used on them at the end of the night if I were you guys. Not bad though. I would think by the end of d4 you would have 11 left with at most 3 scum. With a little more solidness of whole scum are, and a lot more than from today.

 

Popcorn Kitkat. your turn for your list buddy.

[Yehom]

Just read through about 6 pages worth of discussion. Had a busy week. At this moment it's between either iSoc with the JOAT RC and LS who has just claimed to be a VT. Reading through everything to me the fact that iSoc managed to 'catch' LS on N1 is something that could be somewhat believable. But everything after that seems way to far fetched, almost to good to be true. I mean what are the odds that someone managed to use all his JOAT so far with that success rate, that early in the game? It wouldn't surprise me if the scum team deliberately chose not to kill someone, so iSoc could cause some chaos in the game. Claim that you are a role that can do all, throw out some false leads and voila townies confused. LS can't do anything but defend himself or RC. That's a win for the scum team if he turns out to be a PR and he has to RC. Same goes for SGB. iSoc effectively manage to put himself into the spotlight and dragged LS and SGB with him. Make a choice, it's either you believe LS, SGB or iSoc. If you believe iSoc there is still a toss-up between LS and SGB. Believing either LS or SGB doesn't exclude the fact that the other could still be scum. What it also does is potentially bait out other PR. Maybe someone knew that either LS or SGB was innocent. That person makes that clear, but again it doesn't exclude the other person and scum know who to target. To me it sounds to good to be true what iSoc claims he has manage to pull off. The implications his statements have made seem too fabricated to me. The fact that he acted like he did with the information that he supposedly had, doesn't add up to me either . What would he have done if WP was lynched instead of SLMK? Would he have played this out the same way? I highly doubt it. Also regarding LS' RC. Unless anybody else has that name, which would be very likely if the name was fake, I'm pretty sure LS should be in the clear if nobody else has that name. I don't want to end the day early, so I'm not going to vote officially. Off the records, iSoc to me is scum

[SeaBeeGipson]

Isocialism claims to have a Vig Kill left, so correct me if I'm wrong; wouldn't it make sense to lynch LS to discover his standings and see if there is a vig kill tomorrow?

 

The only back fires are

 

Scums don't make a kill, while Isocialism does. It'd be hard to tell what happened, or any factor stopping a kill (like today); or Isocialism is scum, kills someone, and claims scum didn't kill to frame him. I see a number of reasons this wouldn't work. Also, is there a scum role allowing for a vig kill? We've had a scum JoAT before I believe. That could backfire as well.

I see a number of disadvantages to town this could present (especially since we aren't sure who is what at this moment and LS isn't helping his case.)

 

Just a thought, but I'd like to get others input.

 

I'm starting to see the reasoning behind Isocialism and him wanting to end the day doesn't seem scummy to me. He knows he isn't the only wagon, he knows there is a chance LS could be lynched instead. Why would a scum sacrifice himself just for "results"? 

 

While my theory above makes me think Isocialism may be telling the truth, I'd rather hear more input before I withdraw my vote. As it stands currently in my mind, the wagons are even and scums could easily tip a wagon; so as the day draws near with this many people not having voted it makes sense to watch if they try to pull a quick lynch on the wrong target. I hope I'm conveying my thoughts correctly, because I'm trying to write this at work. Any inputs?

[iSocialism]

That's why i didn't state the rest of my abilities. I didn't want to use it as leverage. I was actually going to play it off as a n4 ability so scum wouldn't kill me right away.

 

Again NO WHERE have I said SBG is scum. So I only got "lucky" the first night. Also LS is saying he believe me, so if you think LS is telling the truth that would imply I"M TOWN. As in the suicide run theory. That's absurd, this game started as a 4:12 game. With the lynch of SLMK it's 3:11. I don't know how I would be able to take out two players after LS flipped town. I doubted it if you all be like "oh LS is town, well let's give iSoc a second chance" Please. Meaning I would only be able to take out one player, maybe force both to RC'ed, but I wouldn't role claim if someone else is going to get lynched, so really only one RC, unless you all deflect towards the next player. After all this though, even with two taken out with me it would make the game 2;9. It's better odd/ratio for scum, but still a crappy situation. Reality would be only be one taken out with me, so really 2;10. SOOO i guess you can say it's a suicide run, but more like a 5k awareness run about unfair lynching at Hogwarts, meaning (i'm trying to take out scum).

 

In the whole name thing.. really Yehom is this your first game of TW?

[Finster Baby]

Interesting role LS not sure she was in the order of the phoenix, more the goblet of fire if i remember rightly

she was in the order of the phoenix i am a harry potter geek i know she rated out the DA to the bitch Umbrige in hogwarts 

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Cho_Chang

Not in the books she didn't. Only in the movie. </semantics>

Rhizo has convinced me, and LS's RC is too convenient, IMO.

VOTE: Lord Sunday

If LS comes up town, iSoc is #1, #2, and #3 on my list.

[LordSunday]

That's absurd, this game started as a 4:12 game. With the lynch of SLMK it's 3:11.

 

I thought there could be 4 or 5 scum?

 

Either way, the sad thing is I fear the town is playing right into the scum's hands lynching one of us, and then on top of that assuring to lynch the other if the lynched member is found to be town (which I believe will be the case in either instance).

 

After today, the ratio will fall to either 3:10 or 4:9... The day after, assuming there's a night kill, it could very well drop all the way to 3:8 or 4:7...

 

As it's pretty obvious nobody will see the reasoning that both iSoc and myself could be town, it's pointless for me to continue arguing this. If iSoc is lynched, I have to pray he comes up scum or else my death warrant is sealed. And it's the same vice versa.

 

Vote: iSocalism

 

Purely because if I put my vote anywhere else it will mean nothing, and there's a higher chance iSoc is scum then I am, because I know I'm town.

[Sister Midnight]

Interesting role LS not sure she was in the order of the phoenix, more the goblet of fire if i remember rightly

She's in it. She's part of Dumbledore's Army. Umbrage uses Veritaserum on her to make her give up DA's location.


Addendum

Interesting role LS not sure she was in the order of the phoenix, more the goblet of fire if i remember rightly

she was in the order of the phoenix i am a harry potter geek i know she rated out the DA to the bitch Umbrige in hogwarts http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Cho_Chang

Not in the books she didn't. Only in the movie. </semantics>Rhizo has convinced me, and LS's RC is too convenient, IMO.VOTE: Lord SundayIf LS comes up town, iSoc is #1, #2, and #3 on my list.

This is what I get for getting all impulsive in my HP knowledge sharing and not continuing to read everything first. (Blush)

[King Cankles]

Now that I'm re reading all the posts, I'm honestly torn between the vote.

I know that either way we lynch we're gonna get some info to work with. iSoc accusing LS of being scum was so abrupt and unexpected that it's almost believable. It almost seems desperate, but if iSoc is experienced in Mafia then I don't think he'd be stupid enough to make a false claim that thirsty..

On the flip side if we lynch LS and he's scum, we'll know iSoc was town. If we lynch and he's town, we'll know iSoc is scum.

Unvote

Vote: LordSunday

[LordSunday]

Since I'm at 6 votes and scum can hammer my death overnight, I just want it to be known that the honest #1 on my list is Rhizo. He's the first proponent of the "lynch the other if the one lynched today is town" theory, and given that I'm confident iSoc is town, he very well knows that this will kill off two townies without drawing much suspicion to himself.

 

iSoc, your inability to understand that your result could have been and were wrong is costing the town 2 lives. If the maf wins, I personally place that blame on you.

 

Another to note is the man above me who made this notion of lynching the other immediately if I am town (King Cankles). These people most likely know both of us are town, and will more than likely be the first ones to push for iSoc's lynch tomorrow when I come up green.

[Kitkat16]

Having weighed everything up, I'm going to go with something completely different....

 

Vote: SBG

 

iSoc and LS's behaviour is so weird if indeed either of them are scum that I'm actually inclined to believe them. I don't have anything more to say at present because I'm not actually on much atm. As I mentioned, stuff going on irl.

[LordSunday]

Unvote

 

Vote: Rhizo

 

I went with my gut on the MK vote, and if I'm going to die I might as well vote for the person who is #1 on my list.

[Lyner]

Interesting that people suddenly flocked on LS once he claimed VT.

[Sister Midnight]

Interesting that people suddenly flocked on LS once he claimed VT.

What do you make of that?

[Kitkat16]

 

1. Chaplain of Death - Town, was called out by LS right away on d2 Early vote on SLMK.
2. Finster Baby - seems to switches sides, has change his point, willing to talk and caus commotion. There's just a gut feeling for me though.
3. FS108 - Neighbor/Town.
4. KevinH - He's not being Kevin, he should be voting by post counts. Was not on WP or SLMK at the end.
5. King Cankles - seems to used his votes to seem town more then to hunt scum. Refused/lack to question LS. Leaning Scum
6. Kitkat16 - He's smart... You guys tell me. I think he's willing to take out all the other scum. While being on their team. Having him as a scum player is something to be worried about.
7. LordSunday - Scum
8. Lyner - Was willing to stand up and put himself in the spotlight. Early voting on SLMK Leaning town
9. Rhizoctonia - Town in my book, been active, and is causing commotion/investigating. Either town or smooth scum.
10. SeaBeeGipson - The lack of interaction/acknowledge by LS.Changed his vote at the end of d2 - Neutral.
11. Sister Midnight - shes always is quiet, kind of like kevin. Neutral.
12. Wolfpacks - Neighbor/town
13. Yehom - He's here but not here at the same time. Neutral

The ones in green are the ones' i'm only willing to fully call town IMO. The one in solid red.. well you should all know now.  Everyone else has the chance of being scum. I don't think voting pattern from yesterday and this day will fully show who they are. My PR abilities would be used on them at the end of the night if I were you guys. Not bad though. I would think by the end of d4 you would have 11 left with at most 3 scum. With a little more solidness of whole scum are, and a lot more than from today.

 

Popcorn Kitkat. your turn for your list buddy.

 

 

I'm smart? Where's that coming from? Don't get me wrong, I'm flattered. I just don't think I've done anything particularly cunning this game.

 

Interesting that people suddenly flocked on LS once he claimed VT.

 

What SM said. What significance do you see in that?

[Chaplain of death]

Interesting that people suddenly flocked on LS once he claimed VT.

 

Makes him less of a risk imo. If we lynch iSoc and hes town, we lose his vig kill. If we lynch LS and hes town we only lose a VT. Either way its a toss up, neither is conclusive imo but I'm still leaning LS.

 

Rhizo you do have a point, I've been quiet again today but with LS and iSoc being the topic of the day and its just a matter of choosing one or the other. I'm not going to wade into the middle claiming to have the answer because I sure as shit don't. I cast my vote, but I'd rather let them argue and see where the conversation leads than step into the middle to argue the case for them in this instance.

 

I will say one thing for iSoc though, people commented on it being scummy that he seemingly withheld a scum result on his investigation, but with the fact that he hit scum so early its only natural to hold on to that result for a day or so. He didn't think he was in any danger (which he was right) of dying the next night, and we had clearly identified a small group that included at least one scum, so by letting us pursue that lead before giving us the next scum, he could potentially lead us to another beyond his investigation result. This is all assuming that his claim is true, but its a legit tactic to use after getting an early scum result.