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[Robert2424]

Yes, I did that via my phone, not on my computer. Its still very well a serous vote. 

[brewersalliance]

In no way did I ever mean that I was taking KitKat serious. I was just suggesting it as a possibility for why he was lynched. Right now, we have a lot of it's frigid, no it's TW, no, it's Canik,no isoc and then a couple people not directly leading the reasoning but agreeing with some, and then others who are completely quiet. So my guess is someone who prob spoke up in the discussion in a minor way is probably scum, one of the people in the thick of the discussion is scum, and then one of the people completely quiet is scum.

So one from each of these groups is scum (just a feeling)
A) TW, Canik, Brewers, Isoc, Frigid
Lego, lachiton, kevinH, vgm
C) rafay, robert, sbg

Just a gut feeling, I don't have evidence or anything but just a feeling
That was supposed to be a B ,not a smiley face lol

[The Warrior]

It seems that VGM posted while I was writing. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. [OOC] Im sorry about the circumstances leading to your reduced activity. My condolences. [/OOC]

@VGM - The reason I took a hard look at Canik is because he was being very passive aggressive against me today after GoldIron's lynch. Several of his posts called for me to scum hunt more (which I hadn't done a whole lot of because of a busy work schedule). After his multiple posts asking for it, I noticed that he was asking me to scum hunt but was not actually doing any of it himself. So I asked myself why that was the case. That led me to the fact that I was already being talked about in a negative light by brewers and a couple others because of the day 1 KitKat joke and my vote for GoldIron. I thought that this could be Canik's way of appearing to do something without actually doing something since if he is scum he knows that I'm not. All he was doing was gently casting shade in my direction by continuing the "TW was in on the lynch of a townie" line of discussion and then saying "and he isn't actively scum hunting either". Scum generally want to do as little "scum hunting" as possible while simultaneously making it appear that they are scum hunting. This appeared to be what was going on in Canik's case. So I decided to dig into it further and when re-reading the entire day 1, I unearthed the behaviors I noted earlier. If I get lynched anyway, I at least wanted the rest of the town to see it all and realize that there are others who are skating by unnoticed at the present time.

I am curious about Frigid's unvote to. I get that you're traveling and may not show up again before deadline but why think the evidence was good enough against canik and then the next day unvote?

[The Warrior]

No thoughts, Rafay? You stopped by but didn't have anything to say? The town would appreciate your participation.

[Canik]

Several of his posts called for me to scum hunt more (which I hadn't done a whole lot of because of a busy work schedule). After his multiple posts asking for it, I noticed that he was asking me to scum hunt but was not actually doing any of it himself.

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All he was doing was gently casting shade in my direction by continuing the "TW was in on the lynch of a townie" line of discussion and then saying "and he isn't actively scum hunting either".

​Just because I haven't made a post as epic as yours doesn't mean I haven't been scum hunting. In addition to 'casting shade' (aka pointing out facts about you) your way I voted for & grilled iSoc. I've been active in the discussions.. that may not sound like a lot but it's about as much as anyone else has done. More than many others. I'm not going to often make huge posts with tons of quotes & links, town or scum.

​I find it interesting that you use the phrase 'scum hunting' to describe what I was asking you to do but, according to you, was not doing. Seems like a conscious decision because in post #440 you recognize that I was asking you & iSoc to go on the offensive / scum hunt. If you had said I haven't been going on the offensive then your statement would have been clearly full of shit. Good choice using the phrase 'scum hunting' instead. 

 

[legoboyvdlp]

This is hard. 

 

I personally feel TW is the scummier of the Canik / TW thing, but that's just gut feeling. This game is a lot harder to read than other simpler games, lol

 

maybe the answer is in the flavor text.

 

So... if Robert was roleblocked, and we had a night kill, he did not do the night kill. 

Thus, there is a lower chance he is scum, right?

SBG isn't normally this quiet though.

[brewersalliance]

This is hard. 

 

I personally feel TW is the scummier of the Canik / TW thing, but that's just gut feeling. This game is a lot harder to read than other simpler games, lol

 

maybe the answer is in the flavor text.

 

So... if Robert was roleblocked, and we had a night kill, he did not do the night kill. 

Thus, there is a lower chance he is scum, right?

SBG isn't normally this quiet though.

No, because he could have been roll blocked doing a different action for the scum since we don't know how many power roles they have 

[Canik]

 

This is hard. 

 

I personally feel TW is the scummier of the Canik / TW thing, but that's just gut feeling. This game is a lot harder to read than other simpler games, lol

 

maybe the answer is in the flavor text.

 

So... if Robert was roleblocked, and we had a night kill, he did not do the night kill. 

Thus, there is a lower chance he is scum, right?

SBG isn't normally this quiet though.

No, because he could have been roll blocked doing a different action for the scum since we don't know how many power roles they have 

 

​I think it does mean there is a lower chance but only slightly. He still could very well be scum but another scum performed the kill.

[iSocialism]

Still enough of a lower chance that he shouldn't be today's lynch target. Probing is still alright, but I don't see anyone voting for him

[Robert2424]

The fact Rafay looked at the tread but didn't respond means hes lurking, witch is a  scum tell. 

 

Idk how I now got put in a category with Rafay and SBG though. 

[FrigidInferno]

/ooc Just landed! using the last of my internet access to make this to tell you all to vote off the right scum! /ooc

i took my vote off of canik because i didnt want my vote to be the possible tipping scales of a possible townie, because who knows what could happen the next 5 days. i also want to mention that the one i'll be investigating at night is canik sooooo yeah. please dont lynch

[iSocialism]

/ooc Just landed! using the last of my internet access to make this to tell you all to vote off the right scum! /ooc
i took my vote off of canik because i didnt want my vote to be the possible tipping scales of a possible townie, because who knows what could happen the next 5 days. i also want to mention that the one i'll be investigating at night is canik sooooo yeah. please dont lynch

this just doesn't sit right with me. You're okay putting me on the lynch vote. Not worried about investigating me. All of the sudden vote for canik then unvote. Saying your motive is to investigate him. Wouldn't my hammer vote, because it caught your eye so dearly be cause for an investigation night one? I understand the timing with your trip, but... THEN the half role claim, unless I skipped over something earlier in the day. Where you fully RCed. The only investigation roles are the watcher who is dead. Tracker, which is debatable as an investigation role. In the terms of looking to clear someone/ find out. Also the cop role which people are believing to be Lach, if I'm not mistaken. Plus the possible role cop/backup.
Does this makes sense, did I miss anything?

[legoboyvdlp]

/ooc Just landed! using the last of my internet access to make this to tell you all to vote off the right scum! /ooc
i took my vote off of canik because i didnt want my vote to be the possible tipping scales of a possible townie, because who knows what could happen the next 5 days. i also want to mention that the one i'll be investigating at night is canik sooooo yeah. please dont lynch

Um... yeah ok. So even if Canik is proven scum we don't lynch him.

FOS Frigid
FOS Canik

I believe Frigid is cop as he joked about all of us putting draft number of 1 on Discord suggesting he did that, so he could very well be cop. But this last action is extremely suspicious. Any takers on bets for Lach / Canik / Frigid?

[vgmmaster]

/ooc Just landed! using the last of my internet access to make this to tell you all to vote off the right scum! /ooc

i took my vote off of canik because i didnt want my vote to be the possible tipping scales of a possible townie, because who knows what could happen the next 5 days. i also want to mention that the one i'll be investigating at night is canik sooooo yeah. please dont lynch

 

What exactly is wrong with us lynching Canik and you picking someone else to investigate during the night? I agree something seems off here. I'm willing to believe that you're either the cop or role cop, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're town either after making a post like that.

[legoboyvdlp]

Personally? I'd investigate either Canik or TW, whichever is not lynched, if one of those two is to be lynched today. But don't make a fuss about it, just do it and post your results.

Your last post is extremely scummy IMO but I'm not willing to risk losing a town cop so i'll let you defend yourself.

[Lachiton]

Its getting more and more difficult to read Frigid. If you've already RCed cop and know you might be killed at night, then why unvote Canik for later investigation when you wont be able to share your results? So yes, why shouldn't we lynch Canik?

 

Your posts are so erratic that first you seem to be town and the next post you post something scummy. Now I am starting to believe you latched on to my innocence to associate yourself with town. 

 

Also about this

 

I believe Frigid is cop as he joked about all of us putting draft number of 1 on Discord suggesting he did that

Please dont joke or talk about the game outside of this thread. This is against the rules.

[Rafay]

I have read the discussions and it seems that Warrior and Cnik are the ones that are being focused on as the msin scum. Now I can't figure out who to support and who not to. I don't want to rush into a lynch vote yet.

[Canik]

Also the cop role which people are believing to be Lach, if I'm not mistaken.

No it's Frigid who is supposedly a cop. He posted that he wanted to investigate Lach in the game conversation thing (supposedly by accident) and he's indicated that Lach supposedly is innocent.

​I agree with everyone else tho that saying who you're going to investigate and all that.. not a good idea. And he probably won't be alive tomorrow to give result anyway.

​But I do agree with Frigid about not lynching me. xD 

[Canik]

My thoughts on everyone so far;

​iSocialism: His ignorance on the Frigid investigation slip makes him seem a bit more townie to me. He could've feigned ignorance to appear that way but.. scum doesn't often think up such creative little details. If he's just being a lazy player, which seems quite possible, it would help to explain his lack of offense/scum hunting. It is somewhat uncommon for scum to be so bold as to hammer a town too. That being said he is experienced and these things could be great scum plays because we would not expect it from scum. So he could still be scum but overall probability is he's not. Just a lazy town whose style clashes with mine. (to be fair I'm somewhat lazy too but I mean, damn iSoc. Real lazy bruh)

​The Warrior: I am glad he went on offense and would give him a lot of townie points but as I said earlier it seemed too over-zealous to me. Before he's been like "Yeah that seems suspicious but doesn't necessarily mean they're scum" but tried super hard to paint me as scum using little manipulative suggestions and implications. Which to me is VERY suspicious since I know I'm not scum. Other people don't know that so you're less sure what to think. If I do die tho you'll see I am town and you should be extremely cautious & wary of TW. If he is scum, he could be a hella dangerous one with his experience and talent.

​Brewers: With how much he posts if he were scum I feel like we would've noticed more odd things by now. Lean town towards him but still not sure.

​Rafay: Being quiet for Rafay is usual. For a couple games we were lynching him for lack of posts. He started to speak up a bit more but he's been extremely quiet again. Not much to go on because of that. I get a tad bit of a scum vibe from him tho. 45/55 on him being town.

​Frigid: People are his case now thinking he's trying to save me and we might be scum partners. I know this isn't true so I'm sure it's just another noob mistake by Frigid. Leaning towards him being town. If he is scum Lachiton (and me, from yalls perspective) will still need to be looked at closely despite Lach trying to create some distance now. 

​SBG: Uncharacteristly quiet. Made some claim that he's been busy. Very little to go on. 50/50 on him.

​Lachiton: Done nothing real scummy that I recall. How quick he tries to back away from Frigid is a bit odd. Not sure what to think about him. 50/50

​KevinH: I am worried a bit KevinH is trying to latch onto me and is really scum. But we all know how he feels about D1 lynching and so it kinda makes sense for him to support my decision to no lynch D1 and join me against iSoc. From what I know of his playstyle he basically tries to develope logical/math strategies and sticks to them. Doesn't play off speculation much so again, kinda makes since he'd follow one of the few facts we know and go after GoldIron lynchers. 49/51 on him. Because he scares me. 

​vgmmaster: Made one or two slightly suspicious comments. Like in D1 when he was so quick to know Mafia had day talk. Mafia would be more aware of that but an active & dedicated town could too. Rather quiet lately but claims there was a death of someone close to him and he's been busy. I doubt he'd lie about something like that so I'll give the benefit of the doubt. (and sorry for your loss, VGM) 

​Lego: I actually have some info on him that paints him in a positive light (tho does not absolutely prove he's town).. I've been withholding it because it will help scum some as well.. but maybe it'd be worth it to get town a little more on track. What does everyone think? Should I go ahead and share it? Anyway 70/30 on Lego being town.

​Robert: Appears to have been roleblocked. Can't remember much of his positions, no big clues either way that I've really noticed. 55/45 on him being town. 

 

[Rafay]

Robert: Appears to have been roleblocked. Can't remember much of his positions, no big clues either way that I've really noticed. 55/45 on him being town. 

 

What are you implying here? Do you know that he has a role?