IRON Mafia


 

Sample Role PM said:


You are a Vanilla Townie. Your power is in your vote.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Players:

• Brewersalliance
• CampinKiller (Rhizoctonia)
• Colonel Medved
• iSocialism (SeaBeeGipson), a Town Jailkeeper, has been blown up on night 3.
• KevinH (Brewersalliance), a Town Non-Consecutive Night Voyeur, was smashed by the IRON Christmas tree on night 2.
• Kverst (Mandarijn), a Town Non-Consecutive Night Watcher, was killed on night 4.
• Lachiton (Samus), a 1-Shot Bulletproof Serial Killer, has been lynched on day 6.
• Lord MK (Hertt), a Vanilla Townie, has been lynched on day 4.
• Nadarr (The Warrior), a Town Rolestopper, has retired on night 5.
• Rafay
• Robert (Sister Midnight), a Town Non-Consecutive Night Follower, was killed on night 4.
• SeaBeeGipson (Rhizoctonia), a Town Vanilla Cop, has been stabbed in the back on night 1.

• Sister Midnight (Kevin H), a Town Cop, has been lynched on day 5.

• Wolfpacks (Matt Miller), a Mafia 1-Shot Lynchproof/3-Shot Role Cop, was lynched on day 3.

Rules:

• During the day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• If two players have reached half-majority and have the same number of votes, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
• You may vote no lynch.
• After the day, the game goes to night.
• The game thread is closed during the night. The mafia may speak to each other at night.
• All active roles may submit actions via PM at night.
• The mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at night.
• After the night, the game goes to day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

• Active Participation Rule:
  All live players must make a minimum of 3 posts in the game thread per game day. Any player who does not meet the 3 post minimum on a given day will be subject to being mod-killed unless a legitimate reason for the lack of posting is communicated privately to the game mod. (In the event that something comes up that will prevent you from playing actively, please alert the mod so that a potential replacement can be found.) If multiple players have not met the post minimum on a given day, the player with the fewest overall posts will be mod-killed.

Game days will last seven days until there are fewer than seven players remaining. Then they will last as many days as there are players left.
Game Nights will last 48 hours.

I am not certain MK is town, but I am much more concerned about Robert being scum.

 

My wolfpacks stance came from unknown. It was a risk to Begin with and thankfully it payed off. Honestly, if you've claimed, I think there is little reason besides everybody chiming in first to not just post results straight away.

 

However, I have a suspicion. And nobody is currently looking at him. One not really connected.

 

VOTE LACHON

 

It's more of a process of elimination. I have reasons for everybody directly or indirectly being town except him.

What reasons do you have, Robert? You gave us nothing at all.

I knew that wp was a 1-shot because i have been playing this shit for a long time.

 

Now, if you don't think that's enough, dig a hole.

 

I haven't investigated CM yet, so his RC is as far as i am concerned a conning demonstration.

 

Vote: CM.

If you don't believe me, neither do i.

 

And i was trying to see how everyone reacted to a certain player to see if there's scum in there.

Vote Count

Brewersalliance (0):
Colonel Medved (1): Lord MK
Kverst (0):
Lachiton (1): Robert2424
Lord MK (1): Colonel Medved
Nadarr (0):
Rafay (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Robert2424 (1): Sister Midnight
Sister Midnight (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting:  Brewersalliance, Kverst, Lachiton, Nadarr, Rafay, Rhizoctonia

With 11 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 3:00pm CN Server time on Monday, January 14th.

 

Currently in line to be mod-killed: 

You know, MK believably role claimed earlier and pushed for a second WP lynch. I’m strongly inclined to think he’s town.

 

On the other Robert has been gunning for him. The first time we tried to Lynch WP Robert repeatedly said he was ready to hammer him, but never voted for him at all. The 2nd time Robert argued strongly against lynching WP and voted for MK, instead. It seems Robert has been deflecting and protecting WP by trying to implicate the person who consistently tried to lynch him.

 

I find this to be very scummy.

 

VOTE ROBERT2424

I strongly disagree that Robert is scum.  

 

So lets look at your reasons for why you think Robert is scum.  You say that the first time we put WP up for the first time Robert Kept saying he was ready to hammer him, however that is just not the case.  Lets look at what Robert actually said (posts about WP from d2)

 

 

Ok. I miss understood.

 

Watcher is damning. Only way we didn't see another was because of a ninja. But Im willing to place hammer on wolfpacks once people are ready to end the day.

So Robert mentions he would be willing to place the hammer on WP once we were ready to end the day.  He did not say he wants to hammer in WP and end the day early, he just said he would be willing to cast the hammer vote if town felt like they got all the info out of the day

 

He is already at l -1

Here is Robert letting us know WP is 1 vote away from being hammered.  This was posted 14 min after the post where he said he would be willing to end the day when town is ready.  Clearly Robert did not want to end the day several days early, and he wanted to make sure we continued discussing other potential things before the day ended.

 

Reguadless. I can hammer if need be.

Robert said a second time he can he the hammer if need be.  He did not say he was ready to end the day early and hammer WP in, again, which is highlighted in his next post:

 

Other opionions aren't bad, if we have other suspects, bring them up. this day shouldn't only be about Wolfpacks. If there is any other value we can get out of the day, lets get it. 

Clearly Robert felt there are other potential things out there to discuss and we could get it out of the day if we wanted to.  Robert never suggested ending the day prematurely with a hammer vote, he only suggested he could hammer the vote if town decides they have nothing left to discuss.  

 

Now lets look at your argument for D3 that Robert changed his tune on WP

 

 

From my experence, most the time Lynch proof is most the time scum, however can be scum. However, unless we have a vig come forward, I'm leaning for him to be town atm. 

 

@Kverst, your response is interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it. 

 

@Wolfpacks, what did you do last night and results?

 

Ooc tbh mafia was the furthest from my mind as i had to be more worried about my grieving wife who buried her sister the other day and as i thought i was lynched i didn't do nothing. Shes now back to work and I can concentrate better now.

Ok then, this says he didn't know he was lynch proof. 

 

@sister midnight, I meant Lynch proof is normally a town buff. But since somebody stopped the lynch, he isn't lynch proof, just protected by somebody. 

 

Robert corrects himself and made a typo.  He said he thinks lynchproof is usually a town role, and in part this is supported by the wiki that lynchrpoof is typically overpowered if it is a scum role.  Robert was consistant all day with saying we dont know if WP is X shot or fully lynch proof and we should lynch a different suspect instead of wasting the day.

 

He shouldn't go anywhere. I think its in the towns best interest to let him survive the day. Look elsewhere and instead of wraped around 2 days of lynching the same person with no additional insight other then his role. 

 

  

I find it really interesting that you are keying in on Robert not wanting to lynch WP on d3 because he might survive the link, when several members of the town did the exact same thing.  Lets look at everyone who suggested the same thing as Robert:  Me, Kverst, Colonel Medved, nadarr, Rafay and one really really interesting person - You (Sister Midnight)

 

 

But I’d rather find a better suspect and hope for a vigilante to act tonight.

 

I find it pretty convenient that you shared the exact same opinion as Robert that we should find a better suspect, yet then you use that as the exact reason for why Robert is scum. 

 

One thing I am really curious about is which night Mk investigated WP and nadarr.

 

So MK says he got a guilty on WP.  He came out and claimed that yet did not actually vote for WP.  WP nearly got away with not being lynched.  MK posted multiple times that he was very confident that WP was a 1 shot lynchproof.

 

 

Because lynchproof is too OP to be more than 1-shot. I am willing to risk it for confirming it. A

 

 

For all that's worth, 1-shot is like the maximum a mod can give on a super OP role such as Lynchproof, Killproof, Immortal.

 

So if MK got a guilty on WP, why would his vote be here, especially considering MK claimed several times it was only a 1 shot lynchproof and that it was work the risk to lynch him again:

 

 

Colonel Medved (1): Lord MK

 

At 90 min to deadline, WP had zero total votes.  And the cop who claims to have a guilty on him and was 100% convinced WP was only a 1 shot lynchproof was not voting for WP, but was instead voting for Colonel Medved for the sole reason that Medved placed a vote on him earlier in the day.

 

 

I knew that wp was a 1-shot because i have been playing this shit for a long time.

 

 

So I ask you this MK.  If you knew that WP was guilty and that he was a 1 shot and thus would die with a second lynch, why on earth was your vote on Medved and not him?

 

And here again you are voting for medved, simply because he does not trust you.

 

You are claiming you got a guilty on someone who was already found to be scum.   When you put everything together it just feels off to me.  

Also @MK, which nights did you investigate nadarr and WP?  

I knew that wp was a 1-shot because i have been playing this shit for a long time.

 

Now, if you don't think that's enough, dig a hole.

 

I haven't investigated CM yet, so his RC is as far as i am concerned a conning demonstration.

 

Vote: CM.

If you don't believe me, neither do i.

 

And i was trying to see how everyone reacted to a certain player to see if there's scum in there.

 

Another OMGUS, i'm so surprised! /sarcasm

 

That could be the same for you. You have yet to prove you are a cop, or even show a shred of proof. Why should everyone believe you? Has anyone investigated MK to clear him, otherwise your word is just as good as mine on our RC's

 

The difference between me and you is that i have information and a theory to back up my vote. You are simply voting against me because i voted for you, or just don't like what i have to say. At least i'm contributing to todays discussion, rather than hiding "information" that could help us. But please, be my guest. you are only making yourself appear more scummy

 

 

 

@medved, since you came out and fully roleclaimed, you might as well share any other results you got, as those could help us narrow it down/eliminate a potential suspect as well

 

 

I've already provided my night actions in my OP of my role claim, i investigated iSoc N1 and got a "No Result", and MK on N3 with a "No Result". I'm Non-Consecutive, so i was unable to target anyone on N2.

 

 

 

So I ask you this MK.  If you knew that WP was guilty and that he was a 1 shot and thus would die with a second lynch, why on earth was your vote on Medved and not him?

 

 

This is a great point, just another flaw in MK's story. I would love to hear an explanation on this.

I've already provided my night actions in my OP of my role claim, i investigated iSoc N1 and got a "No Result", and MK on N3 with a "No Result". I'm Non-Consecutive, so i was unable to target anyone on N2.

 

 

Sorry i missed that.  If you got no result on Isoc too, this gets more interesting.  I doubt isoc jailed you both n1 and n3....

 

@TW, if the target of the tracker is roleblocked, would the tracker get a result of "no result"

 

my current theory:  MK is not mafia, but rather a SK.  isocalism publically posted n1 that he was the jailor (albeit on accident) IF scum has a roleblocker, it makes sense he would be their first target, as they could neutralize the jailor, without having to risk killing him and having the kill be stopped by a doctor.  then when MK claimed cop, again they could do the same.  RB the cop and neutralize him without risking the kill being stopped by a doctor.  If this is the case, and MK was roleblocked it means two things

1)  he is lying about getting an innocent investigation.  right now he is refusing to say who he got it on.  Perhapse he is waiting for someone else to back up that someone is innocent, because if MK picks scum as innocent, he would not only keep the scum player alive, but also allert the scum that he is lying about being the cop

2)  he is not part of the mafia team

 

When you add the two together, to me it points to one thing:  MK is a serial killer and not actually the cop

granted this is all hypothetical, as it hinges on if medved picked a rb'd target that his results would come back as "no result" and both isocialism and MK being roleblocked

 

 

so for now i will hold of on my vote.  Id love to hear back from MK, SM, TW and some of our other players first who have not really talked at all today

So i already said it, but i will say it again.

 

I investigated nadarr n1, wp n2.

 

And i look at d2 first posts.

I voted for WP.

I actively pushed for lynching wp.

Then CM comes along and tries to paint wp as town and me as scum.

 

So I decided that there's no way that town is lynching wp, unless i rc and i didn't want to rc that early.

 

So i decided to vote CM.

 

 

 

If i was the sk, i would have killed CM the first night.

CM has a policy of lynching me, by any means.

He has did it in almost all the games we played together.

 

So my first order of business would be to get rid of CM.

 

 

If i was the sk, i would have killed CM the first night. CM has a policy of lynching me, by any means. He has did it in almost all the games we played together. So my first order of business would be to get rid of CM.

 

 

I don't have a policy on lynching you, your actions paint you on how you appear. Your actions to me have made you look scummy, simple as that. I'm not sure if i've wagon'd to get you lynched in other games, i don't keep track of that. But if it appears that i have, then there must have been a reason behind it. I don't simply vote because of a specific person, or OMGUS.

 

 

 

Then CM comes along and tries to paint wp as town and me as scum.

 

 

By no means was i ever painting WP as town, where would you assume that? I was fully aware that he was scum. I said that i wouldn't want to risk us attempting to lynch him during the day again if he had another lynchless shot, and have it taken care of during the night if possible. I wasn't the only person who was expressing that view either, why did you specifically target me instead of other players who said the same thing?

If i was the sk, i would have killed CM the first night. CM has a policy of lynching me, by any means. He has did it in almost all the games we played together. So my first order of business would be to get rid of CM.

 

 

So this is just not true.  I just looked back at the games you have played with CM.  Here are the four games prior to this that you played with medved.  

 

First is the pokemon game where you lied about your role and basically rage quit,  When you were lynched, Medved wasnt even voting for you, he voted for ABT.

 

Link to your death there:

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61645-tw-07-pokemon-mafia-town-wins/page-37?do=findComment&comment=945617

 

Then in Isoc's game, you were night killed and were the JOAT, again, with medved having nothing to do with your death, and not really even voting for your lynch  prior to you being night killed

Link to your death there: https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61872-soc-01-no-stones-left-unturned-town-wins/page-14

 

Then in Rafay's game, you were killed n1, again with medved having nothing to do with it, and medved voted no lynch in that game not for you.

Link to your death there:  https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/62047-ra-02-in-and-out-20-minute-mafia-day-6-town-wins/page-2?do=findComment&comment=950988

 

And then in my game, the first GoT game, Medved never case one vote for you before he died. And you live until the SK won by default

Links to every vote count in the OP here:  https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/62371-ba-01-a-game-of-thrones-serial-killer-wins/

 

So Medved has never had it out for you and you would have ZERO reason to kill him as a policy n1 as the SK.  Just another hole in your story

@SM, A combination with votes, while I believe makes me believe your town cause of it, and I'm currently confident in Brewers and now Kvest being town. But not 100% sure I'd like to add. Lord MK, i have to consider town for now. He's move against WP and his guilty result is Cleansing. Lach I have next to nothing on. No votting patterns, and 0 attention his way. I in no way saying my reasoning is absolute, I could be wrong, but I have to work with what info I've been given. I don't want to disclose at this time some of my reasons at this time. I hope that clears up why I have reasoning without me showing all my cards. I wouldn't say I'm confident unless I have something I could look at and believe that. 

 

If i was the sk, i would have killed CM the first night. CM has a policy of lynching me, by any means. He has did it in almost all the games we played together. So my first order of business would be to get rid of CM.

 

 

So this is just not true.  I just looked back at the games you have played with CM.  Here are the four games prior to this that you played with medved.  

 

First is the pokemon game where you lied about your role and basically rage quit,  When you were lynched, Medved wasnt even voting for you, he voted for ABT.

 

Link to your death there:

https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61645-tw-07-pokemon-mafia-town-wins/page-37?do=findComment&comment=945617

 

Then in Isoc's game, you were night killed and were the JOAT, again, with medved having nothing to do with your death, and not really even voting for your lynch  prior to you being night killed

Link to your death there: https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/61872-soc-01-no-stones-left-unturned-town-wins/page-14

 

Then in Rafay's game, you were killed n1, again with medved having nothing to do with it, and medved voted no lynch in that game not for you.

Link to your death there:  https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/62047-ra-02-in-and-out-20-minute-mafia-day-6-town-wins/page-2?do=findComment&comment=950988

 

And then in my game, the first GoT game, Medved never case one vote for you before he died. And you live until the SK won by default

Links to every vote count in the OP here:  https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/62371-ba-01-a-game-of-thrones-serial-killer-wins/

 

So Medved has never had it out for you and you would have ZERO reason to kill him as a policy n1 as the SK.  Just another hole in your story

 

 

I appreciate you taking the time to look into that brewers, it does seem if anything MK has a policy against getting me killed lol

I want to hear from Lachiton, nadarr, rafay, Rhizo, and SM again before I cast my vote.  I dont recall  Lachiton, nadarr, rafay, or Rhizo talking at all today

@TW, if the target of the tracker is roleblocked, would the tracker get a result of "no result"

 

If a person is roleblocked, their action is never used because the block prevents it from being usable. Therefore, if a tracker were to track a roleblocked person they would be returned a result as if that person did nothing. I can't confirm what their exact returned result would be in such a situation however.

Well MK and his actions today are really making things odd for me.

 

I first do not get this wait til the end of the day to mention the result he got.  Seems like a waste and now it's becoming a focal/sticking point of this day when it could of been known from the beginning and moved on from it if he in fact is the cop.

 

Second, it doesn't make sense that Col Medved got RB'd.   Why would scum RB Col Medved to begin with last night?   With MK coming out as the Cop (supposedly) then scum would of more then likely RB'd MK last night.  Yet MK got a result he claims.  

 

The only way it makes sense is MK is an ascetic cop or Isocialism jailed Col Meved, or he's lying.  Given that Isocialism is now dead we can't know for sure who he used his role on.  

 

I'm curious that Col Medved also got a no result on Isocialism N1.  Twice he used his action, twice got no result.  

So i already said it, but i will say it again.

 

I investigated nadarr n1, wp n2.

 

And i look at d2 first posts.

I voted for WP.

I actively pushed for lynching wp.

Then CM comes along and tries to paint wp as town and me as scum.

 

So I decided that there's no way that town is lynching wp, unless i rc and i didn't want to rc that early.

 

So i decided to vote CM.

 

 

 

If i was the sk, i would have killed CM the first night.

CM has a policy of lynching me, by any means.

He has did it in almost all the games we played together.

 

So my first order of business would be to get rid of CM.

 

 

That would be a terrible idea to lynch him first night as an SK.  Having two kills at night basically brings attention to the fact there's a SK in game, which would be a poor choice to make N1 IMO.  That excuse really doesn't do anything to make me less suspicious of you being a scum/SK, and seems Brewers fact checked as well and what you mention isn't true.  

 

@TW, if the target of the tracker is roleblocked, would the tracker get a result of "no result"

 

If a person is roleblocked, their action is never used because the block prevents it from being usable. Therefore, if a tracker were to track a roleblocked person they would be returned a result as if that person did nothing. I can't confirm what their exact returned result would be in such a situation however.

 

 

Well in that case, it sounds like medved would not have gotten a "no result"  if his targets were indeed roleblocked, so that theory of mine is now moot. So i guess it takes us back to the original choices for what happened.  either medved was jailed/rb'd on both n1 and n3 or MK is ascetic.  

 

with that being said, MK is still acting weird, especially for him being a cop, and is making it very hard for me to trust him

CM said that he got no result the two times he tracked.

Even if i am ascetic, iSoc was not.

So that rules out why CM got a no result on iSoc.

 

Suppose that iSoc jailed CM n1, then seeing that nothing happened, why would iSoc go back to that same target?

 

 

I am thinking that CM is lying

There's no way you get 2 no results.

Well if you're ascetic, isoc would only have had to jail him night 1. But isoc also said jail SM in the group PM but he could have switched to CM.

 

So that doesn't mean CM is lying. He could have been jailed n1 and then hit an ascetic you n3.

 

If Kverst watched someone and that person wasn't targeted, it would be awesome to know who it was and if Kverst got "no result" or "that person was not targeted" (or something along those lines)

 

Could help us figure out what exactly happened with Medved/MK

I think MK should be given the benefit of the doubt. He pushed for a second try on WP lynch and we delivered a big blow to mafia.

 

Same for me. I too pushed for WP lynch but didn't vote cuz people rejected my idea.

 

If there is an SK then he's playing way too quietly. Also the vig if present sn't making kills

CM said that he got no result the two times he tracked.

Even if i am ascetic, iSoc was not.

So that rules out why CM got a no result on iSoc.

 

Suppose that iSoc jailed CM n1, then seeing that nothing happened, why would iSoc go back to that same target?

 

 

I am thinking that CM is lying

There's no way you get 2 no results.

 

Don't know what to tell you, that is what i got. I think you are lying about being cop, so i guess that's just how it is.

 

 

 

I think MK should be given the benefit of the doubt. He pushed for a second try on WP lynch and we delivered a big blow to mafia.

 

We all knew WP was mafia, MK's push was risky and we lucked out that WP didn't have another lynchless shot. I personally don't give townie points for WPs death, other than to Kverst who discovered WP to be scum.

Holy shit this is a lot of information. I will be able to read it more after work. The scummiest looking person right now is def MK.

still waiting to hear from:  SM, Lachiton, Nadarr

 

we are to the point where you cant just lurk and read and be quiet.  If we are gonna win this game EVERYONE needs to participate and share their thoughts

edit:  nadarr posted as i was typing.  so hopefully she is able to share her thoughts later tonight

Ok. I miss understood.

 

Watcher is damning. Only way we didn't see another was because of a ninja. But Im willing to place hammer on wolfpacks once people are ready to end the day.

Reguadless. I can hammer if need be.

Twice Robert said he was prepared to hammer WP, but he never once voted for him.

 

Other opionions aren't bad, if we have other suspects, bring them up. this day shouldn't only be about Wolfpacks. If there is any other value we can get out of the day, lets get it.

Sounds reasonable, could also part of preparation to deflect from WP, especially since WP would survive the first lynch and he needed another person to point at to protect WP the following day.

And then

From my experence, most the time Lynch proof is most the time scum, however can be scum. However, unless we have a vig come forward, I'm leaning for him to be town atm.

 

@Kverst, your response is interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it.

 

@Wolfpacks, what did you do last night and results?

This is after we tried unsuccessfully for lynch WP, after Kverst had already convinced everyone WP killed on D1, in the above posts he’ tried to protect and deflect from WP and even said he thought WP was town. MK role claimed and confirmed WP was guilty, but Robert still didn’t want him lynched.

 

 

 

 

Ooc tbh mafia was the furthest from my mind as i had to be more worried about my grieving wife who buried her sister the other day and as i thought i was lynched i didn't do nothing. Shes now back to work and I can concentrate better now.

Ok then, this says he didn't know he was lynch proof.

 

@sister midnight, I meant Lynch proof is normally a town buff. But since somebody stopped the lynch, he isn't lynch proof, just protected by somebody.

But weirdly he said he believed WP wasnt lynchproof but actually was protected by someone. Idk where that came from, but causing confusion is a classic scum move.

 

I don't see the point in trying to lynch WP again. I think its not only silly it is dumb. I say give Wolfpacks tonight to use his ability. A Cop role shouldn't be overlooked. Then tomorrow we can look at him again. If Wolfpacks doesn't know who or what stopped the Lynch, it could happen to anybody. Plus an ability to stop a lynch, is probably x shot and we don't know for sure if it town or anti who stopped it for sure.

 

We need to look at other options then just the Wolfpack lynch that didn't happen. We only have to 4th to make a decision though.

He actually opposed lynching WP and suggested we allow WP to do his dirty work again last night, knowing WP to be a scum cop who could come up with some bit of info to prove he’s really a cop. Most of us would think twice about seriously considering a scum cop, so it was a great scum plan.

 

He shouldn't go anywhere. I think its in the towns best interest to let him survive the day. Look elsewhere and instead of wraped around 2 days of lynching the same person with no additional insight other then his role.

Yeah, no. Not in the town’s best interest to keep him around at all and you knew it Robert.

 

Could but I'd rather unless the vig is sure to shoot. Otherwise we get another rafay wanna be sk. We can re engage wolfpacks tomorrow.

I agreed that ideally we could find another scum an$ hope for a Vig. But we didn’t find another scum and I voted, rightfully to lynch WP. Not once did Robert vote for WP. All he did was protect and deflect. And, btw, MK claimed cop, identified WP as scum, and Robert is trying to make him sound scummy. That is another example of trying to ignore the facts.

 

Robert, I have no doubt you are scum.

 

I’m off to work, this post took like an hour to write. That is how convinced I am that a Robert is scum.

@SM, thank you for explaining your thought process more on why you think Robert is scum.  It makes a lot more sense why you think what you think when you break it down vs your previous post where you just said a couple sentences and said thats why he is scum.  

 

However, I still strongly disagree with you.  I think you are putting two much stock in his comments where he said he is willing to be the hammer.  And if you read the wiki on lynchproof it says:  "Lynchproof scum are very difficult to deal with under normal conditions." and "In Town hands, its power is only moderate, but in scum hands, it's very powerful (pending how necessary the lynch is for players to get killed in general)."

 

So it sounds like Robert was willing to give WP's cop claim the benefit of the doubt, and as the wiki said, lynchrpoof appeared to be a role that was more likely a town role. just like a lot of us are/were for MK's cop claim.

 

Maybe I am wrong and you are right about Robert, as I am not 100% sure that Robert is town, but I am pretty damn close to that.  

@SM, thank you for explaining your thought process more on why you think Robert is scum.  It makes a lot more sense why you think what you think when you break it down vs your previous post where you just said a couple sentences and said thats why he is scum.  

 

However, I still strongly disagree with you.  I think you are putting two much stock in his comments where he said he is willing to be the hammer.  And if you read the wiki on lynchproof it says:  "Lynchproof scum are very difficult to deal with under normal conditions." and "In Town hands, its power is only moderate, but in scum hands, it's very powerful (pending how necessary the lynch is for players to get killed in general)."

 

So it sounds like Robert was willing to give WP's cop claim the benefit of the doubt, and as the wiki said, lynchrpoof appeared to be a role that was more likely a town role. just like a lot of us are/were for MK's cop claim.

 

Maybe I am wrong and you are right about Robert, as I am not 100% sure that Robert is town, but I am pretty damn close to that.  

The hammer statements are the least of it for me. It is more his ignoring Kverst and MK and actually starting an argument that WP could be town AFTER such strong evidence, especially from Kverst. I’m also concerned that he is talking like MK is scum. Idk know that MK is not scum, but I see little evidence of him being scum and a good amount of evidence to the contrary. Granted, it is annoying that he won’t share his findings on this first day, but I don’t find that much more damning than some other people who are high on my “possible scum” list.