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[Ali bin Turban]

My general thoughts on Robert:

 

- He could be killed due to him being a confirmed town and also a safe pick at the same time (due to his role he wouldn't be protected by doctor).

- Werewolves think (which is probably true) town does not have any investigative roles that can discover them (seer is dead), so incentive for hunting players with unknown roles is low. Especially if they have ninja (possible role). In this case our hypothetical watcher/tracker wont find them.

 

I asked some time ago about roleblocking preventing kills and Kevinh confirmed. With that knowledge, my thoughts on Rhizo:

 

- Damn you Rhizo...I'm to young to die!

- If we have town roleblocker Rhizo was an obvious choice for him.

- If there's a werewolf roleblocker, blocking Rhizo would only make sense if there was a high chance of him targeting one of their own. That could be:

          Suspecting Samus would kill him at night, he could at least take revenge.

          Suspecting Rhizo would target one of the unknown players and at the same time assuming we have both werewolves among them.

- It's also possible that werewolves were simply not happy about the chance of getting killed or, as TW mentioned, tracked at night, no matter the odds.

 

All in all we don't know who blocked him, but at least we can be sure there's a roleblocker around. Also the fact that Rhizo didn't target TW may confirm that indeed there are no more mafia players.

[Ali bin Turban]

And for the record I didn't reload anyone at night.

 

Knowing who to lynch today we still may think who should we lynch tomorrow (we should do sort of a prelynch)

 

Rhizoctonia (today's lynch)

 

Canik : confirmed town

Ali bin Turban: confirmed town

Brewersalliance: sort of confirmed

--- those below I find helpful to the town for now ---

The Warrior:

Samus:

LordSunday:

Jazzy95 (though only for his confirming Canik).

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town ---

Lachiton: 

Sister Midnight:

Kitkat:

Yehom:

 

My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow. 

[Canik]

I guess I could see werewolves not wanting to allow the possibility of Rhizo killing/tracking them. Not the call I would've made but I can see it.

--- those below I find not helpful to the town --- Lachiton: Sister Midnight: Kitkat: Yehom: My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow.

I agree. With Yehom & Lachiton being my 1st choices. But they're all close.
 

[The Warrior]

And for the record I didn't reload anyone at night.

 

Knowing who to lynch today we still may think who should we lynch tomorrow (we should do sort of a prelynch)

 

Rhizoctonia (today's lynch)

 

Canik : confirmed town

Ali bin Turban: confirmed town

Brewersalliance: sort of confirmed

--- those below I find helpful to the town for now ---

The Warrior:

Samus:

LordSunday:

Jazzy95 (though only for his confirming Canik).

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town ---

Lachiton: 

Sister Midnight:

Kitkat:

Yehom:

 

My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow. 

I generally agree with your list. One exception would be Sister Midnight. I believe that she is more likely to be town so I would move her out of the bottom category.

 

One other possible exception is LordSunday. I am neutral on him currently and want to see more from him.

 

I think that taking a harder look at Yehom, KitKat, or Lachiton tomorrow would be beneficial for the town, barring some new information coming to light.

[Kitkat16]

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

[Rhizoctonia]

 

I just am curious why the hell werewolves went after Robert lol.  Already knew his role, wasn't going to be used again most likely.  You got a reloader you still could be worried about, a unknown roleblocker unless the roleblocker is werewolves, and could of killed Jazzy last night to prevent her from verifying Canik.  Robert wasn't even the most active player currently playing.  Always could be Jazzy is a werewolf fbi agent and wanted to keep canik alive to gain more town points by verifying a town.

Also, Samus came up town to TW right?  Wouldn't a werewolf not be revealed to TW, only a scum faction member?

It doesn't make sense to me why they would go after Robert either unless they were just trying to avoid town power roles by picking someone who wasn't likely to be visited.

 

My investigation of Samus returned a "Not Guilty" result. The only possibilities are that he is town or a werewolf. And unless Samus was a 1-shot PGO who was visited on night 1 and therefore used up his "1-shot" he cannot be a PGO because I would have died while investigating him on night 2.

 

I went after AbT FYI, so not possible there was any bulletproof that happened.  I got "no result" as well on my tracker ability, the same thing I got N2.  The other times I got who they visited, or they didn't visit anyone, thus getting a no result leads me to believe I was in fact blocked, both from tracking and my kill.  

Did you target ABT with your tracking ability and your kill last night?

 

The fact that you received a "No Result" return from your tracking ability means that you were definitely Roleblocked. From the mafia wiki:

The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of "did not target anyone" or similar.

 

If a Tracker is somehow blocked from their action (by Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Rolestopper, Ascetic, or Commuter), they should receive a "No Result" pm, rather than a "did not see anything" pm.

 

My assumption is that it was a werewolf Roleblocker. The werewolf faction would want to prevent Rhizo, a known tracker, (mafia or otherwise) from performing his night action and potentially exposing them before he is lynched today.

 

 

 

No, i  tracked Lach because he's been mostly quiet except from early on, hasn't RC'd and was curious if i could catch a werewolf in action, and my target to be killed was AbT.  It was nothing personal to AbT, I just felt removing him removed a very skilled player, and having a few already verified townies, wanted to help even it up for both sides.  

It's been a boring game for me, blocked twice on my tracking, tracked Imran to a person killed but was lynched without my help, Canik who didn't do anything, and 2 stopped night kills. Damn you'll, let me have at least some fun before I die!

[The Warrior]

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

You'll notice that I never actually said that I was putting SM on a list titled "useful people to the town". I just said that I personally would move her out of the bottom category. I'd probably put her in a group titled "most likely a townie".

[Kitkat16]

 

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

You'll notice that I never actually said that I was putting SM on a list titled "useful people to the town". I just said that I personally would move her out of the bottom category. I'd probably put her in a group titled "most likely a townie".

 

 

Pedantry. I'm not particularly more suspicious than SM. Anyway, if anything Samus would be my #1 kill option for tomorrow, given his erratic play. 

[LordSunday]

 

And for the record I didn't reload anyone at night.

 

Knowing who to lynch today we still may think who should we lynch tomorrow (we should do sort of a prelynch)

 

Rhizoctonia (today's lynch)

 

Canik : confirmed town

Ali bin Turban: confirmed town

Brewersalliance: sort of confirmed

--- those below I find helpful to the town for now ---

The Warrior:

Samus:

LordSunday:

Jazzy95 (though only for his confirming Canik).

 

--- those below I find not helpful to the town ---

Lachiton: 

Sister Midnight:

Kitkat:

Yehom:

 

My personal choice would be to lynch Yehom tomorrow. 

I generally agree with your list. One exception would be Sister Midnight. I believe that she is more likely to be town so I would move her out of the bottom category.

 

One other possible exception is LordSunday. I am neutral on him currently and want to see more from him.

 

I think that taking a harder look at Yehom, KitKat, or Lachiton tomorrow would be beneficial for the town, barring some new information coming to light.

 

 

I apologize for being a little more sporadic I had the first round of exams recently 

 

The presence of a roleblocker makes sense with why there was only one kill last night. The question though is it a town or ww roleblocker who did it?

 

I also think that this list is accurate and those near the bottom should be sharing some of their thoughts and contributing more

[Samus]

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

scum you sound mad

[Kitkat16]

 

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

scum you sound mad

 

 

no u

[The Warrior]

 

 

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

You'll notice that I never actually said that I was putting SM on a list titled "useful people to the town". I just said that I personally would move her out of the bottom category. I'd probably put her in a group titled "most likely a townie".

 

 

Pedantry. I'm not particularly more suspicious than SM. Anyway, if anything Samus would be my #1 kill option for tomorrow, given his erratic play. 

Samus' lie was not a great look and would usually be an excellent reason to lynch him, however I am taking everything surrounding this situation into account and it's that reason that I still don't believe he is the first place we should look.

 

1) SBG investigated Samus and found him not guilty. This alone does not necessarily mean that he is town as he could still be a werewolf.

2) However if Samus was a werewolf I think it would be an incredibly risky and not very rewarding play to make for him to thrust himself into the spotlight as a liar by asking ABT to reload him at night. You saw the response from the town. His lie was immediately pointed out and was called into question. What does Samus gain there? The chance to possibly kill ABT or one other townie as a werewolf 1-shot PGO or 1-shot Vig? He would just be killed right away the day after. When the numbers are against you, a 1-for-1 trade is not a beneficial transaction. Samus would have been far more useful to a werewolf faction by staying quiet. No one would have questioned his previously claimed Nurse role.

3) Traditionally, Samus is a popular early night kill candidate. Role claiming a relatively worthless role (such as Nurse) early in the game could cause scum factions to look elsewhere long before looking at Samus so I can see where Samus was coming from.

 

Now as I previously mentioned, lying is generally not a great town indicator. All things considered though, I can see where Samus is coming from and given the other circumstances surrounding him, I personally believe that there are better places to look first.

[Samus]

3) Traditionally, Samus is a popular early night kill candidate. Role claiming a relatively worthless role (such as Nurse) early in the game could cause scum factions to look elsewhere long before looking at Samus so I can see where Samus was coming from.

 

exactly.

[Yehom]

I've been extremely busy these couple of days, but I have been able to keep up with the game, so I just need some time to post my complete thoughts, which I will post tomorrow if i have the time. 

[Kitkat16]

 

 

 

Psh. Samus and LS are "helpful" to the town and I'm not? Samus is freaking weird in this game and I can't see what LS is doing more than I. There isn't a vast amount to go on, here. I *DO* contribute where I can. And why exactly is SM on your list of useful people, TW?

You'll notice that I never actually said that I was putting SM on a list titled "useful people to the town". I just said that I personally would move her out of the bottom category. I'd probably put her in a group titled "most likely a townie".

 

 

Pedantry. I'm not particularly more suspicious than SM. Anyway, if anything Samus would be my #1 kill option for tomorrow, given his erratic play. 

Samus' lie was not a great look and would usually be an excellent reason to lynch him, however I am taking everything surrounding this situation into account and it's that reason that I still don't believe he is the first place we should look.

 

1) SBG investigated Samus and found him not guilty. This alone does not necessarily mean that he is town as he could still be a werewolf.

2) However if Samus was a werewolf I think it would be an incredibly risky and not very rewarding play to make for him to thrust himself into the spotlight as a liar by asking ABT to reload him at night. You saw the response from the town. His lie was immediately pointed out and was called into question. What does Samus gain there? The chance to possibly kill ABT or one other townie as a werewolf 1-shot PGO or 1-shot Vig? He would just be killed right away the day after. When the numbers are against you, a 1-for-1 trade is not a beneficial transaction. Samus would have been far more useful to a werewolf faction by staying quiet. No one would have questioned his previously claimed Nurse role.

3) Traditionally, Samus is a popular early night kill candidate. Role claiming a relatively worthless role (such as Nurse) early in the game could cause scum factions to look elsewhere long before looking at Samus so I can see where Samus was coming from.

 

Now as I previously mentioned, lying is generally not a great town indicator. All things considered though, I can see where Samus is coming from and given the other circumstances surrounding him, I personally believe that there are better places to look first.

 

 

So what's the consensus about what Samus' actual role is?

[The Warrior]

I think he is the 1-shot Town Vigilante that he claimed to be after asking ABT to reload him. I could be proven wrong but I think it's likely.

[Kitkat16]

I think he is the 1-shot Town Vigilante that he claimed to be after asking ABT to reload him. I could be proven wrong but I think it's likely.

 

I read that, but I didn't absorb it. Oops. Comes of not bothering to reread the thread, but we do have 43 pages so far... 

[KevinH]

Luke: So, it is time for the Jedi Order to end?
Yoda: Time it is...hmm, for you to look past a pile of old books, hmm?
Luke: The sacred Jedi texts!
Yoda: Oh? Read them, have you?
Luke: Well, I...
Yoda: Page-turners they were not. Yes, yes, yes. Wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess. Ah, Skywalker...still looking to the horizon. Never here! [pokes Luke with his walking stick] Now, hmm? The need in front of your nose!
Luke: I was weak. Unwise.
Yoda: Lost Ben Solo, you did. Lose Rey, you must not.
Luke: I can't be what she needs me to be!
Yoda: Heeded my words not, did you? "Pass on what you have learned." Strength, mastery, hmm...but weakness, folly, failure, also. Yes: failure, most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.
 
"@Kevin - Would a Roleblocker be able to prevent a faction kill?"

Yes, that's partly why the faction has to declare who is delivering the kill.


Vote count:

Rhizoctonia (3): Kitkat16, Canik, Sister Midnight,
The Warrior (0): 
Lachiton (0): 
Yehom (0):  
Canik (0):
Brewersalliance (0):
Jazzy95 (0): 
LordSunday (0):
Samus (0):
Ali bin Turban (0):
Kitkat16 (0):
Sister Midnight (0):

No Lynch (0): 

Not voting:  Rhizoctonia, Ali bin Turban, Yehom, Jazzy95, Lachiton, LordSunday, Brewersalliance, The Warrior, Samus

 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, March 17, at 12:00 EDT.

[Lachiton]

I have been extremely busy recently, being out of country for a while, so my activity has been all over the place. 

Having said that I am surprised I have been categorized as "unhelpful" to town. If I couldn't catch scum or prove someone town, then you're right I was not successful in that regard but then again I have tried to provide my thoughts and analysis whenever I could.

I will post more on the current situation a bit later when I have time, but as I have warned before, be very careful in labelling someone town and only hunting those whose alignment are unknown. There maybe a reason why some of the "unknowns" are not coming forward with their roles, which to me seems like the only way to prove oneself town. I can totally understand why AbT's lynch list targets people who have not RCed, but keep in mind if you stop pressurizing the ones who did reveal information by RCing or who RCed just for the sake of it. Just an example - Jazzy did reveal SK and also apparently cleared Canik, that was just because of her role and she got lucky with it. Keeping that aside, do you see any difference between Rafay and her gameplay? I guess if you're town you should be participating much more than what she has done.

[Kitkat16]

Lach is correct. The mere fact that one has not roleclaimed does not in itself say much. Bear in mind that there are going to be some weak PR roles and some VTs amongst the townies. There's not much point coming forward if you're in that category. Nor is there any point in, for example, the doctor roleclaiming. Unless we have actually done something explicitly suspicious, be careful in your lynching.