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[MK-3] Pick Your Power X/Y - Town Wins


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From the perspective of a townie in {The Warrior, Lachiton, legoboyvdlp, iSocialism}, there would be a 33.3% chance on each of the others in that group that they'd be scum.  Why aren't they voting that way?   Maybe there are 2 scum in that group and they are afraid of being in on a second townie lynch in as many days.
 

 

This is a very good point and furthers my thoughts before about there potentially being two scum on the wagon.

 

TW:  I have already expressed my concerns about him and why I think he might be scum

Lachiton:  Hasn't really given off a scummy vibe, but not a super townish one either.  And frigid said he thinks Lach is innocent.  If you saw the accidental PM from frigid, my thoughts on this would make a little more sense.  Basically, either lach is legit innocent and has been cleared by frigid, or lach is scum, and they developed the accidental PM as a ploy to make people think lach is inno.  Basically frigid accidentally says he is investigating lachiton in the group PM chat so everyone can see it, then deletes it to make it look like a mistake, and then says he thinks lachiton is innocent, which in turn would make everyone who saw the mistake think Lachiton is indeed innocent via the results of the investigation, when in fact he is actually scum.  If someone out there is actually the cop and it isnt frigid, then you would be able to verify that that was indeed a ploy, thus making it extremly likely that lachiton and frigid are both scum.  I dont think this hypothetical plan of theirs would be very likely to actually have ahppened though, because it would be a huge risk if there was an actual cop would could easily counter this claim.  However is scum have the cop role, it could be a very strong attempted deception.  So I am suspicious of this, but not enough for a vote or an FoS.

 

Legoboy:  Has acted fairly townish to me so far.  Nothing out of the ordinary in my eyes that screams scum.

 

Isoc.  Was the hammer, and joked about wanting to be the hammer.  Could have used the joking nature to cover the fact he was scum trying to make sure a townie died, and for the most part he has been fairly inactive without contributing much


and back to the frigid lach thing, now that I think of it, if frigid was really inno and accidentally outed himself via the pm, why on earth would the scum have allowed him to live through N1?  It would have been a huge risk, since the scum could have easily gotten a kill on a town power role and eliminated the chance of them being outed via the power role.  Therefore:  FoS both Frigid and Lachiton  

 

 

I'd have to agree with The Warrior that I think the pm fiasco was a mistake. He also mentioned some different scenarios, so we just now have to ask ourselves if we believe him to be a town cop or mafia cop.

 

That said, I don't believe it would be wise for a cop counterclaim on the off chance that Frigid is a role cop and is believing Lachiton to be innocent based on a role claim result.

 

To answer your question about Frigid staying alive through night 1, my guess would be that all night action submissions are final. So if scum sent in their night kill as soon as possible, they'd have no chance to change it later if something came up in the case of Frigid.

 

 


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A few things about that.  While you do raise a good point that it would be against the rules, perhaps as a new player he would not have known it was a violation, and as MK previously stated with the Kitkat situation, when we were curious what would have happened if kitkat did violate the rules, MK said he would handle it privately with kitkat.  Therefore i think its safe to assume that if it was a ploy MK would have handled it privately with frigid, thus making it still possible it was a ploy. Of all the people to come to the defense of someone I am suggesting might be scum the first to defend frigid is TW, who is also someone I suggested as scum.  While im sure that is just a coincidence, I do find it interesting.  


A few more thoughts. 

 

if frigid is indeed innocent, TW suggesting Frigid confirm he is indeed the cop would almost ensure his lynch by the mafia. While he is trying to make it look like a friendly suggestion to the town,  TW would be virtually sealing the fate of frigid if he admits it.  That to me is pretty scummy.  Yes Yes I know I was the first one to bring up the PM mistake, but plenty of us saw it, and my intention was to talk about the fact that it might be fake.

 

And if frigid is indeed scum, and therefor would not die at night, TW has also created a reason for why the town should keep frigid alive:  by suggesting that frigid is being role blocked and framed by the scum.  


and also to further my point about TW asking Frigid to confirm he is the cop.  Lets consider frigid for a moment being scum.  He could admit he is the cop, and end up being scum as the cop.  OR perhaps scum has the role of 1-Shot Redirector which in turn would prevent there from being a cop, and frigid could saftly admit it without a potential counter claim.  So even if Frigid is scum, TW has coverage with trying to paint him as town by admitting he is the cop

 

 

Having not seen the deleted PMs, I can't attest to how they were worded, but if Frigid was a Redirector, I don't think he would "investigate". Unless it was a lapse in wording.


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Here are the list of roles players select from:

1)Night 3 Vigilante OR Vengeful
2)1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO
3)Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector
4)1-Shot Commuter OR 1-Shot Watcher
5)Doctor OR Roleblocker
6)Universal Backup OR Role Cop
7)Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor
8)Jailkeeper OR Tracker

 

In common English, only Cop or Role Cop would  get "investigate" as a verb.



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My favorite part about vgm's post. they make me unreasonably happy.

In common English, only Cop or Role Cop would  get "investigate" as a verb.

jesus i can barely see that

believing Lachiton to be innocent based on a role claim result.


No mk literally says alignment:town or alignment:mafia/scum(dont know, havent hit paydirt yet)

IF someone is a doctor, you get me pls? lol


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As I said, it seems pretty evident we have no doctor, given we seem to have a roleblocker, so you probably won't last the night if mafia saw this whole thing. 


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Day's end is coming up soon people. What are we gonna do?

​Also - is it just me or has Rafay been really quiet the last 3-4 days? Can we got post count/vote updates?



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he may just be busy.
also concerning the goldiron bandwagon. i think it was lego, tw, lachiton, and isoc? i say we vote off either tw or isoc. lachiton is confirmed townie, and even though i have my vote on lego, he hasnt really done anything scummy/defensive. And considering Isoc wanted to be the hammer:
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also mk idk where your at but we'll need an official vote/post counter very soon.


i'll try to do one really fast as well until official


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All these confirmed townie talks makes me feel I am dead next night, if not this night -_- Thanks guys, it was fun :P

Deadline is 18th right? We still have some time so let's make use of it.

As of now Unvote.


The main suspects seems to be TW and iSoc. I will have to read back all the exchanges on my free time.

Till then why SBG and Rafay are staying quiet? We haven't heard much from either of them for quite sometime.



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Good point about SBG and Rafay. Prob just inactive. But one could be scum laying low while we all accuse other people.
If someone gets close to a Lynch and either of them turn up to vote, well then we might have a new suspect


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So, the day is ending. And you're worried about getting a lynch in. The only clue you got is to go for the person who placed the hammer vote.
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Day 2 Post Counter:

 

Frigid:32
Brewers:32
Lego:11
Canik:9
Kevin:8
Rob:8
Lach:7
Isoc:7
TW:6
VG:5
Rafay:3
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All these confirmed townie talks makes me feel I am dead next night, if not this night Thanks guys, it was fun

Nah im pretty sure im the dead one here

both sbg and rafay have been super silent, i mean kit the ghost has almost said more than them this day


i also like the fact that brewers and i combined nearly outnumbers the other member's


64 ours to 65 everyone else


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Day's end is coming up soon people. What are we gonna do?

​Also - is it just me or has Rafay been really quiet the last 3-4 days? Can we got post count/vote updates?

This is how Rafay plays every single game. He posts a few days early on to remove any pressure on him and then he lurks for the majority of the day and will only resurface to cast a vote or to half-heartedly discredit anyone who mentions his name negatively. We tried to condemn this playstyle a few games ago by pressuring him early all the time but then you "no lynch" crowd always end up giving him a free pass. My suggestion is always to make sure you are asking everyone for constant input, especially if they are largely silent.. Hence the reason I asked for his thoughts after it was revealed that the flavor text has meaning.

 

Additionally, if Rafay happens to be scum he is managing to stay out of any major dispute happening amongst townies. As I also noted earlier with the whole love triangle thing, I do not like seeing large back and forths like that between 2-3 players while everyone else stays silent. It usually means that townies are bickering with one another and the scum loves watching them do their job for them.

 

This is also one of the reasons why I believe brewers to be town. If he was scum he would know already that I'm not and would be a fool to continue pushing for my lynch.

 

also concerning the goldiron bandwagon. i think it was lego, tw, lachiton, and isoc? i say we vote off either tw or isoc. lachiton is confirmed townie, and even though i have my vote on lego, he hasnt really done

I just want to point out that Lachiton is not confirmed town... yet. If you are truly the cop and were hinting to us that you investigated him, we cannot definitively say that Lachiton is town until we know your alignment. A scum cop would only exist to deceive. I am not accusing you of being scum, mind you. I'm just making sure that no one takes role alignment for granted in this game. Nothing is a given.

 

Good point about SBG and Rafay. Prob just inactive. But one could be scum laying low while we all accuse other people.
If someone gets close to a Lynch and either of them turn up to vote, well then we might have a new suspect

I doubt that it's inactivity, particularly in Rafay's case. As noted above, this is his modus operandi. However, IF either or both of them are scum, of course they are enjoying sitting back watching the rest of us bicker with one another. Their work is being done for them.

 

So, Rafay and SBG, what's up? Any thoughts you'd like to share? Your input would be appreciated.


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Yeah leaving Rafay to his own means can be dangerous, learnt that the hard way on my last mafia game. Perhaps a vote on him will bring him out from hibernation.

Vote: Rafay

SBG is bit hard to read for me as I am not much aware of his play style. I did play with him last game and he wasn't super active but not that inactive either. This time only serious post he made on D2 was he suspected there's a scum on the wagon, nothing else.



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So, the day is ending. And you're worried about getting a lynch in. The only clue you got is to go for the person who placed the hammer vote.

​.. Yes? Your point?

Another clue is your continued focus on defense and no focus on offense. I wonder how much you would've posted today if we didn't pressure you.. not much, I'm guessing. 


 



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My suspicion stays on frigid. If it's a role cop, it has potential to be a scum role cop. Yes they do exist and I've seen them.

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The hammer vote is all i got.



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Day 2 Post Counter:

 

Frigid:32
Brewers:32
Lego:11
Canik:9
Kevin:8
Rob:8
Lach:7
Isoc:7
TW:6
VG:5
Rafay:3
SBG:3
Kit:2

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Isoc:3 (Frigid, Canik, KevinH)
TW:1(Brewers)
Brewers:1 (VG)


 

 

All these confirmed townie talks makes me feel I am dead next night, if not this night Thanks guys, it was fun

Nah im pretty sure im the dead one here

both sbg and rafay have been super silent, i mean kit the ghost has almost said more than them this day


i also like the fact that brewers and i combined nearly outnumbers the other member's


64 ours to 65 everyone else

For some reason thought Warrior posted more. Crazy to see some of those numbers spelled out in that way though.

 

Regardless, I wouldn't say it's a guarantee you're dead tonight. IF there is a doctor, he'd be wise to protect you if you are indeed the cop. Of course, we could have no doctor. But if the mafia believe there's a doctor, sometimes that's all you need to survive. Now, if we happen to lynch the doctor / roleblocker tonight, then yeah, you're probably boned.

 

My suspicion stays on frigid. If it's a role cop, it has potential to be a scum role cop. Yes they do exist and I've seen them.

 

I don't think anyone is doubting that. I could be wrong, but I think a scum role cop is actually more common than a town role cop. Of course, alignments are all sorts of crazy in this game. At the very least, we know it's a 50/50 shot of there even being a role cop in this game.


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The hammer vote is all i got.

which is not a scum tell sign. Maybe we should have no lynched day one. We would have been better off with an inactive one shot watcher.
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The hammer vote is all i got.

which is not a scum tell sign. Maybe we should have no lynched day one. We would have been better off with an inactive one shot watcher.
maybe. But people insist on lynching.

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The problem is that townies want to lynch on day 1, even though it is to the scum's advantage.



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The problem is that townies want to lynch on day 1, even though it is to the scum's advantage.

On the contrary Kevin, doing a no lynch allows the mafia to hide easier. You can never rely on the power roles, as A) you don't know if they exist (especially in an open setup) and B ) even if they do exist, they could always die on the first night which negates any potential benefit you would have gained from waiting. Lynching and then investigating those lynches is a power the scum can't take away from us. The only people who can take that power away is the town itself (not counting special roles like the governor).

 

I understand you've been indoctrinated long ago for the side of no lynching. I just don't want you using reaper powers to indoctrinate the rest, especially the newer players. ;)


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