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[Jazzy95]

1. I don't understand why Lach didn't fully RC and reveal when he claimed AbT was guilty. Like 70% of that initial post was about how he stuck his neck out and was probably going to die tonight, and then felt the need to be skittish which led to an unnecessary RC by Atliis.
2. I also don't understand Atliis' vote on Rafay. Atliis claimed he knew Rafay wasn't jailor. As a cop the only thing he could know is guilty/ not guilty (correct me if I'm wrong), and even then he never claimed to have visited Rafay. He came out of nowhere to call Rafay a liar and voted for him, and he seems to be doing the same thing to Lach to less success.

 

I want to vote but I'm really on the fence, and maybe (tin foil hat time) that's the point. MK as scum took heat all day, knowing most players like to run out the clock rather than early lynch, giving Lach an opportunity for a last minute distraction to split the vote. Not to mention, if AbT, MK, and Lach are a team, they now know which innocent to leave alone since SBG has claimed nympho.

[Canik]

I don't understand why Lach didn't fully RC and reveal when he claimed AbT was guilty. Like 70% of that initial post was about how he stuck his neck out and was probably going to die tonight, and then felt the need to be skittish which led to an unnecessary RC by Atliis.

Don't question Lach's innocence! There's absolutely no way he's scum! It's scummy to even think about it! Don't think about it!

[/sarcasm]

I also don't understand Atliis' vote on Rafay. Atliis claimed he knew Rafay wasn't jailor. As a cop the only thing he could know is guilty/ not guilty (correct me if I'm wrong), and even then he never claimed to have visited Rafay. He came out of nowhere to call Rafay a liar and voted for him, and he seems to be doing the same thing to Lach to less success.

Good catch there, Jazzy! Very interested to hear Atliis explain this.

[KevinH]

Tl;DR
I'm nympho, attached to AbT, keeping my vote on AbT

 

This puts SeaBeeGipson in the 100% townie category for me.
The extra townie vote is good reason to let AbT live a little bit longer when there is an alternative.

[Kitkat16]

 

I don't understand why Lach didn't fully RC and reveal when he claimed AbT was guilty. Like 70% of that initial post was about how he stuck his neck out and was probably going to die tonight, and then felt the need to be skittish which led to an unnecessary RC by Atliis.

Don't question Lach's innocence! There's absolutely no way he's scum! It's scummy to even think about it! Don't think about it!

[/sarcasm]

 

I also don't understand Atliis' vote on Rafay. Atliis claimed he knew Rafay wasn't jailor. As a cop the only thing he could know is guilty/ not guilty (correct me if I'm wrong), and even then he never claimed to have visited Rafay. He came out of nowhere to call Rafay a liar and voted for him, and he seems to be doing the same thing to Lach to less success.

Good catch there, Jazzy! Very interested to hear Atliis explain this.

 

 

.... This is indeed a very good point.

[Ali bin Turban]

Since you're so determined to rush the lynch of 2 townies at the very end of the day, I'm Charizard, a town 1-Shot Fireblast-er (Vigilante). I don't expect to see any Vig coming out and counterclaiming, so my RC's true.

 

I was hoping to avoid RCing today, so I can at least take a scum with me tonight, but now when mafia knows my role this chance is lost.

Oh and:

 

vote MK

 

because I know I'm a town and I'd rather lynch scum than a town

[Lord MK]

Vote: AbT.

I ain't dying today.
This is in every sense, you voted me and you are scum, type of vote.
So don't go there.


Vote count, please.

[Mandarijn]

He needs 1 more... So you're not safe.

 

 

 

I don't understand why Lach didn't fully RC and reveal when he claimed AbT was guilty. Like 70% of that initial post was about how he stuck his neck out and was probably going to die tonight, and then felt the need to be skittish which led to an unnecessary RC by Atliis.

Don't question Lach's innocence! There's absolutely no way he's scum! It's scummy to even think about it! Don't think about it!

[/sarcasm]

 

I also don't understand Atliis' vote on Rafay. Atliis claimed he knew Rafay wasn't jailor. As a cop the only thing he could know is guilty/ not guilty (correct me if I'm wrong), and even then he never claimed to have visited Rafay. He came out of nowhere to call Rafay a liar and voted for him, and he seems to be doing the same thing to Lach to less success.

Good catch there, Jazzy! Very interested to hear Atliis explain this.

 

 

.... This is indeed a very good point.

 

No it isn't, atliis confirmed brewers and brewers said the jailor thingie, so atliis was just backing brewers because he knows he's town...

 

@brewers: Are you also a JOAT or not?

 

My thoughts:

 

Confirmed town:

brewers

atliis

DarkFox

SBG

Lachiton

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Mandarijn 

 

Prime suspects at this moment:

Ali - found guilty, but most had a townvibe before that (framer?), claimed Vig --> about to be lynched

MK - claimed JOAT with an inconsistent story, most likely scum --> was getting lynched, untill yesterday

 

I rather keep Ali (and SBG) alive today to see if Ali can kill someone tonight (but who? ), or Mafia tries to stop that kill and they kill Ali instead meaning our other PR's stay alive...

 

Vote: MK

He's on my radar since the end of D2 and if he happens to be town he did a very poor job defending himself.

 

The rest: There's 2-4 scum in this list (depending on the actual results of Ali and MK, although I doubt both are scum...)

Medved - hasn't done/said much, probably scum. Seeing he hasn't voted much, but now voted for Ali makes me believe Ali got framed

Jazzy - awfully quiet (risk of mod kill?), hasn't voted on anyone all game (he's the only one not on a wagon at this moment), could very well be scum

Rhizo - probably town

Yehom - leaning town, but meh

KevinH - 

KitKat - 

Canik - 

[Mandarijn]

Unofficially:

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Ali bin Turban (7): SBG, Rhizo, Brewers, Medved, Yehom, Canik v.2, MK

Lord MK (6): Darkfox, KevinH, Lachiton, KitKat, Ali, Mandarijn

Lachiton (1): Atliis

Brewersalliance (0):

Atliis (0): 

Canik v.2 (Samus) (0):

Colonel Medved (0):

Darkfox (0):

Jazzy95 (0):

KevinH (0):

Kitkat16 (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

Yehom (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

 

Not Voting: Jazzy95

 

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We'll have plenty to discuss tomorrow either way.

If MK gets lynched and turns up scum, we can look at who pushed Ali's wagon. If he turns up town, we can look at who pushed his wagon. And the same applies for Ali... (although we also lose SBG, so we might be down 3 town tomorrow with the Ali wagon)

[Lord MK]

Even Sbg voted for AbT, even though he stands to die if AbT does.
So there must be something good for SeaBee to do that...
According to most mafia mod guides, there can be more than one of the same role in the same game at the same time. (That is, backups not included)

[Mandarijn]

Even Sbg voted for AbT, even though he stands to die if AbT does.
So there must be something good for SeaBee to do that...
According to most mafia mod guides, there can be more than one of the same role in the same game at the same time. (That is, backups not included)

Why don’t you explain us why you claim you investigated Rafay on N2 because he claimed jailor, while he didn’t do this untill D3?

@TW; What about an extension of the deadline by 2 days? Because you know the forum problems.

[Mandarijn]

Oh and also why you didn’t defend Rafay (a confirmed townie in your eyes) with a RC or something?

[Ali bin Turban]

Basing on Mandarijn's unoficial count

Ali bin Turban (7): SBG, Rhizo, Brewers, Medved, Yehom, Canik v.2, MK

Lord MK (6): Darkfox, KevinH, Lachiton, KitKat, Ali, Mandarijn

Lachiton (1): Atliis

Not Voting: Jazzy95

 

If MK's is a scum then obviously there's a heavy load of his buddies on my wagon. MK's was a lost cause but with the solid evidence of Lachiton there's an ideal excuse to save him for at least one more day. To summarize my feelings about the situation.

 

Town list:

- ABT - I'm a Vig (this is a town role). I don't expect anyone to counterclaim that.

- Atliis - Cop, noone has challenged him. He's new player so I believe his confirmation of brewers finding (about Rafay RC) comes from the assumption that Brewers (guy who he found not guilty) would not lie (which is obvious - town folks shouldn't lie).

- Darkfox - Cop confirmed

- Brewers - Cop confirmed

- Lachiton - I believe his RC is true (and his previous actions speak for it) and he was not challenged.

- SBG - town's nympho

 

Possible Town list:

- KevinH: Playing like town. If MK's scum he'll be confirmed

- Mandarijn: If both MK's and Mandarijn were scum it would be terrible move for him to jump on my wagon (as it now takes one town switching the wagons to lynch scum).

- Kitkat: just as Mandarijn (not as strong but similar).

 

Somewhat Town:

- Jazzy: He wasn't posting to much, but with his question about Atliis he proves he's analizing information and looking for a scum. While it's not enough for an experienced player, for a new one it's something.

 

The rest are: Medved, Yehom, Canik, Rhizo and assuming MK's a scum there has to be 2-3 scum in this grouping (and I'm certain that in that case Medved will be one).

 

If somehow MK's not scum, then we have a big problem.

[Lachiton]

So MK suddenly came out from being dead 

[Kitkat16]

"I highly doubt that he would go through the trouble of fabricating this story just to get Ali lynched. He would be trading his life (assuming Ali gets lynched first) for Ali's and I don't see scum thinking that that's a play worthwhile. " -Yehom

Well, he wants MK lynched first. Plus Ali has a lover so really it'd be his life for Ali, MK, SBG. Just sayin', for the record and what-not.

"(Is it even possible according to the rules to have two of the same PR??)" - Kitkat

Yes it's possible. Unusual, but possible. If there were going to be multiple of the same role too, JOAT is one that is more likely. Since it's not super strong. So.. kinda hard to read real deep into it.

 

 

Ah. Well it might be less convincing than I thought, but we've gotta pick one or the other, and it's something. MK's story *has* been pretty inconsistent. And there are some advantages to MK over AbT in that (a) the investigative PRs can check AbT (the framer could frame him again, but it would clearly rule out the possibility of Lach lying or being a paranoid cop or something, not that I think that's very likely -- can JOATs even be paranoid??) and ( we know that AbT attaches an extra townie vote. 

[Lachiton]

Since you're so determined to rush the lynch of 2 townies at the very end of the day, I'm Charizard, a town 1-Shot Fireblast-er (Vigilante). I don't expect to see any Vig coming out and counterclaiming, so my RC's true.

This is an interesting claim. If there's a vig then he is 100% town.

So here it is, the two people who are in line for lynch

MK - claimed JOAT, same role as mine, but with slightly different combo (we both had cop powers if we assume he is telling the truth). Claimed to have used up his best two powers on Rafay (ok?), knew Rafay was town when he was about to be lynched but still didnt RC to stop the mislynch of a confirmed town(really?). I have my reasons to delay the finding of AbT, I waned to make use of my doctor ability and I am glad I did. What excuse does MK has? It was the perfect opportunity to RC to stop Rafay's lynch and lure scum to hit him and wasting the kill with his bulletproof ability. This is the biggest red flag, I for one cant believe a town will play the way he did. And this is in addition to his otherwise erratic and inconsistent gameplay.

 

AbT - Found guilty by me. May or may not have been framed. If we take away my investigation, he has not particularly acted scummy though not super townie either. Also he has not been taking charge of scum hunting the way he did last game so that appeared a it scummy to me. Now everyone will talk about his cupid/lover confusion which he made public instead of resolving it with TW privately. Well that was odd, but I still feel it was an honest mistake. TW (or any mod) reveals the night results to everyone just before he opens up the day phase so it would have been risky proposition for AbT to bring attention on to himself without discussing it with his scum buddies. If anyone noticed I was the one defending him on that day. I still went ahead with my investigation as I felt we need concrete proof whether he is town or not, or we risk split votes again the next day. I didnt take into account for a possibility of a framer and if there was a framer it was the perfect night to strike AbT. Well he still was found guilty so I cant clear him, framer or not, but still there's room for more discussion, especially now as he claimed vig and that has to be 100% town PR (if you have doubts then you're not paying attention )

 

 

So with all things considered, my vote for today still stands on MK. 

[DarkFox]

MK did you preform an action last night?

If so, what was it?

[Lord MK]

Actually, i don't have any actions left.
So there is that.

[brewersalliance]

MK is lying again. He said he still had his bullet proof action left. That was a main point of his argument from before....

I'm about to switch my vote back to MK
He claimed he was waiting scum to attack him tonight cause he was going to be unkillable

So many lies... Can't keep em all straight lol

[DarkFox]

Actually, i don't have any actions left. So there is that.

 

 

I can confirm this. Well, if you are so interested in my RC, i don't have a true role. It's just a mix of various X-Shots. Day 1, i tracked Rafay, who is by default the number one choice for me. That paid off as he visited Kevin. And seeing that Kevin didn't die. I thought that rafay must have been roleblocked. So I had a cop report done on Rafay, which confirmed that he was town. I also have a 1-shot bulletproof ability, so that's why I said no one can touch me tonight. Happy? And thank you for spoiling the purpose of my remaining role. I was trying to lure any scum into targeting me in order to make them lose one more Night kill. But that ain't happening now.

 

 

MK is lying again. He said he still had his bullet proof action left. That was a main point of his argument from before.... I'm about to switch my vote back to MK He claimed he was waiting scum to attack him tonight cause he was going to be unkillable So many lies... Can't keep em all straight lol

 

 

hmmm 

[brewersalliance]

I don't wanna take the hit if he's a super saint. Seabee should. So then we would kill both MK and ABT at once lol