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Yes if Rafay flips town surely Jazzy is scum. But how Ali is outed as scum too? Am I missing anything here?
Um..... this post? https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-4/page-33#entry939341
Edit: stupid BBCode thing isn't working.
Nope. Still dont get it. AbT says he doesn't believe Rafay, just like many of us. That doesn't mean whoever doesn't buy Rafay's weak defense is scum too.
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Yes if Rafay flips town surely Jazzy is scum. But how Ali is outed as scum too? Am I missing anything here?
Um..... this post? https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-4/page-33#entry939341
Edit: stupid BBCode thing isn't working.
Nope. Still dont get it. AbT says he doesn't believe Rafay, just like many of us. That doesn't mean whoever doesn't buy Rafay's weak defense is scum too.
Rafay is claiming to be Yoda. AbT is claiming to be Yoda. If Rafay flips town, he will probably have disclosed his correct name. In which case, AbT is probably scum.
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Yes if Rafay flips town surely Jazzy is scum. But how Ali is outed as scum too? Am I missing anything here?
Um..... this post? https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-4/page-33#entry939341
Edit: stupid BBCode thing isn't working.
Nope. Still dont get it. AbT says he doesn't believe Rafay, just like many of us. That doesn't mean whoever doesn't buy Rafay's weak defense is scum too.
Rafay is claiming to be Yoda. AbT is claiming to be Yoda. If Rafay flips town, he will probably have disclosed his correct name. In which case, AbT is probably scum.
Oops I misread that. I thought he was making fun of Rafay. I get it now. Thanks!!
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Yeah, I’d say it is a win for town either way. Rafay = scum, confirms Jazzy as town. Rafay = townie, Jazzy is definitely anti town and ABT probably is anti town.
There's no way in hell Jazzy is deliberately lying. It could be that Rafay has some sort of special role that messes with the read that Jazzy got, but we should find that out when he gets lynched. In any event, I doubt it.
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ali confirmed town now sister midnight.
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I don't see a reason to believe Rafay's claim, especially since a confirmed town has stated he lied about his role name
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Woah!!! I just leave for a couple of hours and suddenly a wagon has formed w/ no proof.
The game has devolved into a roleclaim-fest. I wanted to defend myself but I didn't want to roleclaim.
But since it has come to that I'm going to that but I don't know who the SK is.
I'm Master Yoda, a town doctor. Last night I saved Samus.
On D1 it was Brewsers, on D2 it was Rhizo.
That is my defense.
Well Mafia didn't kill anyone so it's very likely a doctor did protect me/someone, so it is believable..
But "i've been gone a couple of hours"? Sorry don't buy that, you've been gone the entire game mate, just sounds like a desperate excuse to stay alive.
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Rafay is not telling the truth. If he were that would mean:
1. Jazzy is lying. Why would he?
2. I'm lying. Why would I, assuming I'm a town? And if I'm not a town how would I know that Robert was reloaded?
3. Why would 2 scum sacrifice themselves to kill Rafay? Is he some sort of mafia mastermind with an amazing role, that cann't be nightkilled?
BTW, since Rafay didn't got a safe name, Samus past claim to be Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Nurse is more believable. And at the same time, I'd like to ask Jazzy a question:
What's your name? You didn't say it, just mentioned your role.
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Yes if Rafay flips town surely Jazzy is scum. But how Ali is outed as scum too? Am I missing anything here?
Um..... this post? https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61143-kh-19the-last-jedi-mafia-day-4/page-33#entry939341
Edit: stupid BBCode thing isn't working.
Nope. Still dont get it. AbT says he doesn't believe Rafay, just like many of us. That doesn't mean whoever doesn't buy Rafay's weak defense is scum too.
Rafay is claiming to be Yoda. AbT is claiming to be Yoda. If Rafay flips town, he will probably have disclosed his correct name. In which case, AbT is probably scum.
Oops I misread that. I thought he was making fun of Rafay. I get it now. Thanks!!
I missed that too, glad you said something.
Considering that yeah really looks like Rafay is lying. If not, AbT & Jazzy would by lying which would just be so stupid on their part it can't be true.
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Rafay is not telling the truth. If he were that would mean:
1. Jazzy is lying. Why would he?
2. I'm lying. Why would I, assuming I'm a town? And if I'm not a town how would I know that Robert was reloaded?
3. Why would 2 scum sacrifice themselves to kill Rafay? Is he some sort of mafia mastermind with an amazing role, that cann't be nightkilled?
BTW, since Rafay didn't got a safe name, Samus past claim to be Obi-Wan Kenobi, a Nurse is more believable. And at the same time, I'd like to ask Jazzy a question:
What's your name? You didn't say it, just mentioned your role.
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Sorry that I have not been able to post before now since the start of the new day. My laptop died and I left the charger at work over the weekend. Well done to any of our power roles who could have prevented any kills from occurring last night!
As for Jazzy's claim and Rafay's defense, it is incredibly difficult to believe that Jazzy would be the one lying in that scenario. Rafay's play style would normally bode well for having such a role but not so much recently as many people view it as toxic to a town's efforts. Sorry mate but I don't think a defense of "thinking I'm scum (SK) just because I was scum in the last X number of games I played like this is foolish" is going to work either.
@ABT - I enjoyed reading your post as well but I am asking for clarification on it just to be certain. Are you actually claiming that you (Lego) were given the name Yoda and therefore refuting Rafay's claimed name?
The town only stands to gain from lynching Rafay today in my opinion. At best we take out the serial killer and clear Jazzy and ABT. At worst we lose a claimed doctor who would die tonight anyway now that he has claimed doctor. And if Rafay is the serial killer (which I believe he is), it is likely that he needs to be lynched in order to be removed from the game. As I mentioned yesterday, it is probable that the serial killer has a modifier of some kind (2-shot bulletproof, immune to mafia kills, immune to werewolf kills) that helps make him immune to night kills anyway. Removing him during the day via lynch is probably the easiest way to get rid of the serial killer.
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The reason for not ending the day early would be to see how everyone reacts to the day's events so far and push those who haven't responded to respond. Particularly those who haven't commented on Rafay's defense.
@Rhizo - What do you make of Rafay's defense?
Unofficial Vote count:
Rafay (5): Jazzy95, Lachiton, Robert2424, LordSunday, The Warrior
Yehom (0):
Canik (0):
Brewersalliance (0):
Jazzy95 (0):
LordSunday (0):
The Warrior (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Samus (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Kitkat16 (0):
Sister Midnight (0):
Lachiton (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not voting: Rhizoctonia, Ali bin Turban, Kitkat16, Yehom, Rafay, Sister Midnight, Canik, Samus, Brewersalliance,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch, or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, March 3, at 07:00 EST.
Is there any reason to keep the day going? Also, I am not sure of the latest vote count.
The main reason would be to think what to do next. What would you do if Jazzy didn't come out and told the news? Would you just end the day without voting on anyone? This is not a pro town play.
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The reason for not ending the day early would be to see how everyone reacts to the day's events so far and push those who haven't responded to respond. Particularly those who haven't commented on Rafay's defense.
@Rhizo - What do you make of Rafay's defense?
Unofficial Vote count:
Rafay (5): Jazzy95, Lachiton, Robert2424, LordSunday, The Warrior
Yehom (0):
Canik (0):
Brewersalliance (0):
Jazzy95 (0):
LordSunday (0):
The Warrior (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Samus (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Kitkat16 (0):
Sister Midnight (0):
Lachiton (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not voting: Rhizoctonia, Ali bin Turban, Kitkat16, Yehom, Rafay, Sister Midnight, Canik, Samus, Brewersalliance,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch, or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, March 3, at 07:00 EST.
It's rather irrelevant to continue on Rafay. I already replied on him being outed. I don't know what you plan to get from hearing people's opinion of his defense, anyone who has played this game more then once knows he's lying. But since you ask
His defense isn't a defense. I'm honestly surprised he even posted, and I give him credit for at least trying, but I wouldn't had wasted my time to even reply if I was him. It would be absolutely stupid of Jazzy to come out with such information if it's untrue. Jazzy gains nothing from lying about this. Let's assume he's lying, he proceeds to get Rafay lynched to then get himself lynched tomorrow when Rafay pops up town. There's no benefit for Jazzy to do so if he was scum/werewolves/SK to fake such a claim at this point in the game.
He also claimed Yoda, for which Ali claims to be. It's been confirmed that Ali is who he says he is with reloading Robert last night, so it's safe to say he's town. So he shot himself in the foot a second time.
Normally I'd say, maybe look at a role that could cause Rafay to come up as SK (framer or something, not sure if there's such a role based on the setup of Kevin's game), but given that he claimed a name that Ali is also claiming, I don't forsee the point in even thinking about an alternate scenario that could of happened. It seems Rafay took a shot in the dark on a fake RC name, and he picked a name that someone was assigned and thus failed at it. I'm surprised he wasn't supplied a fake name to RC as by mod, which makes me wonder if Scum/Werewolves were given alternate names to use or not. We haven't lynched a scum/werewolves to test it, the only deaths of either of them have been at night.
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yeah I am a little shocked on the yoda claim to be honest. star wars has hundreds of names to chose from. Yoda is extremely well known and a major character so the odds of yoda not being in use would probably be pretty low. If I was Rafay I would have probably claimed Chelli Lona Aphra as my name lol
the name claim mishap pretty much drives in the final nail imo
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The name claim was foolish on Rafay's part. It's unfortunate for him that the shot in the dark he took turned out to be ABT's name since ABT is now essentially confirmed to be who he claims which just makes Rafay's defense all the more unbelievable.
I took a look back through the list of roles for the game just in case but did not immediately see a role that could doctor the result of Jazzy's investigation of Rafay. Granted, I am not familiar with some of the more obscure roles listed but it didn't appear that there was anything to falsify that result.
Sorry Rafay.
 
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