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[Canik]

Glad we have about a week still to discuss this because I am very interested in hearing more.

​iSoc some of his arguments have been somewhat frantic/flimsy but.. 

​I know for an absolute fact KevinH visited Frigid, I don't know that about iSoc. Also Rafay could just as easily be KevinH's partner and in fact, I find that a bit more likely after Rafay opening the day unified with KevinH in his attack on iSoc.

[brewersalliance]

 

I figured if I RC, it wouldn't show my affiliation, so what's the point. I thought it might add reason for my lynch. As in, he's scum and a one shot vig, get him... type of moments. Then I realized, if I was scum I wouldn't have gone after someone without some other stipulations. I was more focused on making sure everyone knew I didn't use my role, so when I flipped town. There was no questions about it.

Still I think we (you guys) need to hear Kevin reasoning on why he didn't proclaim his findings right off the bat. My guess is, he will wanna mention something about not having it backfire. That he wanted to show I was a person of interest before he came forward. Even though I was that person on his list after day one, and he should had the powers that night, wonder why he didn't use it then.

 

Night 2 was last night, his first opportunity to use it AFAIK

even if u were the vig, you could have used it to visit frigid and got the kill, since rafay was rb'd and thus the other kill could have been stopped.  take out the tracker and the cop would have been a smart play since they are both power roles, and there was no doctor since lego is the rb

 

in my eyes, since u claimed the vig, it makes the likely hood of you being scum even stronger.  the last thing the scum would want is both the tracker and cop alive, so why not kill both? and it just so happens that the rb hit the scum who would have done the second kill.  So if ISoc pops up as a scum vigi, I think it would be almost a certainty that rafay is the other scum. 

 

so you are saying that Rafay would be trying to kill Canik, but since I RBd him, then he couldn't?

 

iSoc, who would you kill tonight?

@brewer. How are you certain Rafa is tied to isoc?

 

Wondering that myself, but I think it is just a guess based on the fact that I RBd Rafay

 

ISoc just said he was gonna kill me tonight if he lives lol 

[brewersalliance]

But, I understand why you need to ensure my lynch brewer. Because your my target tonight

 

wait let me get this straight.  If you live, and you are town, you are going to kill me (who is also town)  even tho KevinH would have straight up lied about you visiting frigid, thus ensuring the fact that he is scum.  So instead of killing a proven scum, you would target me?  that makes zero sense and just feels like you are trying to scare me into not voting for you so you can live 

[iSocialism]

If I live, brewer. Would have thought you would've said something more about if i had and shots left. Saying that you quoted yourself saying that I probably used the action already. But you know whatever right. It gets hard trying to defend kevin. I mean would could just add the pressure have Kevin answer a few more questions. Though, that would put him in the spotlight.

 

But, I understand why you need to ensure my lynch brewer. Because your my target tonight

 

wait let me get this straight.  If you live, and you are town, you are going to kill me (who is also town)  even tho KevinH would have straight up lied about you visiting frigid, thus ensuring the fact that he is scum.  So instead of killing a proven scum, you would target me?  that makes zero sense and just feels like you are trying to scare me into not voting for you so you can live 

 

You already know the answer. Me living equals kevin's lynched you ding dong

what size ladder do you want. If i were you I would go for an extension. It allows for further reach

[Robert2424]

So did Lego block me n1?

[brewersalliance]

If I live, brewer. Would have thought you would've said something more about if i had and shots left. Saying that you quoted yourself saying that I probably used the action already. But you know whatever right. It gets hard trying to defend kevin. I mean would could just add the pressure have Kevin answer a few more questions. Though, that would put him in the spotlight.

 

a) I wrote that from the perspective if you were actually town like you claim you are.  If you are town, you have your shot left obviously.

 

  I dont think ive defended Kevin once actually.  All I know is either you or Kevin is scum.  If its Kevin then well you are pobably town, and if its you well Kevin is probably town (and rafay scum if you are the vigi)

 

c)  true if you live kevin is probably dead. i did not think you were meaning that.  either way if u live, be my guest and shoot me, i am not gonna get into an argument over that.  all im gonna say is if you shoot me, fine, but you are killing town

 

it truly makes no difference to me if its Isoc or Kevin today as long as one of them get lynched.  if we lynch the wrong one, then we at least know the other is scum.  I feel it should be Isoc at the moment, since he seems a lot more likely to be scum, but it still wouldnt shock me if kevin was scum.  either way one of them has to die

[SeaBeeGipson]

There is one person who seems to be in every equation here.

Rafay and he seems to have slipped into the shadows again.

Easy.

Rafay targets Isocialism. Rafay comes up Scum, we can assume Isocialism is town.
Kevin teams with Rafay. Rafay comes up scom, we can assume Kevin is scum.
Canik has been mentioning Rafay. Why wouldn't a scum allow his partner to hide in the shadows? Rafay comes up scum, Canik can be assumed town.

As I look at it, We can figure the alignment of any four involved by lynching any of them at this point. Enough has happened, enough has been spoken about for at least myself to get an idea.

Vote: Rafay

I'm still uneasy about Kevin and Isocialism, but assuming he is the town Vig; we can end tonight with two scums dead potentially. On the flip side, if he is scum vig, we can potentially end tonight with 3 dead townies at the worst case. (Rafay being town, mafia get a kill, Vig gets a kill).

I feel town is stuck between several choices and limiting themselves to a tunnel vision on one person, when the beginning of today involved FOUR. While the day's progression has pushed Canik to be the most likely to be town here (no one has refuted his claim, and he seems to be actively scum hunting); that still leaves us THREE.

Based solely on facts, we know Canik found Kevin doing an action. We know Rafay jumped board to align himself with Kevin nearly instantly. 

My Order on who I think is scum versus town:

Rafay - Most likely to be scum
Kevin - Isocialism - Tied; not strong enough either way to commit to a vote
Canik - Possibility is still there
 

[legoboyvdlp]

So did Lego block me n1?

 

N1 -> Robert2424 (to check if you were scum: no night kill = confirmed scum or else scum messing with me)

N2 -> Rafay (same)

[brewersalliance]

There is one person who seems to be in every equation here.

Rafay and he seems to have slipped into the shadows again.

Easy.

Rafay targets Isocialism. Rafay comes up Scum, we can assume Isocialism is town.
Kevin teams with Rafay. Rafay comes up scom, we can assume Kevin is scum.
Canik has been mentioning Rafay. Why wouldn't a scum allow his partner to hide in the shadows? Rafay comes up scum, Canik can be assumed town.

As I look at it, We can figure the alignment of any four involved by lynching any of them at this point. Enough has happened, enough has been spoken about for at least myself to get an idea.

Vote: Rafay

I'm still uneasy about Kevin and Isocialism, but assuming he is the town Vig; we can end tonight with two scums dead potentially. On the flip side, if he is scum vig, we can potentially end tonight with 3 dead townies at the worst case. (Rafay being town, mafia get a kill, Vig gets a kill).

I feel town is stuck between several choices and limiting themselves to a tunnel vision on one person, when the beginning of today involved FOUR. While the day's progression has pushed Canik to be the most likely to be town here (no one has refuted his claim, and he seems to be actively scum hunting); that still leaves us THREE.

Based solely on facts, we know Canik found Kevin doing an action. We know Rafay jumped board to align himself with Kevin nearly instantly. 

My Order on who I think is scum versus town:

Rafay - Most likely to be scum
Kevin - Isocialism - Tied; not strong enough either way to commit to a vote
Canik - Possibility is still there
 

Glad to know I am not alone thinking Rafay is scum.  right now I think its ISoc/Kevin, Rafay, and one more person

[iSocialism]

There is one person who seems to be in every equation here.

Rafay and he seems to have slipped into the shadows again.

Easy.

Rafay targets Isocialism. Rafay comes up Scum, we can assume Isocialism is town.
Kevin teams with Rafay. Rafay comes up scom, we can assume Kevin is scum.
Canik has been mentioning Rafay. Why wouldn't a scum allow his partner to hide in the shadows? Rafay comes up scum, Canik can be assumed town.

As I look at it, We can figure the alignment of any four involved by lynching any of them at this point. Enough has happened, enough has been spoken about for at least myself to get an idea.

Vote: Rafay

I'm still uneasy about Kevin and Isocialism, but assuming he is the town Vig; we can end tonight with two scums dead potentially. On the flip side, if he is scum vig, we can potentially end tonight with 3 dead townies at the worst case. (Rafay being town, mafia get a kill, Vig gets a kill).

I feel town is stuck between several choices and limiting themselves to a tunnel vision on one person, when the beginning of today involved FOUR. While the day's progression has pushed Canik to be the most likely to be town here (no one has refuted his claim, and he seems to be actively scum hunting); that still leaves us THREE.

Based solely on facts, we know Canik found Kevin doing an action. We know Rafay jumped board to align himself with Kevin nearly instantly. 

My Order on who I think is scum versus town:

Rafay - Most likely to be scum
Kevin - Isocialism - Tied; not strong enough either way to commit to a vote
Canik - Possibility is still there
 

No, just no. why are you deflecting? Kevin said i visited fridg. I said I did not plus no action taken. One of us is lying, Rafay proves nothing. Brewer you might survive the night, even if I survive.

[brewersalliance]

 

So did Lego block me n1?

 

N1 -> Robert2424 (to check if you were scum: no night kill = confirmed scum or else scum messing with me)

N2 -> Rafay (same)

 

and if ISoc is the lynch and he flopps scum vigi, rafay is probably scum as well having the second kill blocked (which would have been the two confirmed town roles-hence why this is the most likely scenario in my mind) 

[iSocialism]

Rafay can be another day, but not today

[legoboyvdlp]

SBG, I like that...

 

wtf 5 new replies?

[brewersalliance]

Rafay can be another day, but not today

this i do agree with.  today has to be either kevin or Isoc.

 

we can lynch rafay tomorrow if we think hes scum.  or if kevin dies and it turns out isoc is actually town and has his shot left, rafay can die that way.  i just feel we get an absolute confirmation with a kevin/isoc lynch, and with a rafay lynch we only get a "well xzy is now probably scum, and abc is probably town"

[legoboyvdlp]

 

 

So did Lego block me n1?

 

N1 -> Robert2424 (to check if you were scum: no night kill = confirmed scum or else scum messing with me)

N2 -> Rafay (same)

 

and if ISoc is the lynch and he flopps scum vigi, rafay is probably scum as well having the second kill blocked (which would have been the two confirmed town roles-hence why this is the most likely scenario in my mind) 

 

 

So you think I should block Rafay again unless he is lynched?

good point, brewers. 

 

Even if we mislynch if I successfully roleblock then there are no NKs. And we can kill Rafay.

 

Only problem is are there 2 scum or 3?

[brewersalliance]

 

 

 

So did Lego block me n1?

 

N1 -> Robert2424 (to check if you were scum: no night kill = confirmed scum or else scum messing with me)

N2 -> Rafay (same)

 

and if ISoc is the lynch and he flopps scum vigi, rafay is probably scum as well having the second kill blocked (which would have been the two confirmed town roles-hence why this is the most likely scenario in my mind) 

 

 

So you think I should block Rafay again unless he is lynched?

 

well hypothetically we hit gold and lynch scum today and its a scum vigi Isoc, there is still a 3rd scum, so if u announce u are gonna block rafay, the other scum could do the killing

[legoboyvdlp]

Yeah, I'll probably roleblock someone else then... don't want to be predictable...

[SeaBeeGipson]

Assuming Isocialism is a town vig, what would stop him from killing Kevin over the night, while we lynch Rafay?

That is my assumption with this vote. Rafay is most likely to be scum to me, so it makes sense he gets lynched.
If Isoc is telling the truth, he kills Kevin.
If Kevin is telling the truth, Isoc doesn't.

How could that backfire?

Please explain, I genuinely do not follow here.

[brewersalliance]

Assuming Isocialism is a town vig, what would stop him from killing Kevin over the night, while we lynch Rafay?

That is my assumption with this vote. Rafay is most likely to be scum to me, so it makes sense he gets lynched.
If Isoc is telling the truth, he kills Kevin.
If Kevin is telling the truth, Isoc doesn't.

How could that backfire?

Please explain, I genuinely do not follow here.

it could backfire like this.  Rafay pops town.  Isoc is scum, kevin is town.  scum kill town that isnt kevin, and we lost two more town and are back in the same "is it isoc or is it kevin boat" that we are in now

[legoboyvdlp]

For instance if I am killed you lose the RB. I'm expecting to die tonight.