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[brewersalliance]

after careful deliberation with myself and taking everything into consideration

 

UNVOTE

i have a sour feeling that one of our super quiet people (VGM, rafay or SBG) is scum.

[The Warrior]

after careful deliberation with myself and taking everything into consideration

 

UNVOTE

i have a sour feeling that one of our super quiet people (VGM, rafay or SBG) is scum.

I agree with you. Who do you think would be likely?

 

@SBG - Have you had a chance to read through things and catch up yet? Any thoughts you can add before tomorrow's deadline?

 

@VGM and @Rafay - How about you? Anything you'd like to add?

[brewersalliance]

MK posted looking for a replacement.  My guess is that it is for SBG, so his inactivity is probably cause of how busy he is with work in RL

[Canik]

I just want to remind you all that NO ROLE'S ALIGNMENT IS A GUARANTEE in this game. Except for mine. My role can only be town by definition.

​Umm, pretty sure there can be Vanilla Mafia as well. xD

​Your role claim proves nothing.. acting like it does not help my suspicion of you. Seems a lot like a lie. 

[Canik]

I'm 99% sure TW is scum since he has made several little lies and manipulations like that.

He tried to make my guilt look like a foregone conclusion with how he presented and worded the post about my backpedalling. Even though backpedalling doesn't necessarily = scum. Many of you have backpedalled to some extent, are you all scum?

He said I've been pushing him & iSoc to go on offense/scum hunt (post #440) then he accuses me a few posts later of not "scum hunting" at all, specifically using the word scum hunting because as I said before if he claimed I hadn't been on the offense his statement would be clearly bullshit. I'm quite sure he made a conscious decision to use the phrase 'scum hunt' because of that which is the sign of someone trying to get what he wants not the truth. Because scum hunting is more open to interpretation whereas offense is not. But really, they're pretty damn closely related and offense is a big part of how I scum hunt.

​Then finally he claims because he didn't get a power role he MUST be town. As if Mafia MUST have powers or something? No, you can be Vanilla Mafia. It exists. And MK said he would assign role alignments first (making you Town or Mafia) and then the bidding starts to determine your role. So your alignment was determined before that and if you were assigned Mafia you'd be a Vanilla Mafia.

​The last one is most damning of all because it's so clearly a lie/attempt to manipulate. 

[iSocialism]

Well, just a goon, but why wouldn't he just claim his role if he was scum. These role don't align your affiliation. I would say he is definitely one of the too, and with my self not being to certain on which one it is. I do see myself siding with a vote on him. With nothing to go on he could have voted for me. But he did stick up for my case. With no PR he wouldn't know for sure who I was or canik for that matter. It would have been a gut feeling, or a belief in canik backpedaling to be scum tell. TW lynch would clear some stuff up, but the same with myself and canik. Those three will be the one that a lynch will move on. I won't vote for myself, and canik claims a PR. So for that

VOTE TW,

[legoboyvdlp]

I'm 99% sure TW is scum since he has made several little lies and manipulations like that.

He tried to make my guilt look like a foregone conclusion with how he presented and worded the post about my backpedalling. Even though backpedalling doesn't necessarily = scum. Many of you have backpedalled to some extent, are you all scum?

He said I've been pushing him & iSoc to go on offense/scum hunt (post #440) then he accuses me a few posts later of not "scum hunting" at all, specifically using the word scum hunting because as I said before if he claimed I hadn't been on the offense his statement would be clearly bullshit. I'm quite sure he made a conscious decision to use the phrase 'scum hunt' because of that which is the sign of someone trying to get what he wants not the truth. Because scum hunting is more open to interpretation whereas offense is not. But really, they're pretty damn closely related and offense is a big part of how I scum hunt.

​Then finally he claims because he didn't get a power role he MUST be town. As if Mafia MUST have powers or something? No, you can be Vanilla Mafia. It exists. And MK said he would assign role alignments first (making you Town or Mafia) and then the bidding starts to determine your role. So your alignment was determined before that and if you were assigned Mafia you'd be a Vanilla Mafia.

​The last one is most damning of all because it's so clearly a lie/attempt to manipulate.

By Vanilla Mafia do you mean an ordinary Goon?

Anyway, this is exactly why I'm voting on him. If he flips green you are next though
I'm 80% convinced he is a scum, which is enough for my vote
Ok, well, I see we got a lynch, so we are now in twilight. GG everyone, looking forward to day 3 and TWs flip.

As iSoc said this will help us lynch into the next few days, Canik would be high on my list if he flips green, as my town read was partially due to his scumread on TW.

[The Warrior]

I'm 99% sure TW is scum since he has made several little lies and manipulations like that.
He tried to make my guilt look like a foregone conclusion with how he presented and worded the post about my backpedalling. Even though backpedalling doesn't necessarily = scum. Many of you have backpedalled to some extent, are you all scum?
He said I've been pushing him & iSoc to go on offense/scum hunt (post #440) then he accuses me a few posts later of not "scum hunting" at all, specifically using the word scum hunting because as I said before if he claimed I hadn't been on the offense his statement would be clearly bullshit. I'm quite sure he made a conscious decision to use the phrase 'scum hunt' because of that which is the sign of someone trying to get what he wants not the truth. Because scum hunting is more open to interpretation whereas offense is not. But really, they're pretty damn closely related and offense is a big part of how I scum hunt.
​Then finally he claims because he didn't get a power role he MUST be town. As if Mafia MUST have powers or something? No, you can be Vanilla Mafia. It exists. And MK said he would assign role alignments first (making you Town or Mafia) and then the bidding starts to determine your role. So your alignment was determined before that and if you were assigned Mafia you'd be a Vanilla Mafia.
​The last one is most damning of all because it's so clearly a lie/attempt to manipulate. 

As usual a big swing and a miss for Canik. I did not claim to be vanilla. I claimed to be a vanilla townie. So by definition yes, my role can only be that of a town. You don't have to believe my claim now but you will be forced to choke on it tomorrow and I will enjoy saying I told you so.

And I have not lied anywhere in anything I have said. I will be proven right and the town will be another two players down come day 3. And I did not attempt to do anything where you are concerned. You brought the heat on yourself with your flip flopping and passive aggression. I didn't fabricate any part of the allegations I raised against you. You gifted them to the town. It's unfortunate that it's going to be a day later than it should be that they take my words to heart.

Day 2 has turned into a fantastic waste of a lynch opportunity and even now you refuse to press anyone else. If you are settled on lynching me that's fine but ffs you'd think you'd at least be questioning everyone and forcing them to put thoughts on paper to be analyzed at a later date.

Of course with you most likely being scum I know that won't be your style. You clearly will want as few public thoughts from your scum friends as possible.

As iSoc said this will help us lynch into the next few days, Canik would be high on my list if he flips green, as my town read was partially due to his scumread on TW.

When I flip town tomorrow, I sincerely hope you don't forget this.

[KevinH]

Not voting at all on Day 2 is scummy in my opinion.

[Canik]

I did not claim to be vanilla. I claimed to be a vanilla townie. So by definition yes, my role can only be that of a town.

​Oh well excuse me in that case allow me to claim I'm a power role 'townie'. Now I'm GUARENTEED to be town. *eyeroll*

​The claim that a Vanilla Town = Town is of course true but the way you presented it was not honest. Your claim is no better than anyone elses. 

[vgmmaster]

Between the two choices we have available, we have the vanilla Warrior, and the power role (most likely) Canik. Taking them at face value, Warrior has claimed multiple times that he didn't know how the roles were distributed, which makes the vanilla claim believable. Canik on the other hand, has been cryptic and I think if we lynch him, we'll have to look a lot closer at some others, ESPECIALLY if he flips as scum.

 

Vote: Canik

 

Possible scenarios that could play out if Canik flips as scum:

 

/ooc Just landed! using the last of my internet access to make this to tell you all to vote off the right scum! /ooc

i took my vote off of canik because i didnt want my vote to be the possible tipping scales of a possible townie, because who knows what could happen the next 5 days. i also want to mention that the one i'll be investigating at night is canik sooooo yeah. please dont lynch

 

We can already determine (most likely) that Frigid is either a cop or role cop thanks to the pm fiasco. The fact Frigid voted and unvoted Canik quickly and wants us to not lynch him so he can investigate Canik himself could be an attempt to take heat of a scum buddy. Being all "I'll investigate him, don't worry guys" so we'll all look the other way.

 

Canik hold of on the info unless you believe I am in danger of being mislymched.


I like what you are doing: you are looking not for an easy lynch but a high info lynch which is how we ultimately won on another site.
Of course seeing you are a PR apparently, you may also be lynched and we do not likely have a doctor.

 

Lego referring to Canik's post #459 where Canik claims to have info on Lego. It could just be the way Canik has read Lego's posts, but that post in particular is what leads me to believe Canik to have a power role. I was debating on divulging this info, but I'm thinking Canik is either a neighbor or more likely, a jailkeeper. I'm not sure if the neighbor role can talk to his other neighbors as there is no mention of that in the rules like there is mafia communication which leads me to skeptical for that role, but jailkeeper could give Canik faith of Lego being town. Problem with relying on the jailkeeper role in that regard, Lego could be scum who didn't send in the night kill (provided the scum has to choose a specific person to send the kill).

 

Lego does say he doesn't want Canik to divulge that information. Maybe in fear of it getting out if Canik or Lego turn up as scum?

 

Right then. 

Canik: appears very towny. I don't see any scum motivation to his posts.

 

Could be Lego buddying up with Canik?

 

Also keep in mind Lego is attempting to start a bandwagon on The Warrior who currently sits at one vote away from a lynch (and not being lynched already as Lego mistakenly thought).

 

As of right now, I think either Warrior or Canik could be scum (although leaning more town for Warrior right now). That said, even though he is likely a PR, Canik's death could give us a whole lot of possible juicy intel.

[brewersalliance]

Vote: Rafay.

Just going on a gut feeling based on how quiet he has been. We have all been bickering over two people and I have a feeling someone who was scum has internationally stayed out of it. And my gut tells me it's Rafay

[Canik]

Only a few hours left and I don't think anyone has 4 votes yet. 

​Unofficial Vote Count:

​TW: Canik, Lego, iSoc

​Canik: TW, VGM

Rafay: Brewers

 

[brewersalliance]

Well let's see where this goes. Curious who's gonna get hammered.

Plot twist. TW and cannik are both scum adn had the feud to clear whoever doesn't get lynched lol

[Canik]

Correction:

​Lachiton is also voting for Rafay so that's two on Rafay.

​Also KevinH is voting for iSoc.

​Rafay isn't a bad choice altho we will get very little additional information from it. 

[vgmmaster]

We have a little under 3 hours until deadline. While I am thinking Canik is the scummier one between him and Warrior, I think general consensus (not that everyone agrees mind you) is that one of these two is scum. I'm not sure if we can get two votes for Canik in such a short time frame, but one for the warrior would be easy enough, especially if one switches their vote.

 

Regardless, if that is indeed the general consensus, I don't think we can afford a no lynch here. Especially if we're right.

[legoboyvdlp]

Anyone who hasn't place your votes ASAP!

[SeaBeeGipson]

If the vote is between TW or Canik, I see TW roleclaimed as a VT.

I didn't catch any RC from Canik. Might have missed it, very possible.
I'm inclined to believe TW is a VT, because it seems likely he missed the picking vote.

If stuck between TW and Canik, who both possibilty could be town, I feel we'd get more information from Canik and possibly avoid a townie lynch.

VOTE: CANIK

[vgmmaster]

If the vote is between TW or Canik, I see TW roleclaimed as a VT.

I didn't catch any RC from Canik. Might have missed it, very possible.
I'm inclined to believe TW is a VT, because it seems likely he missed the picking vote.

If stuck between TW and Canik, who both possibilty could be town, I feel we'd get more information from Canik and possibly avoid a townie lynch.

VOTE: CANIK

 

Canik hasn't roleclaimed. However, he did post this back on post #459:

 

Lego: I actually have some info on him that paints him in a positive light (tho does not absolutely prove he's town).. I've been withholding it because it will help scum some as well.. but maybe it'd be worth it to get town a little more on track. What does everyone think? Should I go ahead and share it? Anyway 70/30 on Lego being town.

 

So while there hasn't been a claim officially, it can potentially be deduced if he has a role and what that role is. Of course, considering any role can be town or scum in this game, that does only help so much.

[Canik]

I'm inclined to believe TW is a VT, because it seems likely he missed the picking vote.

​Missing the 'picking vote' would not effect your alignment. You see everyone how TW's statement has mislead SBG into believing this? Either that, or SBG is a scum buddy of TWs.

​I know you're, supposedly, trying to catch up but it's a bit odd how you missed so much of what I said, SBG. I also have claimed to be a power role townie and would reveal my exact role but everyone either said not to or said nothing.