Timeline for this game.

 

Day 4 - Lynch me.

Night 4 - i beg the mafia to please strongman kill Brewers.

Day 5 - lynch KitKat

Day 6 - Lynch Colonel Medved

Day 7 - Lose the game

 

Well, if mafia is good from now on, they will kill every night.

 

I see a comfortable win for scum by day 6.

 

In fact, i wish that scum wins. Even if i don't get the win, i am ready to sacrifice my win for scum to win this time.

I will pray that scum wins this game.

 

Only then will town know how much shitty they truly are.

 

If scum wins, free 9M or 100 tech to scum.

Don't let me down.

 

Yeah, you're just fucking with us, aren't you? No way one can contradict himself so many times . It looks like as if you're enjoying being lynched today. Anyways I think you're definitely jester if you're town or a super saint scum. 

 

If you're town you should do a much better job in defending yourself. You can start by full claim, including your character name.

 

 

I'm very suspicious about Kitkat and Col. medved, who apparently don't have any issues with the MK's story.

 

 

Call it a gut feeling, i don't feel like he is lying about his story. Granted, i'm still pretty new to the mafia scene so some of these contradictions people are talking about might be going over my head. 

 

 

 

Timeline for this game. Day 4 - Lynch me. Night 4 - i beg the mafia to please strongman kill Brewers. Day 5 - lynch KitKat Day 6 - Lynch Colonel Medved Day 7 - Lose the game Well, if mafia is good from now on, they will kill every night. I see a comfortable win for scum by day 6. In fact, i wish that scum wins. Even if i don't get the win, i am ready to sacrifice my win for scum to win this time. I will pray that scum wins this game. Only then will town know how much shitty they truly are. If scum wins, free 9M or 100 tech to scum. Don't let me down.

 

 

Come on MK, if you really are town you shouldn't just throw in the towel... We don't need another Rafay situation

I am saying that i hope that i will be lynched soon as I am done here.

It's just too frustrating to keep on defending myself, which i don't really like to do..

It would be much better if i don't have to take part in this every day.

 

The moment Brewers take charge of the town is the moment the town loses.

Take the Scales of Justice game, for example. Brewers was always against me the whole game and guess what? mafia won.

But in that game, we had a chance as Mafia finally got rid of him.

But in this game, mafia is super intelligent. Most probably, it's Rhizoctonia level players as scum.

 

 

And all of you can do whatever you want and lynch me or not, i no longer give a shit. I am not going to defend myself anymore.

So basically, i am game throwing.

 

 

 

As far as MK goes,

 

He is always floppy. It's one of the things with his play-style that has always confused me. I've lynched him several games and he turns out town (even when it seems so obvious he is scum). I'm not 100% sold on him being scum, but I'm not 100% he is town either. My question is why is KitKat so defensive of MK? Do you know something we don't? Care to explain?

 

Only scum know who is or isn't scum. Defending MK on potentially another lynch of a townie would score points, wouldn't it?

 

 

Rafay (9): Darkfox, Brewersalliance, SeaBeeGipson, Colonel Medved, Atliis, KevinH, Mandarijn, Lachiton, Rhizoctonia

 

 

Funny, your name is missing from this mislynch too. Actually, your name is missing from any wagons actually. I mean, if I was a scum player trying to avoid being on any town wagon, you'd be nailing that on the head.

 

Unvote: Atliis

 

Vote: KitKat

 

 

Nothing to do with your playstyle, it's because your race

 

 

 

 

Re: all of this, yeah on reflection MK does seem suspicious, especially putting his vote on someone he says he knew was innocent. The truth is that although I read all those posts I was reading them fairly superficially and not thinking deeply about them. As you may have noticed, over the past while I haven't really been active on these forums much, and the reason for that is a declining interest in CN as well as the fact that my nemesis Death from above in the Pink Senate War is well out of my range at the moment. I've been playing other games and also finding other hobbies in real life e.g. taking up running. (Incidentally, I've also lost interest in PnW because its war mechanics suck.) My involvement in this mafia game has suffered as a result, including the thought put into reading the accusations towards MK. To show that I'm telling the truth, I'll say that I am usually hyperactive on these forums and would have been far more active in this game if I were my usual boisterous self.

 

My defence of MK was motivated by the post I've quoted at the top of this post, because I felt bad for him and he was clearly a wee bit upset, and I wanted him to know that someone would stick up for him. To show that I'm telling the truth, what I will say is that if I were scum, which I am not, I would have reacted the exact same way, so what I'm saying doesn't give me any townie points here. What I will say is that I never claimed to be 100% certain he wasn't scum, which would certainly be a scum move. I just expressed my annoyance at people going after MK again and said I believed him. Now, having reread the posts in question with more thought, I'm like "yeah, actually, I can see why they accused him."

 

Having said that, I'm still not saying I think he's scum. I'm unsure. On the one hand, he has done some dodgy stuff. On the other, his annoyance and hurt in that post earlier where he got pissed off seemed genuine to me, *AND* you've got to factor in that his posts aren't inconsistent with his style of play from other games.

 

If all this makes me seem scummier, well, whatever. Appearing to compromise on my view that MK is town when someone says that defending him makes me seem scummy probably doesn't give me any townie points. Shrug. I can't help that. If I were genuinely scum and I were lying about not having read those posts thoroughly and I were playing it smart, I'd have stuck with my original stance that MK was town to make it look like defending MK was never about giving myself townie points.

Who is everybody's most suspicious?

I get Lord MK, but after that it is tough for me to decide.

My case against Darkfox is really weak but there's nothing better.

Inactives could be scum or townie (obviously) with not much info to go on.

Ali bin Turban and his cupid/lover issue seems like weak evidence and he made some pro-town sounding posts.

Who else should be considered tomorrow?

 

I gave my list in case I'm night-killed, but it's only speculation.

Just re-read D3:

 

Darkfox votes Rafay. Bussing does seem somewhat unlikely. I mean, Rafay was definitely gonna get pressured but if his lynch was far from a sure thing until the Brewers counter. Still, his overall participation has been somewhat lacking and I can't help but have some feeling of suspicion towards him. - Slightly Townish

 

Brewers counter would be a dumb scum move. I got a town vibe from him. - Probably Town

 

Atliis extra confirm was odd. He's new tho so not sure what to make of it. - Scummish

 

AbT said all the right things today. No big scum tells. No big town tells either. - Slightly Scummish (because of the whole cupid thing)

 

Medved I did not notice any scum tells. I'd like him to talk a bit more, his quietness would seem scummy but I believe he's new too, right? So it's hard to read too much into it. - Scummish

 

Jazzy is rather quiet normally but @Jazzy.. you should try to post a bit more. Last game you were the FBI Agent, you made a big reveal so you kinda got a pass on that. If we have no evidence quiet people are always going to be suspected and a preferred lynch over someone more active. - Scummish

 

Kitkat I still think is town from when D1-D2 he posted something where he only thought of it from a town perspective. A scum could try that to look town but it's really kinda tough to pull off and seem geniune. It seemed geniune to me. Plus since then he hasn't made any huge reveals or got the vote in on Rafay before Brewers but he has been decently active and making good, townish posts IMO. - Townish

 

KevinH did nothing in D3 that screamed scum, no obvious tell, but I really wish he would've pushed for no-lynch D2. Because we still didn't really know anything, free day. It feels very un-Kevin to me. Plus if he pushed for it first then maybe scum would've killed him and not me. - Scummish

 

Lachiton - just seemed very town to me. Good activity. His posts & activity continue to be good and very townish IMO. - Townish

 

Mandy I gave some consideration to protecting. He didn't seem quite as townish tho. Still doesn't. Not very scummy either tho. - Neutral

 

Rhizo has made a lot of big posts with mostly good arguements and good points. He seems townish at times but then.. I remember him making big posts with some good logical arguements when he was scum before if I recall correctly. So I'd stay wary of him. - Neutral

 

SBG did get in early with some of the Rafay interrogating iirc (even tho I just read it, it was so much, it's a blur).. but late enough he could just be going with the flow. If he were scum and Rafay is town, why not? If Rafay is town tomorrow he's one I'd be reviewing. - Slightly Scummish

 

Yehom asked for me to post more while I was dead. xD A scum probably would not have done that since they'd know damn well I was dead! It could be a ploy to try to make me think exactly that but I'm doubtful that's the case. - Slightly Townish

My list is pretty much the same. Only move Darkfox to neutral/slightly summish, maybe since Rafay flipped town.

 

So the next suspects to me would be Darkfox, Atiils, AbT, Medved, Jazzy, KevinH, Mandy, Rhizo, SBG. 

 

Kitkat, Brewers, Lach, Yehom I still lean towards being town. Tho if MK flips scum, Kitkat would move down to neutral then.

MK, when everyone's telling you that you're doing it wrong, it's usually not because they're shitty. It's most probably because you're doing it wrong. People are making mistakes. It's not a problem, it's a normal thing. The problem happens when you blame everyone around for your mistakes. And that's a terrible thing because it indicates you are unable to learn (why learn anything when you're always right and everyone is wrong?).

 

Rhizo's pointed out several heavy inconsistencies already, the biggest one being your story about Rafay RCing on D2 and you investigating him after that (when he RC'ed on D3) and your attitude towards know town (stating you're not giving a f... if he get's lynched).

 

Apart from that don't understand, why would you assume that Rafay was blocked on N1. Why would you draw conclusion that he was a mafia delivering the kill from the simple fact that he visited someone? I bet there were many people visiting other people that night.

I also don't understand how could you expect to bait mafia into targeting you? By playing scummy and being on the verge of a lynch? A real town player, who knew Rafay was a town, would put a head for him, for example by half RCing (saying that he investigated Rafay and got not guilty result) but omitting the fact that he had a bulletproof modifier. This way he'd became more attractive target.

And you? You don't act at all as if you were trying to bait mafia into targeting you.

 

I'm sure you're good guy (as a person, not in a mafia-town sense), but this game didn't work out for you. Just accept your errors and don't look for causes around you.

As for other matters, my top suspect right now is colonel medved. I didn't like this post particularly.

I cant really wrap my head around how could he think MK's plan to bait scum was good, when MK did nothing to bait scum. In my eyes it looks as if he's supporting his buddy's story.

Plus his response to KevinH was so "I have nothing to say, so I'll just repeat what you've said" scum talk. And on top of that he continues no to have any issues with MK's story.
 

My second suspect is KitKat, but he at least try to distance himself from MK now.

 

The ones I lean towards being town are:

- Brewers, Yehom, Rhizo, Kevinh, Lachiton (he seemes more townish than yesterday) and a maybe Mandy

 

Those I'm unsure/neutral on are:

- Jazzy, Atills, DarkFox, SBG, Canik (he seemed more townish yesterday, today his play's somewhat bland)

 

 

Canik (he seemed more townish yesterday, today his play's somewhat bland)

I was dead until the very end of yesterday. xD

If I had been alive all day yesterday, I would've been "somewhat bland" much of that day too. As I was the first couple of days and as I was much of the time in the last mafia game where you made the same accusation. In both cases I was confirmed town so good luck judging me based off that. It's just not my style to be aggressive often and with little-to-no reason. Especially in a power madness game. A game without power roles, you may see me get more aggressive then.

 

 

As for other matters, my top suspect right now is colonel medved. I didn't like this post particularly. I cant really wrap my head around how could he think MK's plan to bait scum was good, when MK did nothing to bait scum. In my eyes it looks as if he's supporting his buddy's story. Plus his response to KevinH was so "I have nothing to say, so I'll just repeat what you've said" scum talk. And on top of that he continues no to have any issues with MK's story.

 

Maybe its just because i'm new to the mafia scene, but i thought that when he was vaguely claiming PR; that he would have a good chance at being visited the next night. 

 

 

 

Let's just say that i have a PR. I am not going to reveal it as i don't want scum to know which one it is. So far i have been successful, so don't want anyone to circumvent my powers. 

 

Anyways, as i promised last time, 

Vote: brewersalliance

 

 

As for me agreeing with Kevin, why is that seen as scummy? Are players not allowed to agree on the same thing? I felt like i should have said something on the topic since people were talking about the "Rafay wagon", which i was apart of. 

Ok, I have been thinking about how to reveal this information. The whole day was all about MK and rightfully so. I still feel MK is the right lynch for today but we should be also prepared for next lynches. 

 

Town should know now what I know if I dont survive the night, but I also know that by revealing this info I am painting a huge target on my back and in likelihood wont survive.

 

AbT was found guilty by me. I should have revealed this a bit earlier in the day but I forgot when was the deadline. Anyways you guys still have next day to discuss this if we cant get more discussions on it today, even if I dont make it past the night.

Ok, I have been thinking about how to reveal this information. The whole day was all about MK and rightfully so. I still feel MK is the right lynch for today but we should be also prepared for next lynches. 

 

Town should know now what I know if I dont survive the night, but I also know that by revealing this info I am painting a huge target on my back and in likelihood wont survive.

 

AbT was found guilty by me. I should have revealed this a bit earlier in the day but I forgot when was the deadline. Anyways you guys still have next day to discuss this if we cant get more discussions on it today, even if I dont make it past the night.

Well shit.  That came out of no where. So I take it you are claiming cop.  You said I seem townish for other reasons-does that mean you investigated me as well?

Ok, I have been thinking about how to reveal this information. The whole day was all about MK and rightfully so. I still feel MK is the right lynch for today but we should be also prepared for next lynches. 

 

Town should know now what I know if I dont survive the night, but I also know that by revealing this info I am painting a huge target on my back and in likelihood wont survive.

 

AbT was found guilty by me. I should have revealed this a bit earlier in the day but I forgot when was the deadline. Anyways you guys still have next day to discuss this if we cant get more discussions on it today, even if I dont make it past the night.

 

See AbT, this is what I was waiting for. How ironic that it's against you. xD

 

I await your defense.

 

 

 

 

See AbT, this is what I was waiting for. How ironic that it's against you. xD

 

 

Ironic or convenient? lol  i have some thoughts to this but I am going to wait until we hear from ABT

i guess both irony and convenient work

 

its ironic that ABT spent all his time defending the cupid thing only to be outed by the cop

 

its convenient that he was scum and got targeted by a nymphomaniac (assuming lach is telling the truth)

 

just a reminder, killing ABT will still kill a townie in the process

i guess both irony and convenient work

 

its ironic that ABT spent all his time defending the cupid thing only to be outed by the cop

 

its convenient that he was scum and got targeted by a nymphomaniac (assuming lach is telling the truth)

 

just a reminder, killing ABT will still kill a townie in the process

 

Yeah it's convenient too since AbT may have tried to push for a lynch on me. If Lach & I were scum buddies tho I would not have approved of such a plan because unless AbT was also scum we'd be proven wrong and lynched after. And if all 3 of us were scum, why let it get to this point? It'd be horrible scum play no matter how you slice it. 

 

 

Ok, I have been thinking about how to reveal this information. The whole day was all about MK and rightfully so. I still feel MK is the right lynch for today but we should be also prepared for next lynches.   

 

Town should know now what I know if I dont survive the night, but I also know that by revealing this info I am painting a huge target on my back and in likelihood wont survive.  

 

AbT was found guilty by me. I should have revealed this a bit earlier in the day but I forgot when was the deadline. Anyways you guys still have next day to discuss this if we cant get more discussions on it today, even if I dont make it past the night.

 

 

The plot thickens, Looking forward to your response AbT. I must say you are now my top suspect as well

Ali bin Turban can make his case in one of 3 ways:

1) He's a Miller or Wrong Place Wrong Time Townie that will give incorrect results to the cop.

2) Lachiton is lying about his investigation because he's scum and wants to get Ali and his Lover lynched.

3) The results of the investigation were tampered with by a Framer.

 

I'm half-suspicious about the timing of this revelation by Lachiton.  There is just enough time to get the wagon switched to Ali before deadline which would save Lord MK,

 

I'm leaning toward believing Lachiton, despite the lateness.

@Lachiton: Any other results you have from other nights? You’re out now, so best to share all intel in my opinion...

I think atliis (and Brewers) should also consider sharing everything they know. (Brewers already said that he has nothing relevant, so maybe less important for you, but who knows maybe your info means someone to someone else?)

So there are a couple thoughts I have on this.  Lachiton's timing is what raises the questions to me.  As KevinH mentioned, ABT could be a wrong place or a miller, which both would result in a guilty investigation.  lachtion has on multiple occasions asked if there was a miller to come forth.  (I believe he started mentioning this in d3.  It would be a hell of a coincidence if Lachtion did not have a guilty result at that time, but he was the one pushing it.  the whole ABT cupid thing happened d2.  Which means he was most likely investigated n2, since thats when the most suspicion was on him.  Therefor the entire time on d3 when Lachiton most likely had the result of guilty, he said nothing.  

 

This is causing me to have some doubts to the truth of this investigation.

 

First off, ABT was a lover, meaning his death would trigger multiple kills.  It was pointed out today that its shocking scum hasnt killed him yet.  A point like this could be used to frame him by getting us to think well ABT must be scum since they did not kill him.    

 

Secondly, a scum role cop could be in play.  They could have discovered that ABT is indeed a miller or wrong place wrong time townie.  Therefor the push for a call out makes even more sense.  Since ABT did not claim either of those roles, his guilty result is more likely than not going to end up with a lynch that takes out both ABT and another townie.  And if scum has a role cop, they might already know he is indeed one of those roles, thus giving Lachiton cover for saying he was guilty.  All Lachiton has to do is say "I asked several times for the miller/wrong place wrong time townie to admit it.  not my fault he didn't"  I think this is the biggest red flag to me.  lachiton waited a very long time after he started asking for a miller to come forward, since the last thing he would want to do if he is scum is waste his call out.  this would be a very solid scum strategy in my eyes.

 

Another possibility is ABT still flips town but is not a miller type role.  scum could still see this as a viable strategy if MK does not flip scum.

 

Lets say MK is town/the jester.  That means that it becomes 10 town v 4 scum

 

n4 scum kills one person, it is now 9 town v 4 scum

 

d5 we lynch ABT.  ABT flips town, and his lover also dies.  It is now 7 town v 4 scum

 

n5 scum kills another town.  it is now 6 town v 4 scum.  

 

sure d6 we would lynch lachiton, but he would have all of two days to formulate a defense, and they would be in a great position with the ratio

I will answer all your questions before the day winds up. I am waiting for AbT's defense. I am a dead man walking at this point so I wont be leaving you guys hanging. Do watch out for anyone trying to end the day before deadline though. MK is already up for lynch and I believe still the right one for today, but AbT can be the one for tomorrow.

Well this got interesting, though not sure why this was withheld for so long, that is a bit odd and alarming.  It seems, maybe I was right on the initial push of AbT back then.  

That being said, like to hear who else Lach investigated.  No point and simply naming the scum and not possibly town you found if you die tonight.  Also, at this point, i want a full RC, name as well.  No one seems to have given names.

Honestly tired of this whole, if we kill AbT we kill a town again.  If ABT is scum and was hit by the nympho, he still needs lynched one way or the other so it has to happen eventually. 

 

If AbT is a miller or a wrong place at wrong time, he played stupid and a mislynch falls directly at the fault of AbT.  Millers and wrong place at wrong time should RC first thing, Canik didn't last game and many called him out for not doing so.  

 

I'm taking note of Brewers, he seems suddenly quite defensive for AbT.  He wants to keep bringing up Miller or wrong place at wrong time when if AbT is that, he should of already RC'd.  You don't after you been investigated.  There should be no possible scenario that Brewers brings up, because a miller should have RC'd already, but Brewers is suddenly trying to form some possible frame scenario on AbT by scum using a possible Role cop.
 

I have to read back, but if Lach did indeed ask if there were any millers or wrong place at wrong time roles, then I believe him even more.  This would be a very smart move of a cop if you got an investigated role that came back scum and you wanted to allow any millers or such to RC before you did.  Maybe a miller comes forward that was the person in question and instead of RCing a guilty result on a now RC'd miller, you hold off and wait and not expose yourself and do another cop investigation the next night.  The fact he did this makes Lach way more believable in my eyes, whereas Brewers seems to think exact opposite.

Unvote

I'm waiting to here all results from Lach, and see if AbT has a defense and what it is.  I am more keen on lynching a cop discovered scum then MK who is likely.  Waiting to see both responses to make my decision if I'm voting AbT or MK. 

I will answer all your questions before the day winds up. I am waiting for AbT's defense. I am a dead man walking at this point so I wont be leaving you guys hanging. Do watch out for anyone trying to end the day before deadline though. MK is already up for lynch and I believe still the right one for today, but AbT can be the one for tomorrow.

 

You posted this before I posted mine.  This is not doing you any favors.  You waited this long to suddenly RC with hardly no time left, now you're waiting to reveal even longer in the day?  Like you said, your dead man walking so you now trying to wait to reveal is not gaining you any believing points with me.  

oh im not saying I think Lachiton is lying.  At the moment I still think its more likely than not he is telling the truth.  I was just presenting that as a possible scenario.  I was getting yelled at by my boss so i quick hit post before finishing my thoughts lol  

I will answer all your questions before the day winds up. I am waiting for AbT's defense. I am a dead man walking at this point so I wont be leaving you guys hanging. Do watch out for anyone trying to end the day before deadline though. MK is already up for lynch and I believe still the right one for today, but AbT can be the one for tomorrow.

why the delay?  if you think you are going to die, just tell us everything.  pushing it back to the last min makes it seem like you are trying to hide something.

 

 

You posted this before I posted mine.  This is not doing you any favors.  You waited this long to suddenly RC with hardly no time left, now you're waiting to reveal even longer in the day?  Like you said, your dead man walking so you now trying to wait to reveal is not gaining you any believing points with me.  

 

 

 

why the delay?  if you think you are going to die, just tell us everything.  pushing it back to the last min makes it seem like you are trying to hide something.

I am just waiting for AbT to makes his defense. I will reveal everything then. I have made it clear that I still think MK is the right lynch for today. And I would have revealed this info at the start of the day itself had it not been MK making some absurd posts and putting himself in line for lynch.  I planned on revealing in the middle of the day but I mistakenly thought the deadline is much farther than it actually was.

 

You posted this before I posted mine.  This is not doing you any favors.  You waited this long to suddenly RC with hardly no time left, now you're waiting to reveal even longer in the day?  Like you said, your dead man walking so you now trying to wait to reveal is not gaining you any believing points with me.  

 

 

 

why the delay?  if you think you are going to die, just tell us everything.  pushing it back to the last min makes it seem like you are trying to hide something.

I am just waiting for AbT to makes his defense. I will reveal everything then. I have made it clear that I still think MK is the right lynch for today. And I would have revealed this info at the start of the day itself had it not been MK making some absurd posts and putting himself in line for lynch.  I planned on revealing in the middle of the day but I mistakenly thought the deadline is much farther than it actually was.

 

there is maybe 24 hours to the deadline?  I still think u should tell us everything you can.  If you die tonight, that gives us barely any time to dissect anything, and if ABT is scum, he might just wait to post anything to limit what you might be able to share.  i think waiting only hurts the town.

oh im not saying I think Lachiton is lying. At the moment I still think its more likely than not he is telling the truth. I was just presenting that as a possible scenario. I was getting yelled at by my boss so i quick hit post before finishing my thoughts lol

 

 

I will answer all your questions before the day winds up. I am waiting for AbT's defense. I am a dead man walking at this point so I wont be leaving you guys hanging. Do watch out for anyone trying to end the day before deadline though. MK is already up for lynch and I believe still the right one for today, but AbT can be the one for tomorrow.

why the delay? if you think you are going to die, just tell us everything. pushing it back to the last min makes it seem like you are trying to hide something.

I can understand the quickness, as I wrote up mine as fast as I could on a 30 minute lunch. Given the short time frame we have now, wanted to get it in before 4+ hours from now when I am at home and could reply.

 

That being said, if AbT tries to use Miller or Wrong place and wrong time, again I believe that should of been told D1. I will have a hard time believing such a RC in now D4, after being caught.

 

And yes, I don't know the hesitation. I don't know why the long hesitstion all day to not come forward..but the more Lach tries to wait til end of the day less I trust him. He should be making amends by spilling all now for him delaying this reveal as he did

Saying MK is the right Lynch when you claim to say AbT came up guilty makes 0 sense. A confirmed is always better then a assumed.