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[Rafay]

Vote: Robert2424

[Wolfpacks]

Raf Why?

[The Warrior]

 

 

Chaos erupted in the hall. Frey soldiers and archers were striking down the Stark bannermen like fish in a barrel. One man tried to make a run for the door. Lothar Frey took his dagger and threw it. He hit the man square in the back. The Stark soldier slumped to the ground, dead.

Where is the King in the North? Lothar pondered. He scanned the hall, looking for signs of the king, hoping he was dead. Across the hall Lothar noticed a man crouching behind a table.

"There he is, the King in the north! Kill him!" Lothar commanded the archers.

The archers fired a volley of arrows at Robb. The arrows struck the table, none hitting the King.

Day 2 Final Vote Count

Colonel Medved (0)

iSocialism (0)

KevinH (0)

Lord Mk (1) iSocialism

Rafay (1) Robert2424

Rhizoctonia (0)

Robert2424 (1) Rafay

SeaBaeGipson (0)

The Warrior (0)

Velocity (2) KevinH. Lord MK

Wolfpacks (0)

Not Voting: Colonel Medved, Rhizoctonia, SeaBeeGipson, The Warrior, Velocity, Wolfpacks

No one is lynched.

It is now night. Night will last until all actions are submitted or 5/4/19 at 12pm CN timeNot sure if the flavor text matters but this helps.

I have noticed that I’m the main focus as of now, which isn’t going Riverwind help anyone but scum... so I’m going to just RC and get it out of the way.
I am...

Robb Stark, a vanilla townie

Yep, that’s all. I say that the day-end text above could help prove it here since I was the closest to being lynched, and in the day-end text, except for those who died, Robb Stark was the closest to death, via the volley of arrows. Take that with a grain of salt if you will, but...

Oh and that’s also why I said from D1 that I suspect it isn’t role madness, and isoc flipping town confirmed it for me. I really don’t have a useful role, and I’d rather not have town lose more people, so there you go.

 

You have certainly stated in this game that you don't believe it to be a full role madness game which fits with your role claim. However, I have to question why you claimed in the manner that you did. You made it seem like your role claim would provide something more solid in the way of proof that you weren't scum. A VT claim hardly does that. You very well could be a VT of course but alluding to your role the way you did wasn't necessary. You weren't really under much scrutiny..

 

We've got 2 days to deadline and we ought to lynch someone.

Velocity has not convinced me that he is not our best option.

 

Also, is there any discussion on 2 deaths in a night?

I don't think it has really been mentioned yet. SK or town Vig is entirely possible and would fit with the theme of the "Red Wedding". Roose Bolton's could possibly serve as one of those roles.

 

Vote: Robert2424

Any particular reason other than him voting for you?

[Rafay]

Any particular reason other than him voting for you?

 

I voted for him on D2 too. Because I still think he's scum and he's been pretty much inactive this game, not adding anything of value.  

[Colonel Medved]

lso, if the flavour actually matters at all, then isn't Robb stark going to be much powerful than a mere VT? Like, he is the freaking King of the North. And i really think that velocity is yet to be countered, because there's a good chance that scum got safe names.

 

 

 

 

You have certainly stated in this game that you don't believe it to be a full role madness game which fits with your role claim. However, I have to question why you claimed in the manner that you did. You made it seem like your role claim would provide something more solid in the way of proof that you weren't scum. A VT claim hardly does that. You very well could be a VT of course but alluding to your role the way you did wasn't necessary. You weren't really under much scrutiny..

 

I have to agree with MK and TW. Not only does Robb Stark seem like it would carry a larger role, but it also doesn't make sense how you were holding onto a RC that was just a VT claim. Your explanation hasn't really convinced me that you are town yet either.

 

As it sits right now, we have Velocity on the board with 2 votes, MK at 1 vote, and Robert at 1 vote. Out of the three options, i feel the best option for lynch today would be Velocity. I will be putting Velocity at deadline lynch with my vote.

 

Vote Velocity

[Velocity]

lso, if the flavour actually matters at all, then isn't Robb stark going to be much powerful than a mere VT? Like, he is the freaking King of the North. And i really think that velocity is yet to be countered, because there's a good chance that scum got safe names.

You have certainly stated in this game that you don't believe it to be a full role madness game which fits with your role claim. However, I have to question why you claimed in the manner that you did. You made it seem like your role claim would provide something more solid in the way of proof that you weren't scum. A VT claim hardly does that. You very well could be a VT of course but alluding to your role the way you did wasn't necessary. You weren't really under much scrutiny..

I have to agree with MK and TW. Not only does Robb Stark seem like it would carry a larger role, but it also doesn't make sense how you were holding onto a RC that was just a VT claim. Your explanation hasn't really convinced me that you are town yet either.

As it sits right now, we have Velocity on the board with 2 votes, MK at 1 vote, and Robert at 1 vote. Out of the three options, i feel the best option for lynch today would be Velocity. I will be putting Velocity at deadline lynch with my vote.

Vote Velocity

Sigh, I guess town can throw away a lynch on a VT, not much I can do to stop you now eh?

[The Warrior]

I’m torn about whether or not I think you’re scum honestly. I feel like you could be a VT like you say but even if you are I’m not sure what a better option is at this point. Deadline isn’t that far away and we have nothing else right now..

Does anyone stand out to you? At the very least it would be helpful to know your thoughts just in case you are today’s lynch.

[Velocity]

I’m torn about whether or not I think you’re scum honestly. I feel like you could be a VT like you say but even if you are I’m not sure what a better option is at this point. Deadline isn’t that far away and we have nothing else right now..

Does anyone stand out to you? At the very least it would be helpful to know your thoughts just in case you are today’s lynch.

Other than MK, not really, possibly Wolfpack’s since he’s been leaning heavily towards MK side for the reason of “flavor text is too coincidental” which knowing brewers flavor text does matter, I’m a firm believer in that.
If I’m lynched the remaining town will know I was being truthful, as you’ll see that I was Robb Stark like I claimed and people just didn’t believe me. Also yeah I was a tad surprised that I got Robb Stark and he was just VT.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Vote MK

I'm inclined to believe Velocity though it was a poorly executed RC. MK seems to be trying to led an easy wagon on Velocity imo.

[Wolfpacks]

I’m torn about whether or not I think you’re scum honestly. I feel like you could be a VT like you say but even if you are I’m not sure what a better option is at this point. Deadline isn’t that far away and we have nothing else right now..

Does anyone stand out to you? At the very least it would be helpful to know your thoughts just in case you are today’s lynch.

Other than MK, not really, possibly Wolfpack’s since he’s been leaning heavily towards MK side for the reason of “flavor text is too coincidental” which knowing brewers flavor text does matter, I’m a firm believer in that.
If I’m lynched the remaining town will know I was being truthful, as you’ll see that I was Robb Stark like I claimed and people just didn’t believe me. Also yeah I was a tad surprised that I got Robb Stark and he was just VT.

I hadn't thrown myself to any side as of yet, I just find your role claim to coincidencental and agree with TW you led us to believe you was more then you claimed, for no apparent reason, but to save yourself.

But I also agree with Rafay that Robert has been too inactive and because of this im going with the only certified townee and

VOTE Robert

[The Warrior]

Robert has yet to answer my earlier question about his vote on Rafay.

 

@Robert - What message are you trying to send exactly by voting on a confirmed townie..? Don't get me wrong, I understand voting for Rafay in general, but he is confirmed town in this game.

 

I am currently deciding on casting my vote for either Velocity or Robert. Velocity's role claim was very convenient and he sort of made it out to be more than it was and was also unnecessary in my opinion. One point in Velocity's favor here is that he is at least actively engaged currently. Robert, on the other hand is largely inactive (for good reason btw) and has not explained his vote for the only publicly known townie in the game.

[Lord MK]

Unofficial Vote Count

Velocity (3): KevinH, Lord MK, Colonel Medved
Robert2424 (2):Rafay, Wolfpacks
Lord Mk (2) Velocity, SeaBeeGipson
Colonel Medved (0)
KevinH (0)
Rafay (0)
SeaBeeGipson (0)
The Warrior (0)
Wolfpacks (0):

Not Voting: Robert2424, The Warrior

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or 3 at deadline. Deadline is 5/11/19 at 4 PM


Alright, 3 wagons ready.
2 not voting.
31 hours left.

Why did an alternate wagon on Robert form by the way? 😂

[The Warrior]

I'm fairly certain that Rafay voted for Robert because Robert voted for him even though he is confirmed town.

[Velocity]

Robert has yet to answer my earlier question about his vote on Rafay.

@Robert - What message are you trying to send exactly by voting on a confirmed townie..? Don't get me wrong, I understand voting for Rafay in general, but he is confirmed town in this game.

I am currently deciding on casting my vote for either Velocity or Robert. Velocity's role claim was very convenient and he sort of made it out to be more than it was and was also unnecessary in my opinion. One point in Velocity's favor here is that he is at least actively engaged currently. Robert, on the other hand is largely inactive (for good reason btw) and has not explained his vote for the only publicly known townie in the game.

I’ve hammered on this multiple times now. It’s ‘convenient’ because I completely believe the flavor text matters, if it takes my lynching to get that then go ahead. Again, I’m a VT so it’s not a huge loss, right????
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Moving on, if Robert doesn’t show by tonight I’m going to swap my vote to him, I feel as if that knowing I’m town I’d rather roll with the chance that he is scum waiting the town out and the off chance that he may be a town PR.... rather than me die and we lose another townie, because I know I am town

[Wolfpacks]

I'm fairly certain that Rafay voted for Robert because Robert voted for him even though he is confirmed town.

True but at least Rafay gave a reason why he voted for him, we still have still tomorrow I believe until deadline so votes can still change.

[KevinH]

Even if the flavor text is somewhat accurate, I don't see how it benefits Velocity at all.
 

 

Bodies were dropping left and right. ...

 

iSocalism,  Dacey Mormont, a vanilla townie died n2
Rhizoctonia, Smalljon Umber, a Goon Cop died n2

 

 
Note that Smalljon Umber was a Goon Cop.
 

 

About 20 feet away he spotted Smalljon Umber.  He was running towards where Robb Stark was hiding, probably going to check on him.   Lothar grinned. This was his chance.  He could never take the Umber one on one.  So he ran up behind Smalljon, and stabbed him in the back over and over.  Smalljon fell to his knees before he could ever check on his king.  Lothar took his knife and plunged it into Smalljon;s head.

 

 

If Velocity is Robb Stark, Rhizoctonia was going to investigate him as the goon cop but got killed.  I don't see how Velocity is cleared of being scum.

Somebody else called Lothar delivered the kill on Rhizoctonia, but that could be scum, serial killer, or vigilante.

 

I'm stuck on the fact that the scum could have killed Velocity with a lynch vote yesterday but didn't.

[The Warrior]

 

Robert has yet to answer my earlier question about his vote on Rafay.

@Robert - What message are you trying to send exactly by voting on a confirmed townie..? Don't get me wrong, I understand voting for Rafay in general, but he is confirmed town in this game.

I am currently deciding on casting my vote for either Velocity or Robert. Velocity's role claim was very convenient and he sort of made it out to be more than it was and was also unnecessary in my opinion. One point in Velocity's favor here is that he is at least actively engaged currently. Robert, on the other hand is largely inactive (for good reason btw) and has not explained his vote for the only publicly known townie in the game.

I’ve hammered on this multiple times now. It’s ‘convenient’ because I completely believe the flavor text matters, if it takes my lynching to get that then go ahead. Again, I’m a VT so it’s not a huge loss, right????
...

I'm not saying that the flavor text doesn't matter. However, even if it does matter, you could still have received the name Robb Stark as a safe claim. If safe claims were given, Brewers certainly wouldn't post your scum name instead in the flavor text if you were targeted by a SK or Vig or something (or the mafia if you're a SK).

[Velocity]

[quote name="KevinH" post="975658" timestamp="1557509541"]

Even if the flavor text is somewhat accurate, I don't see how it benefits Velocity at all.
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Bodies were dropping left and right. ...

iSocalism, Dacey Mormont, a vanilla townie died n2
Rhizoctonia, Smalljon Umber, a Goon Cop died n2
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Note that Smalljon Umber was a Goon Cop.

About 20 feet away he spotted Smalljon Umber. He was running towards where Robb Stark was hiding, probably going to check on him. Lothar grinned. This was his chance. He could never take the Umber one on one. So he ran up behind Smalljon, and stabbed him in the back over and over. Smalljon fell to his knees before he could ever check on his king. Lothar took his knife and plunged it into Smalljon;s head.

If Velocity is Robb Stark, Rhizoctonia was going to investigate him as the goon cop but got killed. I don't see how Velocity is cleared of being scum.
Somebody else called Lothar delivered the kill on Rhizoctonia, but that could be scum, serial killer, or vigilante.

I'm stuck on the fact that the scum could have killed Velocity with a lynch vote yesterday but didn't.[/
It baffles me as well, considering they would have easily killed me with one more vote. I suppose they just didn’t want to get one of them scrutinized by town. Also Rhizo targeting me the night he died, how would that implicate me in any way? As far as I know scum targeted him the night he targeted me and he died from them.

[Colonel Medved]

It baffles me as well, considering they would have easily killed me with one more vote. I suppose they just didn’t want to get one of them scrutinized by town. Also Rhizo targeting me the night he died, how would that implicate me in any way? As far as I know scum targeted him the night he targeted me and he died from them.

 

If anything, if this is a Role Madness game. I would suspect you of being a PGO. That would explain why Rhizo died when he investigated you, since PGO kills anyone who visits them. If you were a PGO, that means you would still be pro-town. I find that more likely than VT

 

Here is a quote from MafiaScum Wiki that i found interesting.

 

PGOs are generally only used as a somewhat bastard role in Role Madness games (where in the worst case they can kill many players at once), or in games where they fit flavor.

[Velocity]

It baffles me as well, considering they would have easily killed me with one more vote. I suppose they just didn’t want to get one of them scrutinized by town. Also Rhizo targeting me the night he died, how would that implicate me in any way? As far as I know scum targeted him the night he targeted me and he died from them.

If anything, if this is a Role Madness game. I would suspect you of being a PGO. That would explain why Rhizo died when he investigated you, since PGO kills anyone who visits them. If you were a PGO, that means you would still be pro-town. I find that more likely than VT

Here is a quote from MafiaScum Wiki that i found interesting.

PGOs are generally only used as a somewhat bastard role in Role Madness games (where in the worst case they can kill many players at once), or in games where they fit flavor.

That’s interesting, I didn’t actually know that could exist in this game.
About role madness, I’ve said from D1 that I believe it isn’t role madness, and again, Isoc being a second VT makes me believe it even more. So I have no belief that it’s role madness, unless I also got screwed on a role.