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[atliis]

Is there anyone else you would like to point fingers at? It sounds like you are getting desperate.

Nothing convenient for me. I waited because MK claimed JOAT which made my suspicions of him stronger, thats why I felt he should be the lynch for today. I planned on revealing in the middle of the day but I lost track of the deadline, thats why it was unintentionally late. 
Brewers, its very hypocritical of you to accuse me of not fully claiming when I presented a info, when you did exactly the same in case of Rafay.

[Lachiton]

Is there anyone else you would like to point fingers at? It sounds like you are getting desperate.
 

Nothing convenient for me. I waited because MK claimed JOAT which made my suspicions of him stronger, thats why I felt he should be the lynch for today. I planned on revealing in the middle of the day but I lost track of the deadline, thats why it was unintentionally late. 
Brewers, its very hypocritical of you to accuse me of not fully claiming when I presented a info, when you did exactly the same in case of Rafay.

 

Yeah desperate out of nowhere. God if you're actually cop and town think for a second why in the hell will I ever present a fabricated story if by all accounts I was considered town by others. You would think I would shoot myself in the foot? You guys didnt even allow the accused AbT to stand trial and present his defense, especially brewers and you are defending with absolutely no proof of your own.

I mean seriously if you had to accuse me and raised doubts of my timing, at least do it after AbT defends himself. But guess what, with absolutely no proof of your own, you're ready to refute my cop investigation on someone. Step back and think about this whole thing for a second. 

[brewersalliance]

i am not defending ABT.  i am questioning your claim.  and because of your timing, there is a chance ABT wont be able to defend himself.    i am currently debating on who's mislynch, lachition or abt's, would hurt the town the most.  

 

if we lynch lahciton, and he flips town:  we know his investigation was true and ABT is scum.  either a town vigi can kill him at night or we can lynch him

results A)-town loses a 1 shot roleblocker and the nimpho, who is virtually a VT.  Scum loses ABT

results B )town loses a 1 shot roleblocker and the nimpho, and town loses whatever ABT is because of the framer

 

if we lynch ABT and he flips town:  we know Lachiton was probably lying (but could still be telling the truth if there is a framer). town then kills lachiton

result A) town loses whatever ABT is, the nimpho and scum lachiton

result B )town loses whatever ABT is, the nimpho and town lachiton because there was a framer

 

so a miss-lynch of either lachiton or ABT will pretty much provide the exact same net effect on the town.  

I mean seriously if you had to accuse me and raised doubts of my timing, at least do it after AbT defends himself. But guess what, with absolutely no proof of your own, you're ready to refute my cop investigation on someone. Step back and think about this whole thing for a second. 

 

 

so I should just not post anything, and leave your claims to go unchecked and just cross my fingers and hope ABT comes on and posts?  

we have less than 24 hours to discuss this.  I am not going to wait and hold my concerns about something in because ABT hasnt posted yet.  i am not saying my concerns are what is happening.  I am saying they are a possibility.  and if i did what you are suggesting, which is wait until ABT posts, there is a chance my concerns would either not be brought to light, or they would be posted to late, where there can be zero discussion about them.  i am sorry that I am questioning your claim, but I am not going to just sit here and keep quiet because i dont have investigation results or any "proof".  i am raising what I feel to be legitimate concerns.   

also, when did I refute your investigation?  all I have been doing is attacking the timing of it and saying there is a chance it might not be true.  I did not at any point refute your investigation. I am bringing up real concerns about what you did and your timing, and the only thing you are doing is getting extremely defensive about it.  

 

odds are your investigation is probably true, but there is a chance it is a lie, and we have to explore that possibility 

[Lachiton]

i am not defending ABT.  i am questioning your claim.  and because of your timing, there is a chance ABT wont be able to defend himself.    i am currently debating on who's mislynch, lachition or abt's, would hurt the town the most.  

 

I made it pretty clear that I didnt want AbT to be the lynch for today, as I still feel MK is scum or jester and needs to be lynched to get him out of the way as he will continue to distract town. I am also questioning the timing of atlis RCing, who jumped out of nowhere to counter claim when I have not claimed anything. I really dont like this game play. If you're town you need to consider possibilities before you reveal everything here. People forget that scum also can see what you post here and you just make it easier for them to choose their targets at night. Seriously he could have questioned my claim and raised his doubts, but no he has to counter claim out of nowhere. The cop claim seriously pissed me off. I dont think I am to blame here for this debacle as there are lots of ways you can question someone, especially if he has not claimed any role yet.

[KevinH]

I am Ditto, a town Transform-er (Jack-of-All-Trades). I have 1 shot cop, doctor and roleblocker.

 
I think it's clever that Ditto would be the Jack-Of-All-Trades.

I think The Warrior is clever and so I tend to believe this.

[brewersalliance]

 

i am not defending ABT.  i am questioning your claim.  and because of your timing, there is a chance ABT wont be able to defend himself.    i am currently debating on who's mislynch, lachition or abt's, would hurt the town the most.  

 

I made it pretty clear that I didnt want AbT to be the lynch for today, as I still feel MK is scum or jester and needs to be lynched to get him out of the way as he will continue to distract town. I am also questioning the timing of atlis RCing, who jumped out of nowhere to counter claim when I have not claimed anything. I really dont like this game play. If you're town you need to consider possibilities before you reveal everything here. People forget that scum also can see what you post here and you just make it easier for them to choose their targets at night. Seriously he could have questioned my claim and raised his doubts, but no he has to counter claim out of nowhere. The cop claim seriously pissed me off. I dont think I am to blame here for this debacle as there are lots of ways you can question someone, especially if he has not claimed any role yet.

 

he is a new player and his claim is probably true.  he has said he had a PR multiple times.  if he was scum he would have no reason to counter claim cop, since odds would be then that you are telling the truth.  

 

one thing that bothers me here is you are the focus of a few posts recently.  as a kid growing up, i remember quite well being caught by my parents in a few lies.  and to try to get out of it I would start to talk about my siblings and shit the focus off me and onto them.  it would always end in me getting yelled at for that.  your post here feels exactly like that.  you are starting to take some heat, so you are now trying to shift focus off you and onto atliis.  thats the vibe i got from that last post there. 

 

I am Ditto, a town Transform-er (Jack-of-All-Trades). I have 1 shot cop, doctor and roleblocker.

 
I think it's clever that Ditto would be the Jack-Of-All-Trades.

I think The Warrior is clever and so I tend to believe this.

 

if I had to make up a pokemon that could be multiple roles at once, the first one that would come to mind is Ditto, a pokemon who can transform into multiple things.  if there is a JOAT, it is probably ditto.  now if said ditto is lachiton or MK or absolutely no one, that is currently unknown and only speculation at the moment.  so him saying he is ditto does not mean much to me in terms of his honesty.  

 

Other than the name do you have any other thoughts about this topic? lol

[Lachiton]

so I should just not post anything, and leave your claims to go unchecked and just cross my fingers and hope ABT comes on and posts?   we have less than 24 hours to discuss this.  I am not going to wait and hold my concerns about something in because ABT hasnt posted yet.  i am not saying my concerns are what is happening.  I am saying they are a possibility.  and if i did what you are suggesting, which is wait until ABT posts, there is a chance my concerns would either not be brought to light, or they would be posted to late, where there can be zero discussion about them.  i am sorry that I am questioning your claim, but I am not going to just sit here and keep quiet because i dont have investigation results or any "proof".  i am raising what I feel to be legitimate concerns.    also, when did I refute your investigation?  all I have been doing is attacking the timing of it and saying there is a chance it might not be true.  I did not at any point refute your investigation. I am bringing up real concerns about what you did and your timing, and the only thing you are doing is getting extremely defensive about it.     odds are your investigation is probably true, but there is a chance it is a lie, and we have to explore that possibility 

For me MK was the definite lynch for today. His stories had serious flaws and he claimed a variation of JOAT which I feel is a lie. I just wanted to reveal the info for next lynch, as I may not survive the night as I looked too town for my own good. There was no kill last night and I saved you, so if you're town and targeted I stoped the kill. Thats why I didnt reveal last day itself but gave enough time for AbT to claim miller. Also if you have noticed I was focussing on AbT at the start of the day before MK started posting some weird stories. 

[brewersalliance]

If I was the target thank you for saving me.  Though it does not mean for certain that you saved me, but if you did thanks!  I am going to go back and read the start of the day to see if that is true. 

 

but just to be clear, the entire day 3 you knew ABT was scum, but decided not to mention it, and therefor risked if you were killed n3, the information would have died with you.  is that correct? 

 

 

OOC:  I am beyond bored at work, so please keep posting things so I have something to do to entertain myself.  our forums are legit the only site thats pretty much not blocked haha 

[Canik]

if we lynch lahciton, and he flips town:  we know his investigation was true and ABT is scum.  either a town vigi can kill him at night or we can lynch him

 

results A)-town loses a 1 shot roleblocker and the nimpho, who is virtually a VT.  Scum loses ABT

 

results B )town loses a 1 shot roleblocker and the nimpho, and town loses whatever ABT is because of the framer

 

 

 

if we lynch ABT and he flips town:  we know Lachiton was probably lying (but could still be telling the truth if there is a framer). town then kills lachiton

 

result A) town loses whatever ABT is, the nimpho and scum lachiton

 

result B )town loses whatever ABT is, the nimpho and town lachiton because there was a framer

 

 

 

so a miss-lynch of either lachiton or ABT will pretty much provide the exact same net effect on the town. 

Hate to say it because I've leaned towards Lach being town all game and while I am less sure now I still lean slightly towards him telling the truth.. but wouldn't it be better to lynch him first since he definitely isn't connected to a lover? He he comes up scum, that makes AbT probably town and we can avoid lynching him and his lover.

Hmm.. I guess AbT & Lover do have a very high chance of dying at some point anyway tho. AbT not posting doesn't help motivate me to vote him over Lach either.. man it's a tough call.

I DEFINITELY do think that we should one of them tho, MK can wait. 
 

[brewersalliance]

 

Hate to say it because I've leaned towards Lach being town all game and while I am less sure now I still lean slightly towards him telling the truth.. but wouldn't it be better to lynch him first since he definitely isn't connected to a lover? He he comes up scum, that makes AbT probably town and we can avoid lynching him and his lover.

Hmm.. I guess AbT & Lover do have a very high chance of dying at some point anyway tho. AbT not posting doesn't help motivate me to vote him over Lach either.. man it's a tough call.

I DEFINITELY do think that we should one of them tho, MK can wait. 
 

 

true on a positive lynch, lynching Lachiton would result in just one scum dead, while lynching ABT would result in a scum and town killed.  

 

so a miss lynch seems to have virtually the same result either way, and a positive lynch has less of a downside if we lynch lachiton and he flips scum.

 

with that being said, at the moment all we have to go on is lachiton's word and actions in the game v ABT's comments about being a lover two days ago.  it would be nice if ABT could chime in so we could at least have more to go on to make this choice 

vote:  MsShawdi

 

for lurking this entire time and not posting.  she is secretly in the game and is totally scum.  

[Lachiton]

one thing that bothers me here is you are the focus of a few posts recently.  as a kid growing up, i remember quite well being caught by my parents in a few lies.  and to try to get out of it I would start to talk about my siblings and shit the focus off me and onto them.  it would always end in me getting yelled at for that.  your post here feels exactly like that.  you are starting to take some heat, so you are now trying to shift focus off you and onto atliis.  thats the vibe i got from that last post there. 

Lol no. I didnt expect the cop to come out just like that, when I haven't even claimed cop. Actually I had claimed nothing, just shared an info which is based off cop powers but there are some roles where cop power is mixed up with others. So without clarifying anything, he decided it was smart to claim cop which took me by surprise. No way anyone, especially a cop should claim for such frivolous reasons, more so if you dont know that the person I am accusing is town or not.

 

If I was the target thank you for saving me.  Though it does not mean for certain that you saved me, but if you did thanks!  I am going to go back and read the start of the day to see if that is true. 

 

but just to be clear, the entire day 3 you knew ABT was scum, but decided not to mention it, and therefor risked if you were killed n3, the information would have died with you.  is that correct? 

 

Yes and for valid reasons. I took a gamble and thought that you were town and possible target with the way everything went down that day. I am glad I took the risk and would like to believe I stopped a kill, though it may not be the case. That is why I said it firsthand today when MK was trying to get a lynch on you that you're probably town.

 

 

 

Hate to say it because I've leaned towards Lach being town all game and while I am less sure now I still lean slightly towards him telling the truth.. but wouldn't it be better to lynch him first since he definitely isn't connected to a lover? He he comes up scum, that makes AbT probably town and we can avoid lynching him and his lover.

Hmm.. I guess AbT & Lover do have a very high chance of dying at some point anyway tho. AbT not posting doesn't help motivate me to vote him over Lach either.. man it's a tough call.

I DEFINITELY do think that we should one of them tho, MK can wait. 
 

 

 

So you are willing to lynch someone who you think is town before I revealed about AbT, believed me even after the reveal but now going onboard with brewers "sure way to make town lose" strategy? Hmm you just made the list for possible scums for me with that post.

 

Seriously, worst case scenario AbT is town then he has to be miller or he was framed. If he was telling truth about nympho, then he and another VT dies. AbT has not been his self this game at all, so I am more inclined to think that he is scum. I on the other hand, am still a 1-shot roleblocker at this point. I got good results with my powers - outed AbT and possibly saved a kill. If we have a reloader than I can prove to be even more dangerous to scum. So I was 100% sure I was getting killed if I role claim, but with cop outing himself he might be the target now. If there's a reloader, I think you should load me up this night. If I dont get killed I can double up as a cop and possibly find another scum.

 

@TW will you follow the same rule where the reloader and his target can use their roles on the same night, just like Kevin's game? 

[Rhizoctonia]

I really don't get how people aren't believing Lach.  His JOAT makes more sense then MK's claim, which used information we already knew, and would not surprise me there's a Joat in this game.  

 

 

AbT doesn't even need to post, you'll are back to using the fear of losing a town as a reason not to vote.  I'll repeat, if he's scum you're going to have to eventually anyway. 

I don't understand town..... I really do not.  Now throwing up idea lynching Lach, dumbest thing I've heard all day.  

[brewersalliance]

I really don't get how people aren't believing Lach.  His JOAT makes more sense then MK's claim, which used information we already knew, and would not surprise me there's a Joat in this game.  

 

 

AbT doesn't even need to post, you'll are back to using the fear of losing a town as a reason not to vote.  I'll repeat, if he's scum you're going to have to eventually anyway. 

I don't understand town..... I really do not.  Now throwing up idea lynching Lach, dumbest thing I've heard all day.  

I agree that Lachiton's claim makes more sense than MK, and the lover thing should in no way be the determining factor on who gets lynched. if lynching lachiton would have provided a greater net than lynching ABT (without considering peoples in game actions) then it would make sense in a way to consider lachiton as a lynch.  but since the net gain is virtually identical, we have to go on what they are saying and doing in the game.  

 

Sure lachiton's timing still bothers me, but he says that he thought deadline was later.  if thats the truth then I tend to believe it.  and when you compare lachiton's actions from d1 to now and abt's from d1 toi now Lachiton does seem more believable.    im still waiting to place my vote, but its most likely going to go on ABT

plus lachiton has stuck to his exact same story the entire time I have been questioning him on it, and has not really given any inconsistencies, (unlike MK all day long)  so in my eyes that bodes well for him telling the truth.

[Rhizoctonia]

 

I really don't get how people aren't believing Lach.  His JOAT makes more sense then MK's claim, which used information we already knew, and would not surprise me there's a Joat in this game.  

 

 

AbT doesn't even need to post, you'll are back to using the fear of losing a town as a reason not to vote.  I'll repeat, if he's scum you're going to have to eventually anyway. 

I don't understand town..... I really do not.  Now throwing up idea lynching Lach, dumbest thing I've heard all day.  

I agree that Lachiton's claim makes more sense than MK, and the lover thing should in no way be the determining factor on who gets lynched. if lynching lachiton would have provided a greater net than lynching ABT (without considering peoples in game actions) then it would make sense in a way to consider lachiton as a lynch.  but since the net gain is virtually identical, we have to go on what they are saying and doing in the game.  

 

Sure lachiton's timing still bothers me, but he says that he thought deadline was later.  if thats the truth then I tend to believe it.  and when you compare lachiton's actions from d1 to now and abt's from d1 toi now Lachiton does seem more believable.    im still waiting to place my vote, but its most likely going to go on ABT

plus lachiton has stuck to his exact same story the entire time I have been questioning him on it, and has not really given any inconsistencies, (unlike MK all day long)  so in my eyes that bodes well for him telling the truth.

 

 

 

The only thing that bothers me, is AbT would of been a good target for a frame the night he got investigated.  Only thing that worries me

[KevinH]

My revised list if we assume both Lachiton and Atliis are telling the truth:
 
"Leaning scum / worthy of a lynch":

• Lord MK - Ragequit or scum? Sort of claimed jack-of-all-trades, Inconsistent posts 
• Ali bin Turban - cupid/lover confusion, confirmed scum by Lachiton
• Jazzy95 - Only 12 posts the entire game

"The Middle"

• Canik v.2 (Samus) 
• Colonel Medved
• Kitkat16
• Mandarijn
• Rhizoctonia
• SeaBeeGipson
• Yehom

"Leaning town"

• Brewersalliance - Correctly called out Rafay on false claim, confirmed town by Atliis
• Atliis - Claims cop
• Lachiton - Claims jack-of-all-trades
• Darkfox - confirmed town by Atliis

Anyone could be lying/framed, but Lord MK's inconsistent posts are the most "unexplainable".
I'm leaving my vote there.

[Lachiton]

 

 

I really don't get how people aren't believing Lach.  His JOAT makes more sense then MK's claim, which used information we already knew, and would not surprise me there's a Joat in this game.  

 

 

AbT doesn't even need to post, you'll are back to using the fear of losing a town as a reason not to vote.  I'll repeat, if he's scum you're going to have to eventually anyway. 

I don't understand town..... I really do not.  Now throwing up idea lynching Lach, dumbest thing I've heard all day.  

I agree that Lachiton's claim makes more sense than MK, and the lover thing should in no way be the determining factor on who gets lynched. if lynching lachiton would have provided a greater net than lynching ABT (without considering peoples in game actions) then it would make sense in a way to consider lachiton as a lynch.  but since the net gain is virtually identical, we have to go on what they are saying and doing in the game.  

 

Sure lachiton's timing still bothers me, but he says that he thought deadline was later.  if thats the truth then I tend to believe it.  and when you compare lachiton's actions from d1 to now and abt's from d1 toi now Lachiton does seem more believable.    im still waiting to place my vote, but its most likely going to go on ABT

plus lachiton has stuck to his exact same story the entire time I have been questioning him on it, and has not really given any inconsistencies, (unlike MK all day long)  so in my eyes that bodes well for him telling the truth.

 

 

 

The only thing that bothers me, is AbT would of been a good target for a frame the night he got investigated.  Only thing that worries me

 

AbT is currently reading through the thread so I expect him to post his defense soon. Lets see what he has to say.

[Ali bin Turban]

I'm here, reading the posts now.

 

Lachiton, it's really bad you throw your info just before the deadline. Anyway I don't doubt your RC, it would be stupid to fake it. There's no paranoid cop in the possible roles list and I'm not a Miller, so it means I was hit by a framer.

 

Now assuming, I'm a town and there's a framer around: After D2 when I'm sharing my info about becoming lover, mafia gets 2 things to do. They either target me for a kill hoping to get more dead bodies in one shot, or they frame me, hoping I'll be investigated (since people are unsure of me). Killing was risky business since being obvious target I might be protected. On the other hand on N3 I was the best target for the framer (probably the highest chance to get investigated).

 

I'll add more soon...

[Lachiton]

Lachiton, it's really bad you throw your info just before the deadline. Anyway I don't doubt your RC, it would be stupid to fake it. There's no paranoid cop in the possible roles list and I'm not a Miller, so it means I was hit by a framer.

 Well not my exact intention as I was thinking of revealing it in the middle of the day, but I forgot when was the deadline. Still I didnt want to start a lynch wagon on you. MK and his inconsistent stories hogged much of the day and I still feel he is the lynch for today. I just dont buy him as a JOAT, and someone who would waste his best two powers on Rafay and in the end still let him get lynched. What sort of townie does that? And conveniently his last power is bulletproof. 
Even though people suspected you on d2, I was the one who kind believed you were telling the truth. So I investigated you that night, half hoping that I can get you cleared and I can defend you with more conviction. But you turned out guilty. I still thought of the possibility of you being miller that is why I was trying for miller to come forward. But nobody did. 
 

To be fair I didnt know about Framer role so that thought didnt cross my mind until today. But just so you now it is still a convenient claim from you so unless you present more of your story, you're still in scum category.

[Ali bin Turban]

You're now thinking what to do with your vote today.

 

1. Looking at me. I got investigated and turned out guilty. Due to the framer possibility (and taking D2 events into possibility it was more possible than just a blind luck) you cannot be sure of that result. The other thing that speak against me is my cupid mistake. Obviously noone except me knows that I'm a town, but you know there is nonzero possibility I actually might be a town. So, apart from that, looking at my play, do you have other arguments that would speak against me?

I don't want to play the "if I die, other town dies with me" card...I'll leave it to that possible other town to come out and tell it. Only thing I'm afraid now is how little time we got left today.

 

2. On the other hand we have MK. I won't repeat all the charges we've been making. Can you assume he's town and explain his actions in a reasonable fashion? Do you believe him to be town?

 

You need to ask yourself 2 questions:

- Do you believe MK is a scum and if there's anything else that can be added to his case. Do you need more time to work on his case?

- Do you believe ABT is a scum and if there's anything else that can be added to his case. Do you need more time to work on his case? I certainly would like to get more time to defend myself and in the end if you don't find my defense believable you'll lynch me next day.

[Lachiton]

Vote : Lord MK

 

I dont believe an iota of what he said and he definitely should be lynched today. We can have more time to discuss on AbT later.