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[brewersalliance]

If Samus is town, then there is most likely a ww roleblocker, as his kill did not go through. So the ww will probably role block Samus again just to be safe, so I think it's still best to say you are going to reload Samus, even if it's not your plan. That way the ww really won't have a choice and will have to RB him (assuming Samus is town). Kevin said Samus would be told if you reload him, so even if your plan is to reload someone else, that other person would be told and.samus would realize he wasn't reloaded when he isn't told , and the ww would have to use their block on Samus to prevent a kill. Idk just my "I just woke up at 5am opinion"

[Lachiton]

I am on my phone so bear with me if my sentences are hard to understand.
Here are what my top picks of scum:
LS - Comes back after a long hiatus and immediately knows who are "certain" scum. He was in my "maybe" category due to him being inactive for genuine reasons but him trying to push a lynch on me and Kitkat makes me feel he is trying to save a ww who had RCed before today. Also brewers was right to point out the hypocrisy of suspecting me for not claiming. He says he have an important role that's why he is not claiming, but how does he know the same rule can apply to me as well.
Jazzy - Nothing much from him throughout the game except finding out Rafay. Now with FBI agent also a ww role it can easily be ww lying low after making us believe his good intentions. I am guessing a ww fbi will play exactly like that.

Kitkat - He has been active throughout the game but did little to help hunt scum. Jumped on me without adding anything of his own, said he wouldn't RC even if lynched but goes ahead anyways. Not to mention butchering his RC and not getting that when I indirectly questioned his claim. But keeping all the things he said while role claiming, I think he is not the lynch for today. Though I will keep a close eye on him.

As for today's lynch I guess I am right on this one
Vote LordSunday

[Samus]

I am on my phone so bear with me if my sentences are hard to understand.
Here are what my top picks of scum:
LS - Comes back after a long hiatus and immediately knows who are "certain" scum. He was in my "maybe" category due to him being inactive for genuine reasons but him trying to push a lynch on me and Kitkat makes me feel he is trying to save a ww who had RCed before today. Also brewers was right to point out the hypocrisy of suspecting me for not claiming. He says he have an important role that's why he is not claiming, but how does he know the same rule can apply to me as well.
Jazzy - Nothing much from him throughout the game except finding out Rafay. Now with FBI agent also a ww role it can easily be ww lying low after making us believe his good intentions. I am guessing a ww fbi will play exactly like that.

Kitkat - He has been active throughout the game but did little to help hunt scum. Jumped on me without adding anything of his own, said he wouldn't RC even if lynched but goes ahead anyways. Not to mention butchering his RC and not getting that when I indirectly questioned his claim. But keeping all the things he said while role claiming, I think he is not the lynch for today. Though I will keep a close eye on him.

As for today's lynch I guess I am right on this one
Vote LordSunday

 

Looks like scum, both trying to distance from one another tbh

[brewersalliance]

Not to mention butchering his RC and not getting that when I indirectly questioned his claim. But keeping all the things he said while role claiming

 

him not jumping on that right away honestly makes me think its more likely to be a mistake.  cause if he really thought that was his role, he would have no reason to get that when you questioned it.

 

unvote 

Looks like scum, both trying to distance from one another tbh

 

while it does kind of give off that vibe, it would be one hell of a coincidence if both of our last two ww just so happened to be the two least active people who were just out of the country.  its almost too simple of a solution,  but with that being said there is a reason Occam's Razor is a thing 

 

im gonna hold off on voting for now

[Ali bin Turban]

abt, you gonna reload me tonight?

Yep

[Ali bin Turban]

Now to Lord Sunday's statement:

 

I think there are 3 roles that have been used here that would be valuable to the town: Doctor, Watcher and Roleblocker. Considering all our findings I don't think there's a Doctor around. I also don't think Town has a Roleblocker (considering we got jailer).

 

As far as valuable roles go there's just Watcher left...so if LS is a Watcher and all he can tell us is this ... then there's not much value to be gained from his role.

 

If I were to guess, I'd say scum team is composed of Lord Sunday as Werewolf Watcher and Lachiton as Werewolf Roleblocker. So maybe lynching Lachiton and shooting LS at night wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

Thanks to Yehom who blocked Rhizo's kill we're now sitting on 8 townies and 2 scums. That means we can make 2 misslynches and 1 missed Vig shot (that Vig shot is a bonus). Assuming worse case scenario, if we take it and miss we'll enter LYLO in 2 days with 3 townies vs 2 scums, and we don't take it we'll still enter LYLO in 2 days, but with 4 townies and 2 scums.

[The Warrior]

If Samus is town, then there is most likely a ww roleblocker, as his kill did not go through. So the ww will probably role block Samus again just to be safe, so I think it's still best to say you are going to reload Samus, even if it's not your plan. That way the ww really won't have a choice and will have to RB him (assuming Samus is town). Kevin said Samus would be told if you reload him, so even if your plan is to reload someone else, that other person would be told and.samus would realize he wasn't reloaded when he isn't told , and the ww would have to use their block on Samus to prevent a kill. Idk just my "I just woke up at 5am opinion"

I'm not sure whether there is a werewolf roleblocker left or not but I am almost positive that it was actually Yehom who protected SM from Samus' kill by jailing her.

 

 

I am on my phone so bear with me if my sentences are hard to understand.
Here are what my top picks of scum:
LS - Comes back after a long hiatus and immediately knows who are "certain" scum. He was in my "maybe" category due to him being inactive for genuine reasons but him trying to push a lynch on me and Kitkat makes me feel he is trying to save a ww who had RCed before today. Also brewers was right to point out the hypocrisy of suspecting me for not claiming. He says he have an important role that's why he is not claiming, but how does he know the same rule can apply to me as well.
Jazzy - Nothing much from him throughout the game except finding out Rafay. Now with FBI agent also a ww role it can easily be ww lying low after making us believe his good intentions. I am guessing a ww fbi will play exactly like that.

Kitkat - He has been active throughout the game but did little to help hunt scum. Jumped on me without adding anything of his own, said he wouldn't RC even if lynched but goes ahead anyways. Not to mention butchering his RC and not getting that when I indirectly questioned his claim. But keeping all the things he said while role claiming, I think he is not the lynch for today. Though I will keep a close eye on him.

As for today's lynch I guess I am right on this one
Vote LordSunday

 

Looks like scum, both trying to distance from one another tbh

 

This is the vibe I got as well. If the scum team is Lachiton/LordSunday it obviously makes sense at this point for them to distance themselves if possible since there are only a few possible scum choices left. They obviously know that they aren't both going to survive. Offering up LS first in his list of scum would make Lachiton look "good" when LordSunday is killed as scum.

 

Then throwing in Jazzy and KitKat are the next best options since neither is confirmed and both have had their alignments questioned. These choices were offered up to hopefully give the town somewhere else to look than Lachiton hopefully moving forward.

 

Now to Lord Sunday's statement:

 

I think there are 3 roles that have been used here that would be valuable to the town: Doctor, Watcher and Roleblocker. Considering all our findings I don't think there's a Doctor around. I also don't think Town has a Roleblocker (considering we got jailer).

 

As far as valuable roles go there's just Watcher left...so if LS is a Watcher and all he can tell us is this ... then there's not much value to be gained from his role.

 

If I were to guess, I'd say scum team is composed of Lord Sunday as Werewolf Watcher and Lachiton as Werewolf Roleblocker. So maybe lynching Lachiton and shooting LS at night wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

Thanks to Yehom who blocked Rhizo's kill we're now sitting on 8 townies and 2 scums. That means we can make 2 misslynches and 1 missed Vig shot (that Vig shot is a bonus). Assuming worse case scenario, if we take it and miss we'll enter LYLO in 2 days with 3 townies vs 2 scums, and we don't take it we'll still enter LYLO in 2 days, but with 4 townies and 2 scums.

There's no way that there is a town doctor. We can definitely write off that role.

 

The best course of action for the town today is to lynch Lachiton or LordSunday and hopefully have Samus shoot the other at night. I think that would be game over. And if it isn't, there is either a werewolf roleblocker for sure who blocked Samus' shot or our last werewolf isn't one of these two. In that case we should look at KitKat and Jazzy.

[brewersalliance]

 

If Samus is town, then there is most likely a ww roleblocker, as his kill did not go through. So the ww will probably role block Samus again just to be safe, so I think it's still best to say you are going to reload Samus, even if it's not your plan. That way the ww really won't have a choice and will have to RB him (assuming Samus is town). Kevin said Samus would be told if you reload him, so even if your plan is to reload someone else, that other person would be told and.samus would realize he wasn't reloaded when he isn't told , and the ww would have to use their block on Samus to prevent a kill. Idk just my "I just woke up at 5am opinion"

I'm not sure whether there is a werewolf roleblocker left or not but I am almost positive that it was actually Yehom who protected SM from Samus' kill by jailing her.

 

 

I am on my phone so bear with me if my sentences are hard to understand.
Here are what my top picks of scum:
LS - Comes back after a long hiatus and immediately knows who are "certain" scum. He was in my "maybe" category due to him being inactive for genuine reasons but him trying to push a lynch on me and Kitkat makes me feel he is trying to save a ww who had RCed before today. Also brewers was right to point out the hypocrisy of suspecting me for not claiming. He says he have an important role that's why he is not claiming, but how does he know the same rule can apply to me as well.
Jazzy - Nothing much from him throughout the game except finding out Rafay. Now with FBI agent also a ww role it can easily be ww lying low after making us believe his good intentions. I am guessing a ww fbi will play exactly like that.

Kitkat - He has been active throughout the game but did little to help hunt scum. Jumped on me without adding anything of his own, said he wouldn't RC even if lynched but goes ahead anyways. Not to mention butchering his RC and not getting that when I indirectly questioned his claim. But keeping all the things he said while role claiming, I think he is not the lynch for today. Though I will keep a close eye on him.

As for today's lynch I guess I am right on this one
Vote LordSunday

 

Looks like scum, both trying to distance from one another tbh

 

This is the vibe I got as well. If the scum team is Lachiton/LordSunday it obviously makes sense at this point for them to distance themselves if possible since there are only a few possible scum choices left. They obviously know that they aren't both going to survive. Offering up LS first in his list of scum would make Lachiton look "good" when LordSunday is killed as scum.

 

Then throwing in Jazzy and KitKat are the next best options since neither is confirmed and both have had their alignments questioned. These choices were offered up to hopefully give the town somewhere else to look than Lachiton hopefully moving forward.

 

Now to Lord Sunday's statement:

 

I think there are 3 roles that have been used here that would be valuable to the town: Doctor, Watcher and Roleblocker. Considering all our findings I don't think there's a Doctor around. I also don't think Town has a Roleblocker (considering we got jailer).

 

As far as valuable roles go there's just Watcher left...so if LS is a Watcher and all he can tell us is this ... then there's not much value to be gained from his role.

 

If I were to guess, I'd say scum team is composed of Lord Sunday as Werewolf Watcher and Lachiton as Werewolf Roleblocker. So maybe lynching Lachiton and shooting LS at night wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

Thanks to Yehom who blocked Rhizo's kill we're now sitting on 8 townies and 2 scums. That means we can make 2 misslynches and 1 missed Vig shot (that Vig shot is a bonus). Assuming worse case scenario, if we take it and miss we'll enter LYLO in 2 days with 3 townies vs 2 scums, and we don't take it we'll still enter LYLO in 2 days, but with 4 townies and 2 scums.

There's no way that there is a town doctor. We can definitely write off that role.

 

The best course of action for the town today is to lynch Lachiton or LordSunday and hopefully have Samus shoot the other at night. I think that would be game over. And if it isn't, there is either a werewolf roleblocker for sure who blocked Samus' shot or our last werewolf isn't one of these two. In that case we should look at KitKat and Jazzy.

 

while I do agree this is the most likely outcome, I still think we cannot ignore the fact that their could be a ww cop or a ww fbi agent, so if lach and LS flipped town, i would not be shocked one bit if they had one of those roles.  I don't think that they would have both investigative roles, but i do still think its a possibility we should not ignore.  nothing about TW's play screams scum, and I do think he is town, but he is a very veteran player, so I would not be shocked if he is a ww cop and able to appear as town with ease.  I still think lach and LS is the right play for today, but I want to make sure we keep all things in consideration. 

[Canik]

​Vote Lord Sunday

​His defense/contributions have been the weakest so far.



 

[brewersalliance]

fuck it

 

vote lachiton 

[Lachiton]

Well you guys will find out soon that I am not lying. Maybe I will just say the customary "I TOLD YOU SO" right now and gracefully exit the game.

 

And why lynching me is not a good idea, especially with jail keeper gone and probably no doctor in sight.

There's a reason I said the above 3 days back. I didnt want to be made aware that I am there to screw up a scum kill but theres no point keeping quiet about it now.I am Town Bodyguard. I cant stop kill in the conventional sense but I can redirect the kill to me so that I am killed instead, protecting my target.

 

I wanted to be careful about whom I target each night as I didnt want to sacrifice myself protecting a potential scum because that would suck. Also I wanted to be alive too so that I can enjoy the game for much longer. So N1 I decided to skip visiting anyone as with so many players I was unsure about the set-up and all. I did target others on subsequent nights so here are the actions :

N2 - There were 2 roles somewhat revealed, lego and brewers. Since I didnt believe brewers at that time, not exactly his implied role claim but his alignment. Lego seemed bit genuine to me and as a reloader somewhat of a safe choice for not being killed that early. So I targeted him, believing if scum tries to kill him at least I will die protecting fellow townie, though odds of that happening was less. Bit selfish on my part but I didnt know about other powerful PRs to protect.

 

N3 - Robert was revealed as well as Samus claimed nurse. Since nurse was claimed it was definitely certain a doctor was there. Thinking doctor would want to protect nurse, I targeted Robert. Though the use of his role created confusion, he could have been valuable at the later stages of the game and we can probably set up a scum only lynch. Also I hoped he will not be targeted by scum and hopefully I can live another night.

 

N4 - I was AFK on the later part of D4 so I missed that AbT had cancelled his intention of reloading Samus. I got the clarification that I can even redirect the kill of a PGO so if Samus was one, AbT will still live. If Samus is not PGO, I can screw up possible scum plan of framing Samus by killing AbT as well. Turns out AbT didnt use his reload action that night and scum didnt target him either. Rhizo I think targeted AbT that night but was blocked by Yehom, so I lived again.

 

N5 - I urged doctor on D5 to definitely protect Yehom as I still believed then that doctor exists. Thinking Yehom got his back covered, I targeted AbT thinking he might be the second choice and scum might take him up believing that Yehom will be protected by doctor. Turns out to be a wrong decision on my part.

 

Well thats it from me. Hopefully y'all will keep a close eye on those on my suspects list.

[Sister Midnight]

Based on how things have been playing out I seriously doubt there is a ww/cop, ww/Doctor, etc. in the set up. Much more likely is specific powers, with no duality. I am still withholding my vote, but I cannot imagine why LS, who is back and posting elsewhere on this board has made all of one post today and said post was all about pointing fingers. Lach is not particularly convincing and LS’s post and his silence are not boding well.

I suspect Yehom did jail me last night, because we haven’t come across a viable roleblocker candidate, yet. If he did lock me up I thank him, but wonder why he did so. Incidentally, that should confirm me as a townie, Samus and LS, as there was a kill last night and if Samus is being honest about targeting me, then scum did the kill.

[brewersalliance]

@kevin, if the body guard protected someone who triggered the PGO's ability, would the bodyguard stop the PGO kill?

[KevinH]

[Leia notices a hooded figure walking inside the Resistance base on Crait; he takes off his hood to reveal himself as Luke]
Leia: Luke. [he sits down next to her. He hesitates to speak] I know what you're gonna say. I changed my hair.
Luke: It's nice that way. Leia? I'm sorry.
Leia: I know; I know you are. I'm just glad you're here at the end.
Luke: I come to face him, Leia; and I can't save him.
Leia: I held out hope for so long...but I know my son is gone.
Luke: No one's ever really gone.
[The two grab their hands together; Luke stands up and gives a kiss on Leia's head before turning to C-3PO]
C-3PO: Master Luke.
[Luke gives C-3PO a wink before he faces Ren]

"if the body guard protected someone who triggered the PGO's ability, would the bodyguard stop the PGO kill?"
The bodyguard would die but the protected someone would live. See Bodyguard.
 
Vote count:

Lachiton (4): The Warrior, Kitkat16, Samus, Brewersalliance,
LordSunday (2): Lachiton, Canik,
Brewersalliance (0):  
Kitkat16 (0):
Sister Midnight (0):
Samus (0):
The Warrior (0): 
Canik (0):
Jazzy95 (0): 
Ali bin Turban (0):

No Lynch (0): 

Not voting:  LordSunday, Sister Midnight, Jazzy95, Ali bin Turban,  

 
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Thursday, March 29, at 08:00 EDT.

[brewersalliance]

The bodyguard would die but the protected someone would live. See Bodyguard.

 

well the link kevin provided does not state that explicitly, so Lach would have been taking a huge risk if kevin did not tell him that like he said.  I am now pretty sure Lach is telling the truth 

 

unvote

 

with lach being a bg, i doubt there is a doctor (which has been the consensus to this point), as they could just target each other and make a broken loop. (i havent played much mafia, but in ToS that was something id see done and it would be annoying AF and arguably unbalanced), so I do tend to believe Lachiton now

 

vote  LS

 

someone has to die and he is now suspect numero uno

[Kitkat16]

I find Lach dodgy as hell, but I stick by what I said earlier that I would prefer to lynch LS first.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: LS

[Samus]

if 2 players both have the same vote count at deadline, are they both lynched or neither, Kevin?

[Jazzy95]

if 2 players both have the same vote count at deadline, are they both lynched or neither, Kevin?

 

"At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched; the first player to reach the most votes over half-majority will be lynched in the event of a tie."

[Lord MK]

"At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched; the first player to reach the most votes over half-majority will be lynched in the event of a tie."

There needs to be a clarification needed on this.

The first player to reach the most votes over half majority will be lynched
.. the most votes over half majority, that is, more than the half majority mark.

In effect, it doesn't says what happens at half majority mark, that is, if the tied players are exactly on the halfway point.

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Death has made me more analytical.
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[brewersalliance]

if 2 players both have the same vote count at deadline, are they both lynched or neither, Kevin?

with kitkat voting for LS, i think that puts him to 4 and lach at three tho