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[onbekende]

Lysistrata, on 04 Jan 2021 - 23:59, said:

 

onbekende, on 04 Jan 2021 - 22:37, said:

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

What do you expect? A RINO in Georgia leaks a private phone call to the Washington Post and I suddenly turn Communist?

 

Never gonna happen.

 

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium? 

 

 

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

 

Why would you need to be a communist to be against Trump's phonecall (you know, the one thay started taping from a one-party consent state) that clearly indicates that Trump doesn't even care about possible voter fraud. If he did he wouldn't have asked for the amount of votes to make him win Georgia with 1 extra vote to his name (heck he obviously knows his loss amount, thats clear!)

 

You would be a much venerated PATRIOT if you actually acknowledged Trump failed and possible seditious bid to subvert a states valid and twice validated election!

 

Why should it directly affect Belgium if your current sitting President asks for votes to be tallied towards him so he could win something he lost? I dunno, stability of the worlds largest and most powerfull nation usually affects all...

 

 

DarkFox, on 05 Jan 2021 - 07:11, said:

 

onbekende, on 04 Jan 2021 - 22:37, said:

So the deal is to ignore it all, got it.

 

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

 

 

It is sedition actually. And blindness is the hallmark of mankind sadly

 

Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 09:03, said:

 

DarkFox, on 05 Jan 2021 - 07:11, said:

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

FOX!!! I have missed you so much!

 

There is nothing treasonous about exposing voter fraud, and that's what they're doing. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but it will make it a lot harder to do it again.

 

But framing a President for treason is treasonous. Remember John Durham is the Special Council now. My guess is he's doing his job.

 

You had over 50 judges (from all previous presidency's including the current one) throw out all legal steps they tried to take while having zero evidence.

 

oooo Durham, he is like 2 years late by now no? >_>

[ccabal86]

Lysistrata, on 04 Jan 2021 - 23:59, said:

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium?

Well, trade policy is a big one, and it doesn't just effect Belgium, but the entire EU. Businesses on both sides are looking forward to finally being able to move past the Trumpian trade wars and a toxic customs policy.

[Lysistrata]

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 15:49, said:

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

Donald Trump is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican. Joe Manchin is not a Progressive, but he is a Democrat. I really don't need your permission to call it out. Brad Raffensperger has destroyed himself. That is all that was accomplished from his actions.

 

Currently half of the USA believes the election was rigged. There are mountains of evidence, and sworn testimony that support the charge. That's a really big problem, and the issue must be addressed. Ignoring it on the grounds of standing will not work. They have to prove that they did not rig the election. The sooner this happens, the better.

[onbekende]

ccabal86, on 05 Jan 2021 - 16:03, said:

 

Lysistrata, on 04 Jan 2021 - 23:59, said:

The big question would be... How does this effect Belgium?

Well, trade policy is a big one, and it doesn't just effect Belgium, but the entire EU. Businesses on both sides are looking forward to finally being able to move past the Trumpian trade wars and a toxic customs policy.

 

 

Sure the misplaced protectionism is a hamper on trade (and lets ignore the farmer socialism >_>) but it is more the fickleness that truely is the issue for the world.

 

 

Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 17:58, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 15:49, said:

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

Donald Trump is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican. Joe Manchin is not a Progressive, but he is a Democrat. I really don't need your permission to call it out. Brad Raffensperger has destroyed himself. That is all that was accomplished from his actions.

 

Currently half of the USA believes the election was rigged. There are mountains of evidence, and sworn testimony that support the charge. That's a really big problem, and the issue must be addressed. Ignoring it on the grounds of standing will not work. They have to prove that they did not rig the election. The sooner this happens, the better.

 

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts (not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

 

Half the US can believe what it wants, atleast thats what I got from the 2016 election and yelling from the RNC about it...

 

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

 

But truely this takes the cake:

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 They have to prove that they did not rig the election

 

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

[Lysistrata]

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts

I don't know where this comes from. Trump never even took a salary.

He's never been a Wall Street guy. He made his money in Real Estate.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

(not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

Joe Biden can't think at all.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

They are not looking at the evidence. States are in charge of their elections. That's why they have no standing in court. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with how the states ran their elections, and the problems must be addressed, and rectified.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

Russia has always interfered in our elections. Who ever said they don't?

 

Was the election rigged? From everything I know, and everything I have seen... Yes it was.

Was it enough to alter the results? Yes it was.

Will the election be overturned? No, it will not be.

Should we just ignore it? Absolutely not.

Should people go to jail and face fines for rigging the election? Absolutely.

 

Why am I having to explain my thinking to a Belgian? Because I'm a nice guy.

[Chaplain of death]

Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 17:58, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 15:49, said:

That "RINO" got not only backed by Trump in his election but also shoved under the bus when Trump didn't get what he wanted. Stop calling GOP members RINO when you yourself agree that Trump isn't a Conservative...

Donald Trump is not a Conservative, but he is a Republican. Joe Manchin is not a Progressive, but he is a Democrat. I really don't need your permission to call it out. Brad Raffensperger has destroyed himself. That is all that was accomplished from his actions.

 

Currently half of the USA believes the election was rigged. There are mountains of evidence, and sworn testimony that support the charge. That's a really big problem, and the issue must be addressed. Ignoring it on the grounds of standing will not work. They have to prove that they did not rig the election. The sooner this happens, the better.

 

 

I've seen evidence of some attempted election fraud, I don't watch fox news so many of the instances I've seen have been in favor of Trump, or has been his own actions attempting to leverage state officials before and after the election to alter the results of the election in their states in his favor. I don't doubt that both sides did it to greater or lesser extents but many of the claims I've seen from the right about dems committing voter fraud have been tin foil hat conspiracy theories based on nothing but delusions. 

 

 

Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 22:29, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts

I don't know where this comes from. Trump never even took a salary.

He's never been a Wall Street guy. He made his money in Real Estate.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

(not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

Joe Biden can't think at all.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

They are not looking at the evidence. States are in charge of their elections. That's why they have no standing in court. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with how the states ran their elections, and the problems must be addressed, and rectified.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

Russia has always interfered in our elections. Who ever said they don't?

 

Was the election rigged? From everything I know, and everything I have seen... Yes it was.

Was it enough to alter the results? Yes it was.

Will the election be overturned? No, it will not be.

Should we just ignore it? Absolutely not.

Should people go to jail and face fines for rigging the election? Absolutely.

 

Why am I having to explain my thinking to a Belgian? Because I'm a nice guy.

 

 

 

Trump didn't take the salary but he sure lined his pockets the entire way with government spending. The secret service paid millions of dollars to Trump businesses in order to be able to protect him at Mar-o-lago and his tower in New York. US Air force personal were directed to stay in a suite at a trump property in the UK when they stopped there as a half way point on their trips out to the middle east. He never divested so he directly profited from the presidency in a major way. The 400,000 salary of a president pales in comparison to what he made. 

 

As far as having to explain "to a Belgian". You've made a few comments like this over the years that I've seen, and every time it bothers me to be honest. You are choosing to discuss American politics on the forum of an international community. People who live in other countries are not prohibited from participating in this conversation. Their perspective should be a welcome addition to the conversation. Many Americans lack an understanding of the global effects our nations policies and stability have. We can argue back and forth about what trump has and hasn't done for our own country, but his effect on the rest of the world has been profoundly negative.

[DarkFox]

Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 09:03, said:

 

DarkFox, on 05 Jan 2021 - 07:11, said:

Ignoring treason is so much easier than admitting you backed the wrong guy after all.

FOX!!! I have missed you so much!

 

There is nothing treasonous about exposing voter fraud, and that's what they're doing. I don't think it's gonna change anything, but it will make it a lot harder to do it again.

 

But framing a President for treason is treasonous. Remember John Durham is the Special Council now. My guess is he's doing his job.

 

 

I missed you too man. 

The call was not a frame job. He called them, he threatened them and told them to find enough votes for him to win. In the call he violated 52 U.S Code 20511.

 

If anyone here has credible evidence of significant election fraud they should call up Trump's lawyers since they have yet to win a single case.

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 15:49, said:

It is sedition actually. And blindness is the hallmark of mankind sadly

 

 

By definition its actually both because Biden and his members of government would be overthrown by Trump's attempt at fraud 

[ccabal86]

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

But truely this takes the cake:

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 They have to prove that they did not rig the election

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

 

It's the burden of proof rabbit hole. The reason why human society can function more or less is because the burden of proof almost always lies with the claimant (IMO that should ALWAYS be the case without exception, but that's wishful thinking). Had the reverse been true, society would immediately break down. In fact, disfunctions always arise arise when some demand proof of an accusation NOT being true, e.g. "NASA should prove that they DIDN'T fake the Moon landing", "prove that you are NOT racist", etc.

 

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats. They can blame Trump for that.

[Lysistrata]

ccabal86, on 06 Jan 2021 - 06:40, said:

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats.

Yes, it does. Congratulations. I knew how it would come out as soon as I saw DeKalb County holding back their count.

Now everything will fall on the back of Joe Manchin of West Virginia... I wonder how much he wants to be in the history books?

 

Heading into some very uncertain times. Tomorrow I dump my stocks, pay off my other house, buy two new guns, and I'm going dark for awhile. I will return when I know my family is safe. I'm not leaving the game, so you lose on that one. Good luck my friends.

[ccabal86]

Lysistrata, on 06 Jan 2021 - 10:11, said:

 

ccabal86, on 06 Jan 2021 - 06:40, said:

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats.

Yes, it does. Congratulations. I knew how it would come out as soon as I saw DeKalb County holding back their count.

Now everything will fall on the back of Joe Manchin of West Virginia... I wonder how much he wants to be in the history books?

 

Heading into some very uncertain times. Tomorrow I dump my stocks, pay off my other house, buy two new guns, and I'm going dark for awhile. I will return when I know my family is safe. I'm not leaving the game, so you lose on that one. Good luck my friends.

 

All right, we'll be here if you need us. See you on the other side!

[onbekende]

Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 22:29, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Donald Trump is Donald Trump, the guy would change whatever ideology he has his $$ on in a heartbeat if it suits his thoughts

I don't know where this comes from. Trump never even took a salary.
He's never been a Wall Street guy. He made his money in Real Estate.

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His real estate business is in the drink, the fellow would have GAINED money if he just invested in blank stock features...

And I echo Chaplain of death on the $$ values. Heck I also said he has no plan, he can't even make serious $$ from his own presidency, thats how bad he is at this!
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Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 22:29, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

(not plans, the guy can't think a day ahead...).

Joe Biden can't think at all.

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Citation needed, can't be both an evil communist mastermind AND a mindless zombie.
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Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 22:29, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Believing it doesn't make it true thou, and once again all that "mountains of evidence" and "sworn testimony" not only got trashed into the piling heap of hot air that it actually is, the judiciary isn't even entertaining these more then 1 hearing before throwing them out for the garbage that they are.

They are not looking at the evidence. States are in charge of their elections. That's why they have no standing in court. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with how the states ran their elections, and the problems must be addressed, and rectified.

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Most lawsuits were in their own states, you are thinking of the idiot Texas lawsuit that would have gotten hilarious for Democrats if it went thruw (hint, states suiing other states for their election rules/guidelines).

How did these mostly Republican states run their election badly? What rectification is required? Would you apply said rectifications to ALL states who have similar laws on their books?
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Lysistrata, on 05 Jan 2021 - 22:29, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 21:49, said:

Do you even understand the ludricousness of this? Heck if you want to go down this path, please prove that Russia didn't interfere in the 2016 Election (hot tip, the GOP Senate agrees they did interfere!).

Russia has always interfered in our elections. Who ever said they don't?

Was the election rigged? From everything I know, and everything I have seen... Yes it was.
Was it enough to alter the results? Yes it was.
Will the election be overturned? No, it will not be.
Should we just ignore it? Absolutely not.
Should people go to jail and face fines for rigging the election? Absolutely.

Why am I having to explain my thinking to a Belgian? Because I'm a nice guy.

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Okay, what evidence was brought before you that you are convinced it happened, this Belgian would like it to be explaind to him.

 

And I mean evidence, not Trump's pinky-feelings...
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DarkFox, on 05 Jan 2021 - 23:41, said:

 

onbekende, on 05 Jan 2021 - 15:49, said:

It is sedition actually. And blindness is the hallmark of mankind sadly

By definition its actually both because Biden and his members of government would be overthrown by Trump's attempt at fraud

 

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Besides Biden still being in limbo by being the President-Elect, it is just easier to do sedition
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Lysistrata, on 06 Jan 2021 - 10:11, said:

 

ccabal86, on 06 Jan 2021 - 06:40, said:

In other news, it seems that the Republicans will lose the two senate seats.

Yes, it does. Congratulations. I knew how it would come out as soon as I saw DeKalb County holding back their count.
Now everything will fall on the back of Joe Manchin of West Virginia... I wonder how much he wants to be in the history books?

Heading into some very uncertain times. Tomorrow I dump my stocks, pay off my other house, buy two new guns, and I'm going dark for awhile. I will return when I know my family is safe. I'm not leaving the game, so you lose on that one. Good luck my friends.

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And I am a doomsday thinker...

 

Perhaps before you flee, a comment on MAGA folks storming, occupying and brandishing weapons in the Capitol?

[Lysistrata]

onbekende, on 06 Jan 2021 - 21:42, said:

Perhaps before you flee

I never run... I prepare.

 

Now you know why I said they must prove they didn't rig the election. It's not a legal issue... it's hearts and minds. They have to understand why Trump lost the election, when all the facts do not make any sense. I knew something like this was going to happen. Now a 16 year old girl is shot dead in the people's house... she wasn't even old enough to vote.

 

It's far from over, but it's over for Trump. We won't nominate him again, but state elections will be getting an overhaul.

 

For the record, I was not there. I'm glad I wasn't. I'm too old to get that angry over politics.

 

Edit: Reports of her as 16 years old are wrong... she was a 14 year military Vet. Does not make it any better.

[DarkFox]

Lysistrata, on 07 Jan 2021 - 00:39, said:

 

onbekende, on 06 Jan 2021 - 21:42, said:

Perhaps before you flee

I never run... I prepare.

 

Now you know why I said they must prove they didn't rig the election. It's not a legal issue... it's hearts and minds. They have to understand why Trump lost the election, when all the facts do not make any sense. I knew something like this was going to happen. Now a 16 year old girl is shot dead in the people's house... she wasn't even old enough to vote.

 

It's far from over, but it's over for Trump. We won't nominate him again, but state elections will be getting an overhaul.

 

For the record, I was not there. I'm glad I wasn't. I'm too old to get that angry over politics.

 

Edit: Reports of her as 16 years old are wrong... she was a 14 year military Vet. Does not make it any better.

 

 

They did prove that the election was not rigged in Georgia, they chased every crazy theory and nothing came from it. The burden of proof is now on the folks who keep coming up with new theories every day. This is people not accepting that their guy lost.

[Lysistrata]

Buddy they proved nothing. Everyone believes they just recounted the fraud all over again. That won't work.

 

That girl was shot as she was climbing through a window. I have a strong feeling this will not go unanswered.

[DarkFox]

Lysistrata, on 07 Jan 2021 - 02:03, said:

Buddy they proved nothing. Everyone believes they just recounted the fraud all over again. That won't work.

 

That girl was shot as she was climbing through a window. I have a strong feeling this will not go unanswered.

 

How did they not prove it? How does "everyone" believe that they just recounted fraud again? The officials confirmed the vote, there is no evidence that there is fraud. Tell me what literally everyone knows yet cant prove? Was it a crack team comprised of Big foot, wendigos and the Chupacabra who snuck in the fraud ballots?

The fact is no matter how much someone suspects something doesn't prove it happened. For election fraud at the level it would have been impossible to hide, yet here we are months later with nothing but conspiracy theories and crazy people assaulting the capitol. 

[Lysistrata]

DarkFox, on 07 Jan 2021 - 12:29, said:

there is no evidence that there is fraud.

All lawsuits filed have been immediately dismissed for lack of standing. No evidentiary hearings ever happened. So, saying there is no "evidence" is a lie. The evidence has never been heard in any court of law. The issue most disturbing doesn't have anything to do with illegal voting itself... the most disturbing issue is Governors and Secretaries of State, on their own accord, creating all new ways to hold their elections when they have no Constitutional power to do so. This power is in the hands of the State Legislatures.

 

In reality, their entire elections were illegal. In my opinion, overturning this election would cause more harm than good, but after what happened yesterday... none of it matters now. Trump called a rally, and some bad people came to destroy it. It's his fault it happened, and the political career of Donald Trump is over. He overreached and has lost way too much of his support.

DarkFox, on 07 Jan 2021 - 12:29, said:

How did they not prove it? How does "everyone" believe that they just recounted fraud again?

Because a recount doesn't eliminate illegal votes... you just count it all over again. There were at least 40,000 people that voted twice in Nevada. It's an issue I wrote about on these pages months ago, long before the election. Those double votes were counted, and never removed. That is just one of the illegal voting issues that occurred here. I'm not calling for the election to be overturned. I don't like riots... but elections going forward have to change.

[Lysistrata]

There is no truth to the rumor that the shirtless horned helmet guy is me.

Shirtless man in horned helmet at Capitol protest identified | Fox News

[Lysistrata]

Gavin Newsome frustrated Elon Musk out of California, and he now lives in Texas.

He passed Jeff Bezos, and is now the richest man on Earth.

185 Billion Dollars!!! What the hell would you do with all that money? My guess is he'll take us to Mars.

Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, passing Jeff Bezos (cnbc.com)

[Blade 619]

Lysistrata, on 07 Jan 2021 - 21:28, said:

Gavin Newsome frustrated Elon Musk out of California, and he now lives in Texas.

He passed Jeff Bezos, and is now the richest man on Earth.

185 Billion Dollars!!! What the hell would you do with all that money? My guess is he'll take us to Mars.

Elon Musk is now the richest person in the world, passing Jeff Bezos (cnbc.com)

 

He claims half of his fortune is for him, and half is to establish the Mars colony which will protect us from meteor disaster / our own fuck uppery. (I mean... who wouldn't buy their own planet!)

[Lysistrata]

Blade 619, on 07 Jan 2021 - 21:44, said:

(I mean... who wouldn't buy their own planet!)

The biggest finger would be to buy California... but he's too smart to assume their debt.