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[SeaBeeGipson]

 

Vote Count:

 

SeaBeeGipson (2): Canik, Robert2424

GoldIron (2): The Warrior, brewersalliance

FrigidInferno (1): vgmmaster

Lachiton (1): KitKat16

KitKat16 (1): lachiton

Canik (1): GoldIron

The Warrior (1): Rafay

legoboyvdlp (0): 

Robert2424 (0): 

Brewersalliance (0):

KevinH (0): 

Vgmmaster (0): 

Rafay (0): 

iSocialism (0): 

 

 

No Lynch (2): KevinH, FrigidInferno

 

Not Voting: iSocialism, legoboyvdlp

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch or 4 at deadline.

Deadline is Wednesday, 27th December at 11 AM, CN Time.

Post Count

 

legoboyvdlp        16

brewersalliance    11

Lord MK               11

KevinH                7

FrigidInferno         7

vgmmaster           7

Kitkat16                6

Canik                    6

Robert2424         5

Lachiton               4

SeaBeeGipson     4

iSocialism             3

The Warrior           3

Rafay                   3

GoldIron              2

 

The ones in yellow needs to pick up their posting up fast.

out of these, i am worried about Rafay as he has been very glitchy with his activity.

 

FTFY.

and sweet, im leading the score boards on something!

Anyway, I dont believe GoldIron is the way to go for today. Yes, he can be scum even though hes new, but his post came off as inexperience, not trying to hide. 
Are we just trying to find an easy lynch or a correct lynch? I feel people are going about it the wrong way.

Vote: No Lynch
I'd rather not partake of a random shot in the dark when I don't see anyone having enough evidence to give me a reason to vote. We still got a week to see what comes up

[Rafay]

Wait what now? Why are you singling me out? I'm not fluff posting. Everybody is cracking jokes atm. Besides the Warrior and iSoc have the same no. of posts as me and GridIron has even less.

[brewersalliance]

Vote: No Lynch

 

I tend to view a No Lynch vote as something that def favors scum, since it guarantees no scum will die and they will decrease the towns population, however, the the one game I played before SeaBee was actually town (shocker I know)  and he also voted No Lynch then too, so i am leaning towards he truly feels that no lynch benefits town and is probably not scum again.  he hasnt really dont anything suspect at the moment, so for now i feel SeaBee is most likely a townie.

 

I did vote for GoldIron before, but im the more I think of the reasons for why I did, GoldIron being a newbie makes more sense to me, so  with that being said 

 

Unvote:  GoldIron

[brewersalliance]

Btw VG, You can ask Snoke/Brewers over in the town of discord if i play risky, his answer should be a resounding no lmao

 

 

I played legit one game with you, so my answer is def not a No.  i truly have no idea what your play style is.

 

also Fos on Frigid for both a no lynch vote, saying leave kitkat alive, and for commenting that KevinH's post was a joke after i already did so and was met with a "townie points for you" reply from KevinH (i think frigid did that to hopefully gain these make believe townie points to cover up his scum role)

 

So we all know that KitKat could not have outed both Robert and TW as scum if KitKat is indeed scum.  my personal propsal is we lynch kitkat.  if kitkat ends up being scum, then we know 100% that both robert and tw are town so we can completely remove them from any lynch votes, thus increasing our chances of getting scum.  Sure kitkat could be town, but odds are we are gonna hit town anyway, so i feel that the potential to eliminate two suspects completely if kitkat is indeed scum is worth the risk here

 

vote: Kitkat

[legoboyvdlp]

I'll join you on that,

 

Vote: Kitkat

 

And IRONically, I was writing a post to that effect, so I'm glad someone agrees with me, anyway.

[brewersalliance]

annnnd ill save everyone the time "FoS on Brewers for starting a wagon on KitKat" lol

[vgmmaster]

 

Considering the scum can talk during the day, we can't rule out some sort of collaboration attempt.

​Who remembers that scum can talk during the day? Scum, that's who.

​But you did post a lot and could just be a town who really wants to win. So I won't bother you more about it.. for now.

​I hope GoldIron posts more soon. It doesn't have to be real in-depth analysis or anything but let us know you'll be decently active. Otherwise it is very tempting to lynch him and just see.
 

 

 

And

 

Mafia day talk has been more of a TW moderated game thing. Not fully ruling it out, but o don't see where MK has hint at day talk for scum.

 

It's always good to read up on the rules before every game. Just because you know how to play doesn't mean an individual mod doesn't have their own personal rules they like to include. On the flip side, with all the power roles floating around, it could be a way to help give the mafia a slight push to fight against the (in theory) powerful town. For rule reference:

The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia can talk to each other at Night as well as during Day.

 

Bullet point #7 under the rules on the first post.

 

 

Btw VG, You can ask Snoke/Brewers over in the town of discord if i play risky, his answer should be a resounding no lmao

 

 

I played legit one game with you, so my answer is def not a No.  i truly have no idea what your play style is.

 

also Fos on Frigid for both a no lynch vote, saying leave kitkat alive, and for commenting that KevinH's post was a joke after i already did so and was met with a "townie points for you" reply from KevinH (i think frigid did that to hopefully gain these make believe townie points to cover up his scum role)

 

So we all know that KitKat could not have outed both Robert and TW as scum if KitKat is indeed scum.  my personal propsal is we lynch kitkat.  if kitkat ends up being scum, then we know 100% that both robert and tw are town so we can completely remove them from any lynch votes, thus increasing our chances of getting scum.  Sure kitkat could be town, but odds are we are gonna hit town anyway, so i feel that the potential to eliminate two suspects completely if kitkat is indeed scum is worth the risk here

 

vote: Kitkat

 

 

Sound reasoning from Brewers here and a possible path I agree with. Kitkat for sure is on the short list of voting candidates. But I want to ask something about the underlined part. I understand that it's against the rules to out you your teammates, but here's my question. Where is the line? Is it a zero tolerance policy? Or are there grey lines depending on the way the post is constructed. What I mean is, it seems to be a common occurrence (to my understanding) that Kitkat is a bit of a joker. Maybe more than others. Could he word his post a certain way, write it off as a joke, and get off scot-free? As opposed to "oh I'm going to die, btw, my mafia partners are Y & Z" which would clearly be against the spirit of the game. Of course, it could be a scum tactic to get you to vote an obvious townie?

 

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I wouldn't say it clears The Warrior / Robert. Unless it is in fact a zero tolerance policy, then you would have a point.

[The Warrior]

Vote: No Lynch

 
I tend to view a No Lynch vote as something that def favors scum, since it guarantees no scum will die and they will decrease the towns population, however, the the one game I played before SeaBee was actually town (shocker I know)  and he also voted No Lynch then too, so i am leaning towards he truly feels that no lynch benefits town and is probably not scum again.  he hasnt really dont anything suspect at the moment, so for now i feel SeaBee is most likely a townie.
 
I did vote for GoldIron before, but im the more I think of the reasons for why I did, GoldIron being a newbie makes more sense to me, so  with that being said 
 
Unvote:  GoldIron

RE: Voting (or unvoting) for GoldIron

It is entirely possible that his suspicious post was made completely innocently and he could in fact simply be a noob townie, however, we have seen games on these forums very recently where noob players have made very similar mistakes and have been given the benefit of the doubt only to have it bite the town in the ass when they end up winning the game for the scum.

So my question is: why unvote GoldIron now when there isn't anything better to go on really at this point? What has GoldIron contributed that is beneficial to the town at this point?

@GoldIron - I'll ask you again since you haven't responded yet: Do you have any thoughts on the game or any of the individual players at this point? If you are a townie we would like to hear your thoughts.

[The Warrior]

Considering the scum can talk during the day, we can't rule out some sort of collaboration attempt.

​Who remembers that scum can talk during the day? Scum, that's who.

​But you did post a lot and could just be a town who really wants to win. So I won't bother you more about it.. for now.

​I hope GoldIron posts more soon. It doesn't have to be real in-depth analysis or anything but let us know you'll be decently active. Otherwise it is very tempting to lynch him and just see.

 
And
 

Mafia day talk has been more of a TW moderated game thing. Not fully ruling it out, but o don't see where MK has hint at day talk for scum.

 
It's always good to read up on the rules before every game. Just because you know how to play doesn't mean an individual mod doesn't have their own personal rules they like to include. On the flip side, with all the power roles floating around, it could be a way to help give the mafia a slight push to fight against the (in theory) powerful town. For rule reference:
 
 

The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia can talk to each other at Night as well as during Day.

 
Bullet point #7 under the rules on the first post.
 

Btw VG, You can ask Snoke/Brewers over in the town of discord if i play risky, his answer should be a resounding no lmao

 
 
I played legit one game with you, so my answer is def not a No.  i truly have no idea what your play style is.
 
also Fos on Frigid for both a no lynch vote, saying leave kitkat alive, and for commenting that KevinH's post was a joke after i already did so and was met with a "townie points for you" reply from KevinH (i think frigid did that to hopefully gain these make believe townie points to cover up his scum role)
 
So we all know that KitKat could not have outed both Robert and TW as scum if KitKat is indeed scum.  my personal propsal is we lynch kitkat.  if kitkat ends up being scum, then we know 100% that both robert and tw are town so we can completely remove them from any lynch votes, thus increasing our chances of getting scum.  Sure kitkat could be town, but odds are we are gonna hit town anyway, so i feel that the potential to eliminate two suspects completely if kitkat is indeed scum is worth the risk here
 
vote: Kitkat

 
Sound reasoning from Brewers here and a possible path I agree with. Kitkat for sure is on the short list of voting candidates. But I want to ask something about the underlined part. I understand that it's against the rules to out you your teammates, but here's my question. Where is the line? Is it a zero tolerance policy? Or are there grey lines depending on the way the post is constructed. What I mean is, it seems to be a common occurrence (to my understanding) that Kitkat is a bit of a joker. Maybe more than others. Could he word his post a certain way, write it off as a joke, and get off scot-free? As opposed to "oh I'm going to die, btw, my mafia partners are Y & Z" which would clearly be against the spirit of the game. Of course, it could be a scum tactic to get you to vote an obvious townie?
 
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I wouldn't say it clears The Warrior / Robert. Unless it is in fact a zero tolerance policy, then you would have a point.

I don't think that you're overthinking it.

Knowing what my own role is and knowing KitKat I took his post as a joke. However, I don't believe that it was stated anywhere previously that the mafia couldn't out other mafia members (even if it was done in a joking manner). Since it was not known before KitKat cracked his joke, he very well could have included a scum Robert in his post (although I would be shocked if KitKat was scum and outed another scum like that this early in a game). Now that MK has informed everyone that scum cannot out other scum, if KitKat did indeed out Robert, I would assume that MK would have dealt with this privately with KitKat. There isn't really much else he could do without basically giving away the game to the town.

[Kitkat16]

oh dear god we're still on the joke post

 

i can absolutely assure you that nothing useful will come of lynching me

 

but incidentally if I do get lynched and come out town, I do not want it overlooked that it was brewers who proposed lynching me. he should be your #1 suspect as soon as I flip town

 

enjoy guys

[Kitkat16]

btw there are now three votes on me of which at least one and probably two are almost certainly town, so well done on putting a townie within hammer range of scum guys (as you will find out soon enough)

 

[legoboyvdlp]

not sure what to think now

but I'll stick with who I voted on for now, 

not sure what to think now

but I'll stick with who I voted on for now, 

[Robert2424]

I'm not sure what to think of Kit Kat, but tbh, Lego is the main person who's been rubbing me wrong all game. Hince, I probally should place me vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote LEGO

[SeaBeeGipson]

I'm not sure what to think of Kit Kat, but tbh, Lego is the main person who's been rubbing me wrong all game. Hince, I probally should place me vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote LEGO

I think you're heading in the right direction

However,
 

 

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

I tend to view a No Lynch vote as something that def favors scum, since it guarantees no scum will die and they will decrease the towns population, however, the the one game I played before SeaBee was actually town (shocker I know)  and he also voted No Lynch then too, so i am leaning towards he truly feels that no lynch benefits town and is probably not scum again.  he hasnt really dont anything suspect at the moment, so for now i feel SeaBee is most likely a townie.

 

I did vote for GoldIron before, but im the more I think of the reasons for why I did, GoldIron being a newbie makes more sense to me, so  with that being said 

 

Unvote:  GoldIron

 

Earlier, Brewers stated he can't judge Frigid off of one game, however, he places that I'm town based off of one behavior mimicked in a prior game. I can assure you a repeat behavior of scum through every game is to try and buddy up with a town. The scum know who the town are, but not vice versa. So, its easy for Brewers to try mention I'm town to earn points, hoping I'll avoid FoSing him. How quick he removed his vote once the attention got brought to that wagon too. Then he redirects to KitKat, based on we have plenty to gain from a KitKat lynch.

Really, we gain nothing off of lynching someone because a lulz vote, however, your stances we could gain from.
How quick Lego jumped behind you on that wagon. Almost the same way Lego and you began to bring GoldIron up, together.
Lego also seemed to vote for Robert right after a FoS was placed on him. Granted, I'm having suspicions on both of you, Lego has yet to post anything in my opinion of value, besides buddying with Brewers it seems and trying to focus heavily on the KitKat statement.

Vote: Lego

I feel we may have a scum between these two, moreso than the odds of KitKat being a scum.

[brewersalliance]

How quick he removed his vote once the attention got brought to that wagon too. Then he redirects to KitKat, based on we have plenty to gain from a KitKat lynch.

 

 

how quick i removed my vote from who?  

and also, while Mk did state that the rules prohibit someone from outing their scum buddies, what would actually happen if they did?  for example would there have been any blow back if katkat actually did?  and would it just be private where we dont know about it? cause if thats the case, even if we did the kitkat thing ive mentioned, it would not preclude TW and robert from being scum.  with that being said, im still keeping my vote on kitkat, under the assumption that something would have happened if he did indeed break the rules like that.  if MK tells us it would be handled privately and there is no way we would ever find out that a rule was broken during the game, then that strategy is kind of pointless like TW and vgm indicated 

[SeaBeeGipson]

 

How quick he removed his vote once the attention got brought to that wagon too. Then he redirects to KitKat, based on we have plenty to gain from a KitKat lynch.

 

 

how quick i removed my vote from who?  

and also, while Mk did state that the rules prohibit someone from outing their scum buddies, what would actually happen if they did?  for example would there have been any blow back if katkat actually did?  and would it just be private where we dont know about it? cause if thats the case, even if we did the kitkat thing ive mentioned, it would not preclude TW and robert from being scum.  with that being said, im still keeping my vote on kitkat, under the assumption that something would have happened if he did indeed break the rules like that.  if MK tells us it would be handled privately and there is no way we would ever find out that a rule was broken during the game, then that strategy is kind of pointless like TW and vgm indicated 

 

Last time KitKat actually outed his buddies, the game got reset. KevinH can confirm that,
And once I challenged the reasoning behind the GoldIron's wagon, you removed your vote. Now whether that was because you wanted to avoid attention or you felt GoldIron may not be the best lynch is up in the air. At the moment, I think lynching lego would give us a better idea of your standings, as well as KitKat's, seeming that Lego keeps going for that lynch.
Beyond that, his FoS on GoldIron and dragging attention to him, lynching Lego also gains us information there. 

[brewersalliance]

 

 

How quick he removed his vote once the attention got brought to that wagon too. Then he redirects to KitKat, based on we have plenty to gain from a KitKat lynch.

 

 

how quick i removed my vote from who?  

and also, while Mk did state that the rules prohibit someone from outing their scum buddies, what would actually happen if they did?  for example would there have been any blow back if katkat actually did?  and would it just be private where we dont know about it? cause if thats the case, even if we did the kitkat thing ive mentioned, it would not preclude TW and robert from being scum.  with that being said, im still keeping my vote on kitkat, under the assumption that something would have happened if he did indeed break the rules like that.  if MK tells us it would be handled privately and there is no way we would ever find out that a rule was broken during the game, then that strategy is kind of pointless like TW and vgm indicated 

 

Last time KitKat actually outed his buddies, the game got reset. KevinH can confirm that,
And once I challenged the reasoning behind the GoldIron's wagon, you removed your vote. Now whether that was because you wanted to avoid attention or you felt GoldIron may not be the best lynch is up in the air. At the moment, I think lynching lego would give us a better idea of your standings, as well as KitKat's, seeming that Lego keeps going for that lynch.
Beyond that, his FoS on GoldIron and dragging attention to him, lynching Lego also gains us information there. 

 

the more I thought about GoldIron the more it just seemed like he made a newbie mistake and didn't know how the roles were assigned, and it would be crappy to vote of a new guy just cause he wasn't sure how roles were assigned.   And for his activity, i havent really seen him on at all so it makes sense he is busy or just not able to log in, or hell he might just not care.  so that is why i took my vote off him and i truly feel that if MK would do something like reset the game for a violation like that, and we would be made aware of it, if kitkat was scum, it would take both TW and robert out of the question.  therefore, assuming scum kill town n1, that would mean there would be a 25% chance d2 any lynch would be scum and with the power roles, i think it would give town a HUGE edge.  most likely a townie is gonna die with a lynch today, but i think this honestly gives us the best overall odds of winning the game

[Kitkat16]

 

 

 

How quick he removed his vote once the attention got brought to that wagon too. Then he redirects to KitKat, based on we have plenty to gain from a KitKat lynch.

 

 

how quick i removed my vote from who?  

and also, while Mk did state that the rules prohibit someone from outing their scum buddies, what would actually happen if they did?  for example would there have been any blow back if katkat actually did?  and would it just be private where we dont know about it? cause if thats the case, even if we did the kitkat thing ive mentioned, it would not preclude TW and robert from being scum.  with that being said, im still keeping my vote on kitkat, under the assumption that something would have happened if he did indeed break the rules like that.  if MK tells us it would be handled privately and there is no way we would ever find out that a rule was broken during the game, then that strategy is kind of pointless like TW and vgm indicated 

 

Last time KitKat actually outed his buddies, the game got reset. KevinH can confirm that,
And once I challenged the reasoning behind the GoldIron's wagon, you removed your vote. Now whether that was because you wanted to avoid attention or you felt GoldIron may not be the best lynch is up in the air. At the moment, I think lynching lego would give us a better idea of your standings, as well as KitKat's, seeming that Lego keeps going for that lynch.
Beyond that, his FoS on GoldIron and dragging attention to him, lynching Lego also gains us information there. 

 

the more I thought about GoldIron the more it just seemed like he made a newbie mistake and didn't know how the roles were assigned, and it would be crappy to vote of a new guy just cause he wasn't sure how roles were assigned.   And for his activity, i havent really seen him on at all so it makes sense he is busy or just not able to log in, or hell he might just not care.  so that is why i took my vote off him and i truly feel that if MK would do something like reset the game for a violation like that, and we would be made aware of it, if kitkat was scum, it would take both TW and robert out of the question.  therefore, assuming scum kill town n1, that would mean there would be a 25% chance d2 any lynch would be scum and with the power roles, i think it would give town a HUGE edge.  most likely a townie is gonna die with a lynch today, but i think this honestly gives us the best overall odds of winning the game

 

 

except it doesn't because i'm not scum and you'll be right back where you started in the morning

[Lachiton]

[OOC]Just padding up my post count for now as I don't want to be mod killed. Too much busy with work to actually dedicate more time here, sorry about that. Hopefully I can be more active in a few days as it seems we have move past the lulz towards more serious debates.[/OOC]

I will need bit time to go through the discussions as I am bit behind on things.

Quick thoughts - I voted Kitkat initially to fasten his appearance here and he retaliated by voting me. All fine there but his joke post somehow became a source of conflict among other players. I kept my vote on Kitkat as I felt the intention of his post was to instigate town and turn them against each other while they contemplate the merit behind his joke. New information and thoughts have been presented and it seems Kitkat is in the firing line for it. I had to look over all the new information carefully before I even think of changing my vote. And Kitkat you're far away from hammer so its too early for a martyr post
Maybe iterating the same thing already said by others-
GoldIron - weak defense that newbies can't be scum but maybe his defense is weak because he is trying to get the hang of mafia gameplay. Hate to target him yet for that as similar to him I am new too (just 1 game old).

Lego - vote hopper as I can see skimming fast through his posts. Has been trying hard to join a lynch wagon, recently buddying up with Brewers. They are the two most active posters so entirely possible that they are agreeing on lots of things and is not confirmed scum behavior. But definitely FoS worthy. Brewers at least posted a good theory behind starting a lynch on Kitkat so I am yet to get any scum vibe from him.

[Kitkat16]

[OOC]Just padding up my post count for now as I don't want to be mod killed. Too much busy with work to actually dedicate more time here, sorry about that. Hopefully I can be more active in a few days as it seems we have move past the lulz towards more serious debates.[/OOC]

I will need bit time to go through the discussions as I am bit behind on things.

Quick thoughts - I voted Kitkat initially to fasten his appearance here and he retaliated by voting me. All fine there but his joke post somehow became a source of conflict among other players. I kept my vote on Kitkat as I felt the intention of his post was to instigate town and turn them against each other while they contemplate the merit behind his joke. New information and thoughts have been presented and it seems Kitkat is in the firing line for it. I had to look over all the new information carefully before I even think of changing my vote. And Kitkat you're far away from hammer so its too early for a martyr post
Maybe iterating the same thing already said by others-
GoldIron - weak defense that newbies can't be scum but maybe his defense is weak because he is trying to get the hang of mafia gameplay. Hate to target him yet for that as similar to him I am new too (just 1 game old).

Lego - vote hopper as I can see skimming fast through his posts. Has been trying hard to join a lynch wagon, recently buddying up with Brewers. They are the two most active posters so entirely possible that they are agreeing on lots of things and is not confirmed scum behavior. But definitely FoS worthy. Brewers at least posted a good theory behind starting a lynch on Kitkat so I am yet to get any scum vibe from him.

 

actually I was on three votes and you need four to get lynched so I, as usual, am right