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[Canik]

Well, technically you nameclaimed not roleclaimed and there's not much reason to believe everything is as it seems. For a Mod to actually make Luke Skywalker town & a powerful town seems like it would be the exception not the norm. As for "having" to claim due to the votes on you.. no, really.. you probably could've gotten out of it without a claim. Claiming that easily was an error on your part IMO. 

 

[Chaplain of death]

ooc: 50 work week = bleeeeeeeeeeh, will try to catch up tomorrow /ooc

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Let's not forget scum in previous games have had "safe" names before. I'll take a name claim with a grain of salt here, as I always have.

 

Thats just trying too hard.

 

If there are safe names, it will probably some side character, not a major character.

 

Anyway, even if I dont get lynched today I have opened up myself to be NK'ed by one faction tonight because I had to role claim because of horiific reasoning and bandwagoning vote by sheep. 

 

 

 

Assuming you have a role, if you used it, who was it used on?

[Canik]

Just a reminder; the deadline is Monday. (for real this time! xD)

 

[Imran Ehsan]

Well, technically you nameclaimed not roleclaimed and there's not much reason to believe everything is as it seems. For a Mod to actually make Luke Skywalker town & a powerful town seems like it would be the exception not the norm. As for "having" to claim due to the votes on you.. no, really.. you probably could've gotten out of it without a claim. Claiming that easily was an error on your part IMO. 

 

 

5 votes required to get lynched on deadline. Already had 5 votes with clueless SBG parroting away how he is sure I am scum and the sheep voting in unison as "i agree!!", "great post!!" "solid case SBG!". Dont think I had much chance without role claiming.

 

 

 

Let's not forget scum in previous games have had "safe" names before. I'll take a name claim with a grain of salt here, as I always have.

 

Thats just trying too hard.

 

If there are safe names, it will probably some side character, not a major character.

 

Anyway, even if I dont get lynched today I have opened up myself to be NK'ed by one faction tonight because I had to role claim because of horiific reasoning and bandwagoning vote by sheep. 

 

 

 

Assuming you have a role, if you used it, who was it used on?

 

 

I will try to give out as much info as I can if it becomes assured I will get lynched today (hopefully will be able to be online before kevin closes the day).

[LordSunday]

As it stands Imran you only have 4 votes on you, so you're currently safe. The general activity that was here seems to have dissipated a tad, which I find odd considering it's the weekend. For those who have votes, speak your opinions. Doing nothing will only result in us losing. Personally I'm a little on the fence right now. We had some early RCs that didn't need to be made, which was followed by a name RC that's yet to be disputed.

Thankfully I have a 5-hour drive out to my campus tomorrow morning so I'll have plenty of time to think about miscellaneous things like this game and who the best choice for the day is

[Canik]

5 votes required to get lynched on deadline. Already had 5 votes with clueless SBG parroting away how he is sure I am scum and the sheep voting in unison as "i agree!!", "great post!!" "solid case SBG!". Dont think I had much chance without role claiming.

​I find your lack of faith disturbing.. *force chokes Imran*

 

[LordSunday]

 

5 votes required to get lynched on deadline. Already had 5 votes with clueless SBG parroting away how he is sure I am scum and the sheep voting in unison as "i agree!!", "great post!!" "solid case SBG!". Dont think I had much chance without role claiming.

​I find your lack of faith disturbing.. *force chokes Imran*

 

 

 

Noooooooo that's the wrong movie! How dare ye

[Rhizoctonia]

Just to let everyone know as well, I am flying out today for vacation.  I will not return until Friday evening.  With day ending tomorrow, and then the night, I assume the next day will start mid/late next week so I should only miss a day or 2 of the start of D3, otherwise I'd ask for a replacement.  I'll have my phone, so limited access, but don't expect much til Friday or Saturday of next week.  

 

I will keep an eye on what's going on at the end of this day and vote accordingly via my phone when I can.  I'm waiting to hear Imran's reply to my question before voting.  

Just so it's known, my vote is between Imran, or one of these 
 

Brewersalliance (3): Yehom, Lachiton, Kitkat16,

 

(Highlighted so it's known who i am talking about)

Because as I stated, though I think both Lego/Brewers ruined their whole abilities with RC as they have, I can believe their roles.  Voting them off for royally screwing up RC for no reason when I suspect they're telling the truth and are town is not going to help town.  So those voting them, especially Kitkat who has bounced between voting Lego and Brewers seems scummy to me.  Especially considering, if Brewers has a role that kills werewolves if targeted, werewolves would want to see Brewers lynched, as they know they can't kill him at night and scum are not likely to kill him off, at least early on if he's not a threat to them, so they'll need him gone either by lynch/scum killed for later in the game if they want to win.  

Though I think at this point Brewers just needs to fully RC if his ability is only against Werewolves.  He's already made it known that werewolves would be dumb to go after him at night, so if his ability only revolves/works if a Werewolf targets him at night, there's zero point in keeping it hidden as werewolves are already going to pick someone else to be on the safe side at night.  If this is the case, then he's basically become a VT.  

 

[Lord MK]

Kevin, can you post a vote count?

Imran was at 4, i don't know about the rest.all i know is that they had less.
So D2 is no lynch?

I am surprised that even without Kevin, people go for no lynch.

Or will we see a hamner vote?
I think everyone is afraid to hammer, as if they do and Imran flips town, they will be under the most scrutiny.
Maybe, iSoc will show up.

@KevinH, is the deadline 12pm or 12 am?

[Robert2424]

Let me review the case on imran again and I could hammer.

[Yehom]

Especially considering, if Brewers has a role that kills werewolves if targeted, werewolves would want to see Brewers lynched, as they know they can't kill him at night and scum are not likely to kill him off, at least early on if he's not a threat to them, so they'll need him gone either by lynch/scum killed for later in the game if they want to win.  

Though I think at this point Brewers just needs to fully RC if his ability is only against Werewolves.  He's already made it known that werewolves would be dumb to go after him at night, so if his ability only revolves/works if a Werewolf targets him at night, there's zero point in keeping it hidden as werewolves are already going to pick someone else to be on the safe side at night.  If this is the case, then he's basically become a VT.  

 

 

I'm sorry, but do you know more than the rest of us, because as far as i know brewers never claimed that he had powers against werewolves. He said he had powers against a possible SK, which again I find doubtful. Is that a misread or a scum/werewolf plan gone bad?

 

 

 

considering what my role is, I am 90% sure there is a sk   (and no my role is not the sk lol)

 

 

well lets just say I would love it if the SK decided to attack me, since it would then just be a total waste of his action for that night! so please, Mr or Mrs SK, please assume im lying and attack me tonight also:  I only said 90% sure, meaning if there ends up not being an SK, the role which I was given will be completly pointless.  So I am assuming there is most likely a sk while acknowledging the fact that KH could be using the role as a red herring to make me think there is a sk to add another wrinkle to the game, when in fact i would just be a vanilla townie,

[Rhizoctonia]

 

Especially considering, if Brewers has a role that kills werewolves if targeted, werewolves would want to see Brewers lynched, as they know they can't kill him at night and scum are not likely to kill him off, at least early on if he's not a threat to them, so they'll need him gone either by lynch/scum killed for later in the game if they want to win.  

Though I think at this point Brewers just needs to fully RC if his ability is only against Werewolves.  He's already made it known that werewolves would be dumb to go after him at night, so if his ability only revolves/works if a Werewolf targets him at night, there's zero point in keeping it hidden as werewolves are already going to pick someone else to be on the safe side at night.  If this is the case, then he's basically become a VT.  

 

 

I'm sorry, but do you know more than the rest of us, because as far as i know brewers never claimed that he had powers against werewolves. He said he had powers against a possible SK, which again I find doubtful. Is that a misread or a scum/werewolf plan gone bad?

 

 

 

considering what my role is, I am 90% sure there is a sk   (and no my role is not the sk lol)

 

 

well lets just say I would love it if the SK decided to attack me, since it would then just be a total waste of his action for that night! so please, Mr or Mrs SK, please assume im lying and attack me tonight also:  I only said 90% sure, meaning if there ends up not being an SK, the role which I was given will be completly pointless.  So I am assuming there is most likely a sk while acknowledging the fact that KH could be using the role as a red herring to make me think there is a sk to add another wrinkle to the game, when in fact i would just be a vanilla townie,

 

 

 

I stand corrected.  For some reason I was thinking he came forward with a RC to verify there were werewolves, but was in fact to verify a SK.  TW was the one immune to werewolves, and verified there were werewolves with his death.

So this merely changes who might be on Brewer's wagon from werewolves to possibly the SK.  The same concept applies.  If Brewers holds an immunity to the SK, the SK is going to need him lynched or killed by other 2 factions since the SK cannot touch him at night.  For the SK to stand a chance at winning, that's his only hope.  And if Brewers ability is only good against the SK, then Mafia/werewolves have no reason to kill him, at least early on as he's no threat to them, so the SK would want to see him lynched.  So very well could be the SK between you, Lach, or Kitkat.  I'd take Kitkat out of that equation of being the SK in this instance, since after Brewer's RC Kitkat didn't instantly switch from Lego to Brewers (he'd rather want Brewers dead if he was the SK), leaving the possibility that Lach or you could be the SK.  Not saying for sure either of you're, but nonetheless it would make sense for an SK to push a lynch of a player that has immunity against them.  Kikat is suspicious for him wanting to lynch two people who RC for which I believe both of them.
 

I also think it's highly likely Brewers is telling the truth, as we already know there was a town immune to werewolves, it's not crazy to think there could be another with an immunity to a SK. 

But still think Brewers should fully RC if in fact his power is only against a SK.  Again, his revealing of what he did pretty much makes his role useless since the SK wont target him, and mafia/werewolves know they don't need to worry about him.  Again, he's merely a VT at this point if his only power is night immunity to the SK.

So far you've vote for Brewers was because it was "uncalled and" "stupid".  Those I don't think are disputable as I'd agree as I've said many times it was both uncalled for/stupid, but those are not reasons to vote someone.  Now you claim that you don't believe his RC, so why's that?  Yet also don't call Lego's stupid, when in fact, I already pointed out to Canik why Lego's was just that, stupid, even more so then Brewers.  At least Brewers as stupid as it was, maybe verified a SK, though was still stupid of him to do.  Voting a possible town for bad choice of RC is not helpful to town, so why don't you believe it?

 

How does it have benefit that everyone knows?  Please tell me how it's beneficial that he told everyone he has this ability, compared to if he didn't RC for no reason at all and had some town with X-shot used up all theirs and came forward with what they found stating they have no night actions left that Lego could be refilling them and no one would have a clue.  His power is beneficial when a town X-shot comes forward stating they're out of actions thus he knows who to use it on, but he instead didn't wait for that and just told everyone.  Now if someone does come out, werewolf/scum are going to target either Lego or target the person out of night actions.  Not beneficial at all.

[Yehom]

I've been thinking about the set up of this game. It's very likely that there are more than 2 factions seeing how N1 panned out. Usually it's 1/4 is mafia, rest is town. That would in this case set up as about 15 or 16 people pro-town and 5 or 6 mafia/werewolves. Given that both anti-town factions need to probably be equal in strength and numbers, to me it's more logical to have 3 mafia, 3 werewolves and 15 town than 2 mafia, 2 werewolves, 1 SK and 15 town. The latter seems unlikely for me seeing as town would be too big and probably too powerful if everybody has a power. The other possibility would be 3 mafia/werewolves, 1 SK and only 14 true townies, which means the town versus anti-town is 1/3 (7 of 21), which would be too much against town. From a game balance perspective only 15 vs 3 vs 3 really makes sense, so I still stand by the fact that a SK is unlikely, which doesn't bode well for brewers and his RC

I've said this 4 pages ago, so good to know you're up to date with the game Rhizo, as for lego's RC, I made a comment about that which is even further back, you can read that yourself if you really care. Little recap: I find it highly unlikely that a SK is in the game seeing the game setup, brewers makes his RC out of nowhere. Who is going to benefit from that? SK isn't going to kill him anymore, nobody can verify his claim as his presumed power is probably defensive and only relevant for himself. Mafia faction is going to let him live because he could be a werewolf so they opt to kill an actual townie or in case brewers is indeed a townie they opt to kill someone that is an actual threat to them, idem if he was scum instead of a werewolf. It's an easy role to 'fake', unless he gets lynched, so basically he has maneuvered himself in a position where he either lives till the end or town has to lynch him down the road, because nobody is going to touch in during the night

[Rhizoctonia]

 

I've been thinking about the set up of this game. It's very likely that there are more than 2 factions seeing how N1 panned out. Usually it's 1/4 is mafia, rest is town. That would in this case set up as about 15 or 16 people pro-town and 5 or 6 mafia/werewolves. Given that both anti-town factions need to probably be equal in strength and numbers, to me it's more logical to have 3 mafia, 3 werewolves and 15 town than 2 mafia, 2 werewolves, 1 SK and 15 town. The latter seems unlikely for me seeing as town would be too big and probably too powerful if everybody has a power. The other possibility would be 3 mafia/werewolves, 1 SK and only 14 true townies, which means the town versus anti-town is 1/3 (7 of 21), which would be too much against town. From a game balance perspective only 15 vs 3 vs 3 really makes sense, so I still stand by the fact that a SK is unlikely, which doesn't bode well for brewers and his RC

I've said this 4 pages ago, so good to know you're up to date with the game Rhizo, as for lego's RC, I made a comment about that which is even further back, you can read that yourself if you really care. Little recap: I find it highly unlikely that a SK is in the game seeing the game setup, brewers makes his RC out of nowhere. Who is going to benefit from that? SK isn't going to kill him anymore, nobody can verify his claim as his presumed power is probably defensive and only relevant for himself. Mafia faction is going to let him live because he could be a werewolf so they opt to kill an actual townie or in case brewers is indeed a townie they opt to kill someone that is an actual threat to them, idem if he was scum instead of a werewolf. It's an easy role to 'fake', unless he gets lynched, so basically he has maneuvered himself in a position where he either lives till the end or town has to lynch him down the road, because nobody is going to touch in during the night

 

 

 

I'm well aware of you're reply to Lego's RC, hence how I knew you said it wasn't "stupid" yet.  

 

 

Why didn't Yehom call my RC "uncalled for and stupid" though?

Because I can actually reason why you would do it. Like you said before you are basically a VT unless someone with a good power dies. If that's false, it's easy to call out as there are people with ways to see if you're lying or not. If it's true, it makes for a cover as mafia/werewolves aren't inclined to kill you, because it would only confirm your role as you claimed. Mafia/werewolves are more likely to keep you alive, because there they want to keep all the people alive that could be seen as mafia/werewolves by the rest of the town. Your RC was uncalled for, yes, but I wouldn't call it stupid just yet. We'll have to see how it plays out to see if it was stupid or brilliant

 

 

 

I wholeheartedly disagree with you.  There was, absolutely zero reason why he would or should.  He gave up his role for no reason, and as I already stated and quoted on my last reply, his value to his role was him not telling people his role, then when x-shots used up their role and roleclaimed, he could resupply them without anyone knowing, while Mafia/Werewolves would think they wouldn't have to worry about the X-shot role that is out of turns as they would expect he no longer has any power and thus is a VT.  Now that Lego has come out, there's no way to verify either, as even if a X-shot comes out and is out of turns, how's he going to verify?  The following night, Mafia/werewovles are going to either target Lego or the x-shot out of shots knowing now they can be refilled.  If they kill Lego, well he's dead so need to verify and he wasted his role, or they kill the X-shot, for which he then cant claim if Lego supplied him that night or not cause he's dead. 

 

It's odd you defend Lego stupid move, while otherwise making moves that would be beneficial to a SK.  You claim you don't think there's a SK, maybe looking to divert people away from feeling there's one, and then vote for the person who if you're a SK you cannot touch at night and only option is hope to lynch him or mafia/werewolves kill him for you though he isn't a threat to them other then a vote during Day time to lynch people the way it sounds.  To me, it's 2 people townies screwing up their roles

 

 

 

At least one scum must be a veteran player here at the IRON forums and someone who isn't much of a jokester, they want to win.

This 

 

Also I'm not so sure if a SK would be in play as there already seem to be more than one anti town faction with TW being revealed as a Retired Werewolf Hunter. 4 different factions seem a little bit much, even in a game with about 20 players. As these bigger games seem to usually be very PR heavy, my guess is that, also seeing the more unusual roles that the 3 people that were killed had, mafia/werewolves targeted someone who can kill anyone that visits them during night. I remember that such a role existed when I browsed the mafia wiki site months ago, but can't remember what it's called. That to me makes more sense than throwing in another faction, but we'll have to wait and see if that theory is correct. As of right now I think it's safe to say that nobody is VT

 

 

 

Why didn't Yehom call my RC "uncalled for and stupid" though?

Because I can actually reason why you would do it. Like you said before you are basically a VT unless someone with a good power dies. If that's false, it's easy to call out as there are people with ways to see if you're lying or not. If it's true, it makes for a cover as mafia/werewolves aren't inclined to kill you, because it would only confirm your role as you claimed. Mafia/werewolves are more likely to keep you alive, because there they want to keep all the people alive that could be seen as mafia/werewolves by the rest of the town. Your RC was uncalled for, yes, but I wouldn't call it stupid just yet. We'll have to see how it plays out to see if it was stupid or brilliant

 

 

 

I've been thinking about the set up of this game. It's very likely that there are more than 2 factions seeing how N1 panned out. Usually it's 1/4 is mafia, rest is town. That would in this case set up as about 15 or 16 people pro-town and 5 or 6 mafia/werewolves. Given that both anti-town factions need to probably be equal in strength and numbers, to me it's more logical to have 3 mafia, 3 werewolves and 15 town than 2 mafia, 2 werewolves, 1 SK and 15 town. The latter seems unlikely for me seeing as town would be too big and probably too powerful if everybody has a power. The other possibility would be 3 mafia/werewolves, 1 SK and only 14 true townies, which means the town versus anti-town is 1/3 (7 of 21), which would be too much against town. From a game balance perspective only 15 vs 3 vs 3 really makes sense, so I still stand by the fact that a SK is unlikely, which doesn't bode well for brewers and his RC

I've said this 4 pages ago, so good to know you're up to date with the game Rhizo, as for lego's RC, I made a comment about that which is even further back, you can read that yourself if you really care. Little recap: I find it highly unlikely that a SK is in the game seeing the game setup, brewers makes his RC out of nowhere. Who is going to benefit from that? SK isn't going to kill him anymore, nobody can verify his claim as his presumed power is probably defensive and only relevant for himself. Mafia faction is going to let him live because he could be a werewolf so they opt to kill an actual townie or in case brewers is indeed a townie they opt to kill someone that is an actual threat to them, idem if he was scum instead of a werewolf. It's an easy role to 'fake', unless he gets lynched, so basically he has maneuvered himself in a position where he either lives till the end or town has to lynch him down the road, because nobody is going to touch in during the night

 

[Rhizoctonia]

I'm not sure what the hell just happened, didn't even post all of my response and double quoted shit.  Then forums sat spinning for me.  Anyway, to my last point that I'll just retype

 

 

 

At least one scum must be a veteran player here at the IRON forums and someone who isn't much of a jokester, they want to win.

This 

 

Also I'm not so sure if a SK would be in play as there already seem to be more than one anti town faction with TW being revealed as a Retired Werewolf Hunter. 4 different factions seem a little bit much, even in a game with about 20 players. As these bigger games seem to usually be very PR heavy, my guess is that, also seeing the more unusual roles that the 3 people that were killed had, mafia/werewolves targeted someone who can kill anyone that visits them during night. I remember that such a role existed when I browsed the mafia wiki site months ago, but can't remember what it's called. That to me makes more sense than throwing in another faction, but we'll have to wait and see if that theory is correct. As of right now I think it's safe to say that nobody is VT

 

 

 

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs

Kevin has mentioned this already a time or two in regards to roles.  On that list, are Cupid/Retired werewolf hunter, and jack of all trades for which we know were roles in this game with the deaths.  You know what other two roles are apart of said list, SK and Retired Marine.  Retired marine being the role immune to SK skills.

The role you're looking for is weak.  The only weak role on said list is weak jailkeeper who is killed if he doesn't target a town.  We know that wasn't the case last night as none of the people who died had that role.  Skimming the list as I pack last minute for vacation, I found no roles that would give anyone the ability to kill someone who targeted them that night.  So if you can find one on that list to explain 3 deaths, show me and I'll look to see if it changes my opinion.  But at this point, it looks like you been one to shut down the idea of a SK as well as push a lynch the only person a SK can't kill at night.  

[legoboyvdlp]

Away from 30/31 then 5th to 8th. Won't be posting much over next 2 weeks.

[Lachiton]

I'm not sure what the hell just happened, didn't even post all of my response and double quoted shit.  Then forums sat spinning for me.  Anyway, to my last point that I'll just retype

 

 

 

At least one scum must be a veteran player here at the IRON forums and someone who isn't much of a jokester, they want to win.

This 

 

Also I'm not so sure if a SK would be in play as there already seem to be more than one anti town faction with TW being revealed as a Retired Werewolf Hunter. 4 different factions seem a little bit much, even in a game with about 20 players. As these bigger games seem to usually be very PR heavy, my guess is that, also seeing the more unusual roles that the 3 people that were killed had, mafia/werewolves targeted someone who can kill anyone that visits them during night. I remember that such a role existed when I browsed the mafia wiki site months ago, but can't remember what it's called. That to me makes more sense than throwing in another faction, but we'll have to wait and see if that theory is correct. As of right now I think it's safe to say that nobody is VT

 

 

 

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs

Kevin has mentioned this already a time or two in regards to roles.  On that list, are Cupid/Retired werewolf hunter, and jack of all trades for which we know were roles in this game with the deaths.  You know what other two roles are apart of said list, SK and Retired Marine.  Retired marine being the role immune to SK skills.

The role you're looking for is weak.  The only weak role on said list is weak jailkeeper who is killed if he doesn't target a town.  We know that wasn't the case last night as none of the people who died had that role.  Skimming the list as I pack last minute for vacation, I found no roles that would give anyone the ability to kill someone who targeted them that night.  So if you can find one on that list to explain 3 deaths, show me and I'll look to see if it changes my opinion.  But at this point, it looks like you been one to shut down the idea of a SK as well as push a lynch the only person a SK can't kill at night.  

Yeah Retired Marine might be his role, though brewers never officially claimed that yet but he heavily implied about it. I already explained my thoughts on both lego and brewers and why I am voting brewers. Here it is for your second look

 

What's with all this RC this early in D2? It was weird with Lego and to quote Yehom "uncalled for and stupid" in case of brewers.

Quick thoughts on both:

Lego - Claims reloader without the urgent need for it. It's not the smartest move, but maybe just poor timing rather than being malicious. So I feel he is town, as scum aligned reloader will give unlimited power to scum and IIRC Kevin said he tried to make the game balanced. So unless he lied about his role, I am more inclined to believe Lego is town. Now I had voted him on D1 but not gonna place on a possible town. Unless further information comes to light, he looks town to me.

Brewers - Not sure what his exact role is but looks like he RCed immune to SK. Though he said that in reply to Imran calling him out, he could've been smart about it if he really wanted to prove there's a SK and not giveaway his immunity ability. This mostly looks like self preservation to me as SK won't be fool enough to target him and scum won't feel he is important enough to kill, in addition to appear townish to avoid being lynched. I have to read up the role list to know his exact role, but I was thinking even if he is not lying, he can be scum aligned, as SK can target both scum and town. Coupled that with his uncharacteristic posts where he is only defending instead of his usual offensive scum hunting by dissecting posts of others, I feel something's off there.

I am just going with my gut feeling there so
Vote: brewers

 

Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But according to me, I have a valid reason to vote brewers. If not for lynching him but to change his gameplay here as we need more people to actively scum hunt. 

Also whether SK exists or not we are still speculating ( I am leaning more towards existence of SK) but saying that the 3rd death can only be caused by SK is somewhat not accurate. What if vgm targeted a PGO with his cupid ability and got killed in the process? 

 

And to the people listed below
 

Not voting: Jazzy95, Rhizoctonia, iSocialism, Rafay, Sister Midnight, LordSunday,

Its high time you guys vote. We have less than 21 hrs left and ending D2 with no lynch will leave us in not a good position.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

I'm not sure what the hell just happened, didn't even post all of my response and double quoted shit.  Then forums sat spinning for me.  Anyway, to my last point that I'll just retype

 

 

 

At least one scum must be a veteran player here at the IRON forums and someone who isn't much of a jokester, they want to win.

This 

 

Also I'm not so sure if a SK would be in play as there already seem to be more than one anti town faction with TW being revealed as a Retired Werewolf Hunter. 4 different factions seem a little bit much, even in a game with about 20 players. As these bigger games seem to usually be very PR heavy, my guess is that, also seeing the more unusual roles that the 3 people that were killed had, mafia/werewolves targeted someone who can kill anyone that visits them during night. I remember that such a role existed when I browsed the mafia wiki site months ago, but can't remember what it's called. That to me makes more sense than throwing in another faction, but we'll have to wait and see if that theory is correct. As of right now I think it's safe to say that nobody is VT

 

 

 

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs

Kevin has mentioned this already a time or two in regards to roles.  On that list, are Cupid/Retired werewolf hunter, and jack of all trades for which we know were roles in this game with the deaths.  You know what other two roles are apart of said list, SK and Retired Marine.  Retired marine being the role immune to SK skills.

The role you're looking for is weak.  The only weak role on said list is weak jailkeeper who is killed if he doesn't target a town.  We know that wasn't the case last night as none of the people who died had that role.  Skimming the list as I pack last minute for vacation, I found no roles that would give anyone the ability to kill someone who targeted them that night.  So if you can find one on that list to explain 3 deaths, show me and I'll look to see if it changes my opinion.  But at this point, it looks like you been one to shut down the idea of a SK as well as push a lynch the only person a SK can't kill at night.  

Yeah Retired Marine might be his role, though brewers never officially claimed that yet but he heavily implied about it. I already explained my thoughts on both lego and brewers and why I am voting brewers. Here it is for your second look

 

 

What's with all this RC this early in D2? It was weird with Lego and to quote Yehom "uncalled for and stupid" in case of brewers.

Quick thoughts on both:

Lego - Claims reloader without the urgent need for it. It's not the smartest move, but maybe just poor timing rather than being malicious. So I feel he is town, as scum aligned reloader will give unlimited power to scum and IIRC Kevin said he tried to make the game balanced. So unless he lied about his role, I am more inclined to believe Lego is town. Now I had voted him on D1 but not gonna place on a possible town. Unless further information comes to light, he looks town to me.

Brewers - Not sure what his exact role is but looks like he RCed immune to SK. Though he said that in reply to Imran calling him out, he could've been smart about it if he really wanted to prove there's a SK and not giveaway his immunity ability. This mostly looks like self preservation to me as SK won't be fool enough to target him and scum won't feel he is important enough to kill, in addition to appear townish to avoid being lynched. I have to read up the role list to know his exact role, but I was thinking even if he is not lying, he can be scum aligned, as SK can target both scum and town. Coupled that with his uncharacteristic posts where he is only defending instead of his usual offensive scum hunting by dissecting posts of others, I feel something's off there.

I am just going with my gut feeling there so
Vote: brewers

 

Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But according to me, I have a valid reason to vote brewers. If not for lynching him but to change his gameplay here as we need more people to actively scum hunt. 

Also whether SK exists or not we are still speculating ( I am leaning more towards existence of SK) but saying that the 3rd death can only be caused by SK is somewhat not accurate. What if vgm targeted a PGO with his cupid ability and got killed in the process? 

 

And to the people listed below
 

Not voting: Jazzy95, Rhizoctonia, iSocialism, Rafay, Sister Midnight, LordSunday,

Its high time you guys vote. We have less than 21 hrs left and ending D2 with no lynch will leave us in not a good position.

 

 

 

I never said it was the only reason, merely stating that if one is going to speculate there isn't an SK as a reason to not believe Brewers RC, then at least find a role that could explain it.  I merely did a quick scan through the roles on Greater Mafia earlier, as well as used search feature to look to find "weak" roles, or roles with the word "kill" in  the description.  I got nothing on the search for a role that would explain it, but you mentioning PGO (had to guess what that stood for), Paranoid Gun Owner is a role that could explain a 3rd death last night.  

 

That was what I wanted to see.  Up to your post, I don't remember seeing anyone post another role explaining how the 3rd kill happened if you don't believe his RC/there is a SK from someone on his wagon.  I saw Yehom post he thought he remembered a role, but I wanted an actual role and scenario you think happened if you don't believe there's a SK.

That being said, I still believe his RC.  His RC seemed rather out of the blue, and a ballsy move to make early D2 if in fact he's lying to set himself up when he was under no suspicion.  I get your thought that claiming as he did sets him up nicely to be avoided from being killed by pretty much everyone.  Town wouldn't want to lynch him, SK wouldn't think he could lynch him, and mafia/scum wouldn't be worried about killing him.  Not saying impossible, but kudos if Brewers made such a move this early to fake RC to set himself up as good as you're suggesting.  For him to be a scum/werewolf and fake RC that early with such a claim, can't say I've seen someone try to pull such off D2 under no suspicion.  Now, if he was fake RCing, him being the SK makes more sense to me.  If he was the SK, being alone and on no team he may have already been looking at possible roles to claim if he got caught, thus would make more sense for him to have a RC this early on.  If he was the SK, claiming the immunity of a SK is a smart play, as most would eliminate him as the possible SK then.

I know usually names are given for safe roleclaims for scum, I wonder if also fake actual roles/powers are as well and for SK's.  

Now you got my head turning about him.  Still look at his RC and see someone being stupid and not realizing what he screwed up just to tell us there's likely a SK.

I'll think while on my plane flight.  I have to leave to catch my flight.  Wanted to reply before I'd be away until later this evening/tomorrow
 

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5 votes required to get lynched on deadline. Already had 5 votes with clueless SBG parroting away how he is sure I am scum and the sheep voting in unison as "i agree!!", "great post!!" "solid case SBG!". Dont think I had much chance without role claiming.

​I find your lack of faith disturbing.. *force chokes Imran*

 

 

 

Noooooooo that's the wrong movie! How dare ye

 

​It was just too fitting. xD

​His lack of faith literally disturbs me. It means he's either scum or screwing up as one of towns stronger roles. 

​About all the SK stuff:

​Rhizo makes some good points and I'm leaning now towards there being a SK and Brewers is probably town. When risk/reward is that bad and it's something kind of elaborate, you can generally assume scum ain't doing it.