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[Sister Midnight]

Ok so I backtracked a little to validate whether Rafay did push to lynch WP second time because I vaguely remembered him not to.

I think MK should be given the benefit of the doubt. He pushed for a second try on WP lynch and we delivered a big blow to mafia.

Same for me. I too pushed for WP lynch but didn't vote cuz people rejected my idea.

If there is an SK then he's playing way too quietly. Also the vig if present sn't making kills

You say you pushed for WP lynch 2nd time but people rejected your idea, but last few of your posts on Day 3 say otherwise

I definitely am not in favor of lynching WP and wasting our day. We have to completely start fresh and pick someone new to lynch. But I dunno where to start. We got no leads. Imo all the mafia could have been on WP train to appear townie.

I'm in favor of lynching Lord MK and the vig/balancing role should attempt to kill WP

Care to explain!!

Good catch Lach, Rafay has some explaining to do!

The flip flopping could be a tell that Rafay is a scum partner to MK, in the possibility that MK is scum that is. First they both push WP, then when MK was starting to turn towards getting lynched he jumps over to sacrifice MK.

The hammer statements are the least of it for me. It is more his ignoring Kverst and MK and actually starting an argument that WP could be town AFTER such strong evidence, especially from Kverst. I’m also concerned that he is talking like MK is scum. Idk know that MK is not scum, but I see little evidence of him being scum and a good amount of evidence to the contrary. Granted, it is annoying that he won’t share his findings on this first day, but I don’t find that much more damning than some other people who are high on my “possible scum” list.

Why are you confident that MK is town? What evidence shows that he is town? He RC'd and said he investigated WP the final hours before lynch, well after Kverst made everyone aware of him being scum the previous day. In my eyes all the credit goes to Kverst for WP, anyone can claim last minute they investigated someone who everyone else already knows is scum.

I don't know if you've been reading my posts today, but they've mostly all been me explaining my theory of MK possibly being scum. What are your thoughts on that?

I am not CONFIDENT that he’s town, confident is too strong a word. That said, he role claimed and confirmed that WP, aka scum, was scum. That makes me think he’s what he says he is. If you read back you will see that he pushed for WP’s lynch. He did not vote, which doesn’t earn town points, but only 3 peeps voted for WP, so his lack of action is not terribly damning. This contrasts with Robert, who knowing that WP was lynchproof offered to hammer him if necessary, but never acted on this generous offer to hammer him, not even voting, Then after the failed lynch of WP, he tried to prevent a relynch and argued that WP was town.

Addendum: edited to fix a typo

[Kverst]

This CM vs MK issue is weird as both sides seem to have their inconsistencies (more on MK's side). They could be just trying to create confusion and split the votes and the town so that no one is lynched. 

 

And Robert. He just accepted MK as town based on MK's role claims and "results".

 

"Lord MK, i have to consider town for now. He's move against WP and his guilty result is Cleansing"

 

MK's supposed results aren't that credible as he came out with them after I called out WP as scum, and he also is refusing to share his results thus far. MK has no credibility at the present. 

 

For me, MK is the scummiest by far. He piggy-backed off of my information and hasn't presented anything to support his role claim. His credibility based on a role claim is the same as if he never claimed at all. He is also trying to get more information about the specifics of my role despite the fact that I'm confirmed and already specifically stated that I would not reveal anything about my role that could give scum any ideas of my capabilities. 

 

For reference, the message I receive if I was to target someone and receive no results is "Did not see anything". 

 

If I had to pick someone to lynch right now, it would be MK. 

[Colonel Medved]

I am not CONFIDENT that he’s town, confident is too strong a word. That said, he role claimed and confirmed that WP, aka scum, was scum. That makes me think he’s what he says he is. If you read back you will see that he pushed for WP’s lynch. He did not vote, which doesn’t earn town points, but only 3 peeps voted for WP, so his lack of action is not terribly damning. This contrasts with Robert, who knowing that WP was lynchproof offered to hammer him if necessary, but never acted on this generous offer to hammer him, not even voting, Then after the failed lynch of WP, he tried to prevent a relynch and argued that WP was town.

 

Addendum: edited to fix a typo

 

 

WP was known to be scum on Day 2, by Kverst seeing him visit SBG from N1. We were all in agreement then that he was scum, and he didn't get lynched due to his 1 shot lynchless. I don't see why MK coming forward a whole day later, hours away from his own lynch would give a reason to believe his claim. He literally gave us information that was already known by everyone in the game IRL weeks before!

 

 

sbg died alright,  

 

I do have something interesting to share. I will sacrifice myself for the good of the town.   

 

I saw one Mr. Wolfpacks stalking SBG last night. 

 

 

Fine.

 

I am Hertt, town cop.

 

I investigated Wp, that's why i went after him.

 

 

After reviewing the posts from D2, MK was silent the whole day after Kverst made that claim. He only questioned if it was SBG or Rhizo was lynched, then asked for a vote update. Then jumped on the WP wagon when there were already 7 votes against him guaranteeing the hammer lynch (which you placed i just noticed), along with Nadarr shortly after. They both were not included in the final vote, for some unknown reason.

 

 

She thinks that you are scum. 

 

Vote: Wolfpacks 

 

More nails in the coffin. 

 

Good luck, town.

 

 

 

I agree with MS. We have waited out this day and no real information has been brought up. More will come in the night so lets end this.   

 

Vote: WP

 

 

Wolfpacks (7): Brewersalliance, Kverst, Lachiton, Colonel Medved, Rafay, iSocialism, Sister Midnight

 

 

Maybe it's just me, at this point i'm just connecting dots. But MK is claiming to have investigated Nadarr N1 and getting innocent. Nadarr throws her vote on WP after the 7th vote, along with MK. Is could be possible they are both scum and jumped on the WP wagon after it had already sailed to save face?

 

MK also OMGUS'd me yesterday, instead of voting for the person he apparently knew to be scum. And is doing the same again today, but instead holding "information" that could be beneficial to town. Instead of coming forward with the information, he has decided to wait to reveal it. If he truly is a Cop, then I'm wasting my day trying to prove how scummy he is acting, instead of narrowing the scum list with the information he could give. MK's attempt to slander my character by saying i have a policy on getting him killed every game was found to be a lie, thanks to brewers. I've never been a part of a MK lynch/kill in any mafia games until this point.

[Nadarr]

I'd like to say I was on the WP bandwagon the whole time. We had agreed not to rush the day so I didn't vote at the time. I voted when I did because the deadline was looming and no new information was being presented. Why waste time beating a dead horse when we could learn new information following the night?

[Sister Midnight]

After reviewing the posts from D2, MK was silent the whole day after Kverst made that claim. He only questioned if it was SBG or Rhizo was lynched, then asked for a vote update. Then jumped on the WP wagon when there were already 7 votes against him guaranteeing the hammer lynch (which you placed i just noticed), along with Nadarr shortly after. They both were not included in the final vote, for some unknown reason.

Once the hammer dropped additional votes don’t count.

WP was known to be scum on Day 2, by Kverst seeing him visit SBG from N1. We were all in agreement then that he was scum, and he didn't get lynched due to his 1 shot lynchless. I don't see why MK coming forward a whole day later, hours away from his own lynch would give a reason to believe his claim. He literally gave us information that was already known by everyone in the game IRL weeks before!

Good point, maybe MK is scum. However, if “we were all in agreement then that he was scum,” why did Robert say he thought WP was not scum and try to prevent the lynch? I’m aware we were all concerned he might be totally lynchproof, but Robert tried to protect him. Robert showed much more scummy behavior than MK. MK always acts like scum, imo. I don’t object to lynching him after we lynch the person I am sure is scum.

This CM vs MK issue is weird as both sides seem to have their inconsistencies (more on MK's side). They could be just trying to create confusion and split the votes and the town so that no one is lynched. 
 
And Robert. He just accepted MK as town based on MK's role claims and "results".
 
"Lord MK, i have to consider town for now. He's move against WP and his guilty result is Cleansing"
 
MK's supposed results aren't that credible as he came out with them after I called out WP as scum, and he also is refusing to share his results thus far. MK has no credibility at the present. 
 
For me, MK is the scummiest by far. He piggy-backed off of my information and hasn't presented anything to support his role claim. His credibility based on a role claim is the same as if he never claimed at all. He is also trying to get more information about the specifics of my role despite the fact that I'm confirmed and already specifically stated that I would not reveal anything about my role that could give scum any ideas of my capabilities. 
 
For reference, the message I receive if I was to target someone and receive no results is "Did not see anything". 
 
If I had to pick someone to lynch right now, it would be MK. 

No one is saying CM is scum. Can you explain why you would lynch MK before Robert?

[Sister Midnight]

Damn! I confused Kverst and Nadarr’s post! I meant to clarify that no one is pointing the finger at CM to Nadarr, and ask Kverst why MK is is worse than Robert.

Btw, I would have a more scummy perception of MK if Robert hadn’t been gunning for him all this time. Robert gunning for him makes a little less suspicious in my eyes.

[Lord MK]

So @CM you are saying that me, SM, nadarr, rafay, WP are all scum?

Wow.
That's the biggest scum team i have ever seen in mafia.
5 out of 14.
That's a huge team.


I thought that mafia was supposed to be informed minority vs uninformed majority.
But you managed to find a new definition.

[Kverst]

@SisterMidnight

First of all,  I mentioned that CM and MK could just be trying to create confusion and split the vote. The fact that you wouldn't mention this despite that it was in the first part of my post is a little weird. Actually, you are making it worse as you are bringing in Robert to compete with MK for votes. MK has more faults in his story at the moment. Why are you trying to keep Robert in play when MK is clearly more suspicious? 

 

This distraction tactic also seems to be what MK is doing as while I was writing this, he has made another dig at CM to keep the confusion going. Here's another reminder that MK hasn't said anything about himself or his results and has just been attacking others, notably CM.

 

I'm not saying Robert is clean and his actions definitely do not indicate that, but instead asking why you are now diverting attention to Robert instead of the more suspicious MK. I definitely think that Robert is being suspicious here, but MK is the main issue. Seeing as MK has yet to give us anything of use and wants us to believe he is town, I see him as a greater threat as people seem to be forgetting that he has no credibility. 

 

Overall, MK should be focused on until we have more of a definitive answer for him, and Robert can come later (possibly later today) if we can get an answer out of MK. Bringing up a bunch of people and never fully following through today will lead to divided votes and no lynches, which is what the mafia wants. Let's follow through on one, I propose it being MK as he is the most suspicious. We still have nothing from him.

[Robert2424]

@brewres, what are your reads thus far and best way to move forward. 

 

At the moment, theres a movment to lynch MK. I don't agree with it, as he did the push to lynch wp. Otherwise, without his claim, he wouldn't of been lynched, and we wouldn't be in a good situation at all. I understand he isn't the most agreeable person in general, but at this point he's confirmed Cop. Scum isn't going to have another cop like role, that would be overpowered.  

[Lord MK]

@SisterMidnight
First of all, I mentioned that CM and MK could just be trying to create confusion and split the vote. The fact that you wouldn't mention this despite that it was in the first part of my post is a little weird. Actually, you are making it worse as you are bringing in Robert to compete with MK for votes. MK has more faults in his story at the moment. Why are you trying to keep Robert in play when MK is clearly more suspicious?

This distraction tactic also seems to be what MK is doing as while I was writing this, he has made another dig at CM to keep the confusion going. Here's another reminder that MK hasn't said anything about himself or his results and has just been attacking others, notably CM.

I'm not saying Robert is clean and his actions definitely do not indicate that, but instead asking why you are now diverting attention to Robert instead of the more suspicious MK. I definitely think that Robert is being suspicious here, but MK is the main issue. Seeing as MK has yet to give us anything of use and wants us to believe he is town, I see him as a greater threat as people seem to be forgetting that he has no credibility.

Overall, MK should be focused on until we have more of a definitive answer for him, and Robert can come later (possibly later today) if we can get an answer out of MK. Bringing up a bunch of people and never fully following through today will lead to divided votes and no lynches, which is what the mafia wants. Let's follow through on one, I propose it being MK as he is the most suspicious. We still have nothing from him.

Good luck.

I will keep on creating confusion, your words will do nothing to stop that.

Btw,
I have decided to give out results as CM and his followers, will keep the focus on that.

Rafay turned out innocent.

I was late and didn't get that much time to decide the target, so decided that rafay is a good target.

Now CM's theory is confirmed.
Me and rafay are partners.
I bet that he will say this as soon as he sees my results.


I wanted to see how robert reacted towards rafay to see if Robert is suspicious.
Although they do go at each other all the time.



Ok, a big theory.
What if CM is actually scum?
Then Kverst is also scum.
You see, they knew that town won't risk another lynchless day.
So they decided to use WP's power d1 and confirm kverst as town.
They were thinking that wp won't be killed d3.
Then i turned up.
So they decided to go after me for promoting another lynchless day. When in fact, they wanted town to think that wp is unlimited shot.
And get a confirmed town while saving a scum buddy.
It seems like a long shot,but if either of them turns out scum, the other is also scum.

And it's another matter that the tracker is still alive after 2 nights.

[Kverst]

MK, what night did you target rafay? And what were the results of the other night?

 

Also, I never claimed CM was town, nor am I his "follower". (I actually said the both of you might be scum)

[Lord MK]

MK, what night did you target rafay? And what were the results of the other night?

How many times have i got to say the same thing?

Ask CM himself, what my results are. He has a file on me.

[Colonel Medved]

So @CM you are saying that me, SM, nadarr, rafay, WP are all scum?

Wow.
That's the biggest scum team i have ever seen in mafia.
5 out of 14.
That's a huge team.


I thought that mafia was supposed to be informed minority vs uninformed majority.
But you managed to find a new definition.

I never said SM was scum lol, I was just saying I didn't notice she was the final vote

I'm only making observations, I'm not saying you all are scum. I could be wrong on all of them, but I'm just pointing at things that could be a possibility, with the information I have. I want everyone to be aware of my thoughts, in case I were to die.

I find it weird that a cop with information rather withhold it, and let the day continue with people talking about you being scum. You're willing to risk this whole day turning against you, than give information you learned from a night action. It's not like it will expose your role, you already did that the previous day. If you turn up cop, then I would say you were the scummiest acting cop I've ever encountered.

@MK other than attempting to slander my character, do you have any theory's of your own for scum? You've only been defending yourself today, but then again that's what you made today be.

Edit: didn't see the last page of replys on mobile. I'll make another post in a little going through those

[Robert2424]

Can we get an updated vote count please?

[Colonel Medved]

Rafay turned out innocent.

 

I was late and didn't get that much time to decide the target, so decided that rafay is a good target.

 

 

So the information finally comes to light, i was starting to get worried that you would go to the grave for it.

 

Ok, a big theory. What if CM is actually scum? Then Kverst is also scum. You see, they knew that town won't risk another lynchless day. So they decided to use WP's power d1 and confirm kverst as town. They were thinking that wp won't be killed d3. Then i turned up. So they decided to go after me for promoting another lynchless day. When in fact, they wanted town to think that wp is unlimited shot. And get a confirmed town while saving a scum buddy. It seems like a long shot,but if either of them turns out scum, the other is also scum.

 

 

Tell me this MK, why wouldn't I pursue a player who is possibly promoting a lynchless day? Are you saying after a failed lynch attempt, you would be willing to risk wasting another day with no lynch? To be completely honest, i've never played a mafia game with a lynchless shot buff before. Maybe it is common to only be a 1 shot, but i wasn't sure of it. This isn't an open setup, no one should be 100% sure of it. If i see another player wanting to vote for someone who couldn't be killed, of course it would be suspicious. Apparently a good amount of other people did also, since you were almost lynched yesterday until i decided 20 minutes before lynch to switch to WP.

 

Since you voted for me the previous day, what made you decide to investigate Rafay over me?

 

I decided to trust your RC, and I trusted it until you claimed to investigate last night. My "No Result" could have been a RB, but it was possible in my mind that "No Result" could also mean no action was taken. Mafiascum said its uncommon for that return to be given, but i was willing to come forward regardless of that just to share the information. But the way you have acted since then has only painted you as scum in my eyes, and that's all i have to go off of at this point. 

 

And it's another matter that the tracker is still alive after 2 nights.

 

 

That's a bit hypocritical. How does a cop survive a single night?

 

Ask CM himself, what my results are. He has a file on me.

 

 

Are you still trying to slander my character? Anyone who is playing this game could go back and look at your results. No "file" needed. But since you decided to just be short with Kverst, i will do the courtesy of supplying the information again for you.

 

N1 he claims to have investigated Nadarr, I'm assuming she was innocent since he never said what he got

 

N2 he claims to have investigated WP, and got guilty. Which in my eyes seemed to be a waste when we all knew he was scum D2

 

N3 he claims to have investigated Rafay, and got innocent.

 

 

Can we get an updated vote count please?

 

 

And also a post count please

 

 

[Colonel Medved]

At the moment, theres a movment to lynch MK. I don't agree with it, as he did the push to lynch wp. Otherwise, without his claim, he wouldn't of been lynched, and we wouldn't be in a good situation at all. I understand he isn't the most agreeable person in general, but at this point he's confirmed Cop. Scum isn't going to have another cop like role, that would be overpowered.  

 

What makes MK a confirmed cop? 

[Kverst]

Can MK confirm the results and nights? If he really is a cop, he should be concerned about actually helping the town.

 

Also, maybe I missed something, but CM, how do you know MK's actions? Are they from his earlier posts or are you a tracker?

[brewersalliance]

I will keep on creating confusion, your words will do nothing to stop that.

 

 

If you are the town cop, why would you want to create confusion?  The purpose of your role is to create clarity for the town.  Basically the exact opposite of what you are trying to achieve.

 

As far as my thoughts/reads  I can say I am very confident that CM, Robert and Kverst are indeed town. 

 

I am up in the air about SM, Rhizo, Lach and Rafay and Nadarr

 

MK would be my top suspect.  He has had several contradictions that have been pointed out multiple times now by me and other people, but the biggest reason why I think he is scum is MK claimed he got a guilty on WP and MK was 100% convinced it was a 1 shot lynchproof and if WP was lynched a second time, WP would die, yet just 90 min before deadline, MK was voting for CM with an OMGUS vote.  I want everyone to ask themselves this question:  If you were the cop, you found scum, and were 100% convinced that scum would die if they were lynched, would you be voting for that scum or a random player right before deadline?

 

 

Vote MK

[Rhizoctonia]

@brewres, what are your reads thus far and best way to move forward.

At the moment, theres a movment to lynch MK. I don't agree with it, as he did the push to lynch wp. Otherwise, without his claim, he wouldn't of been lynched, and we wouldn't be in a good situation at all. I understand he isn't the most agreeable person in general, but at this point he's confirmed Cop. Scum isn't going to have another cop like role, that would be overpowered.

Pushing to Lynch WP is worthless to go off of. Majority assumed that WP was, it was a easy claim of MK to make that WP was scum. WP was dead man walking, the only thing that would of kept him alive was the idea of not knowing how he survived the initial Lynch. Why wouldn't scum distance themselves as far away from WP as possible? I don't get how you claim he is confirmed cop, nor that somehow pushing a Lynch of WP (for which MK didn't even start the vote on WP) for which everyone assumed he was scum is somehow proving he's definitely a cop

[The Warrior]

Vote Count

Brewersalliance (0):
Colonel Medved (1): Lord MK
Kverst (0):
Lachiton (1): Robert2424
Lord MK (2): Colonel Medved, Brewersalliance,
Nadarr (0):
Rafay (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Robert2424 (1): Sister Midnight
Sister Midnight (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Kverst, Lachiton, Nadarr, Rafay, Rhizoctonia

With 10 players alive it takes 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline will be at 3:00pm CN Server time on Monday, January 14th.

 

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