From the perspective of a townie in {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism}, there would be a 33.3% chance on each of the others in that group that they'd be scum. Why aren't they voting that way? Maybe there are 2 scum in that group and they are afraid of being in on a second townie lynch in as many days.
This is a very good point and furthers my thoughts before about there potentially being two scum on the wagon.
TW: I have already expressed my concerns about him and why I think he might be scum
Lachiton: Hasn't really given off a scummy vibe, but not a super townish one either. And frigid said he thinks Lach is innocent. If you saw the accidental PM from frigid, my thoughts on this would make a little more sense. Basically, either lach is legit innocent and has been cleared by frigid, or lach is scum, and they developed the accidental PM as a ploy to make people think lach is inno. Basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum. If someone out there is actually the cop and it isnt frigid, then you would be able to verify that that was indeed a ploy, thus making it extremly likely that lachiton and frigid are both scum. I dont think this hypothetical plan of theirs would be very likely to actually have ahppened though, because it would be a huge risk if there was an actual cop would could easily counter this claim. However is scum have the cop role, it could be a very strong attempted deception. So I am suspicious of this, but not enough for a vote or an FoS.
Legoboy: Has acted fairly townish to me so far. Nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes that screams scum.
Isoc. Was the hammer, and joked about wanting to be the hammer. Could have used the joking nature to cover the fact he was scum trying to make sure a townie died, and for the most part he has been fairly inactive without contributing much
and back to the frigid lach thing, now that I think of it, if frigid was really inno and accidentally outed himself via the pm, why on earth would the scum have allowed him to live through N1? It would have been a huge risk, since the scum could have easily gotten a kill on a town power role and eliminated the chance of them being outed via the power role. Therefore: FoS both Frigid and Lachiton
I'd have to agree with The Warrior that I think the pm fiasco was a mistake. He also mentioned some different scenarios, so we just now have to ask ourselves if we believe him to be a town cop or mafia cop.
That said, I don't believe it would be wise for a cop counterclaim on the off chance that Frigid is a role cop and is believing Lachiton to be innocent based on a role claim result.
To answer your question about Frigid staying alive through night 1, my guess would be that all night action submissions are final. So if scum sent in their night kill as soon as possible, they'd have no chance to change it later if something came up in the case of Frigid.
snipA few things about that. While you do raise a good point that it would be against the rules, perhaps as a new player he would not have known it was a violation, and as MK previously stated with the Kitkat situation, when we were curious what would have happened if kitkat did violate the rules, MK said he would handle it privately with kitkat. Therefore i think its safe to assume that if it was a ploy MK would have handled it privately with frigid, thus making it still possible it was a ploy. Of all the people to come to the defense of someone I am suggesting might be scum the first to defend frigid is TW, who is also someone I suggested as scum. While im sure that is just a coincidence, I do find it interesting.
A few more thoughts.
if frigid is indeed innocent, TW suggesting Frigid confirm he is indeed the cop would almost ensure his lynch by the mafia. While he is trying to make it look like a friendly suggestion to the town, TW would be virtually sealing the fate of frigid if he admits it. That to me is pretty scummy. Yes Yes I know I was the first one to bring up the PM mistake, but plenty of us saw it, and my intention was to talk about the fact that it might be fake.
And if frigid is indeed scum, and therefor would not die at night, TW has also created a reason for why the town should keep frigid alive: by suggesting that frigid is being role blocked and framed by the scum.
and also to further my point about TW asking Frigid to confirm he is the cop. Lets consider frigid for a moment being scum. He could admit he is the cop, and end up being scum as the cop. OR perhaps scum has the role of 1-Shot Redirector which in turn would prevent there from being a cop, and frigid could saftly admit it without a potential counter claim. So even if Frigid is scum, TW has coverage with trying to paint him as town by admitting he is the cop
Having not seen the deleted PMs, I can't attest to how they were worded, but if Frigid was a Redirector, I don't think he would "investigate". Unless it was a lapse in wording.