[KH-21] JOAT^2 Mafia
This game mimics Mafia Championship Season 7 as found at
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/forums/69-Mafia-Championship-Season-7
The setup:
3x Mafia Goon
2x Town Jack Of All Trades (9x Doctor, 9x Motion Detector, 9x Tracker)
10x Vanilla Townie

The Jacks Of All Trades must use all three actions before repeating an action, i.e. they are rotating. This does not mean they must use the actions in the same order every time.

Players:
Lilweirdward, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1
Torres951, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 2
Tony Maurice Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 3
Wolfpacks Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 4

ghaws, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 4

Lord MK, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 5

Ali bin Turban, Town Jack Of All Trades, killed Night 5
Velocity, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 6

Ferastical, Town Jack Of All Trades, killed Night 6

Rafay Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 7

The Warrior, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 7

Finster Baby, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 8

brewersalliance, Vanilla Townie
Lyner, Vanilla Townie
Robert2424, Vanilla Townie




Rules:
• During the Day phase, each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched; tied votes will result in a player being lynched at random from among the tied players
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• Mafia factional kills are assigned; they display as an action to the Tracker and the Motion Detector actions.
• The mafia faction kill is mandatory.
• Mafia may communicate at any time.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.
• Mass role-claiming is allowed.

Game Days will last half as many real-life days as there are players alive.
Game Nights will last 48 hours.

Sample Role PM:

Hello, xxxxx
You are a Vanilla Townie
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Yes, we are officially open.

I opened the thread but didn't finish the post when I was called away.

All roles have been notified of results.

What was LWWs role/alignment

Dangit, I was excited to play this game

It sucks to be killed night 1, doesn't it? Lol

Yes, we are officially open.

I opened the thread but didn't finish the post when I was called away.

All roles have been notified of results.

OOC:  I saw the thread open with no update from you Kev, so I erred on the side of caution and closed it back, as there were posts starting and no real commentary.

 

IC:  Lets not try and end the day early this time, please?  We should be sure of what we're doing and use a little situational awareness when it comes to voting. 

Tony would be stupid to kill LWW. I think mafia are trying to frame him.

Of course lmao. Next they’ll kill finster and it’ll be obvious they are framing me.

What was LWWs role/alignment

 

Man, I'm off my game ...

 

Lilweirdward, Vanilla Townie,  has been killed in the night.

edited into the Day 2 post. (I can edit because I'm the mod!)

Probably a silly question but will the first post be updated too? 
 

and i wonder, who is the one person that would want to frame ME.

So Lww is dead.

 

Your d2 post hasn't been edited, Kevin.

Your quote was the one edited.

More edits made.  Hopefully correct this time.

Yeah, it's correct now.

 

We don't really need the alignment of the Nked player, they are going to be town.

The role is more important.

What's the optimal strategy for JoAT if they tracked a scum? Reveal it straight away?

We don't really have any other thing to go on, so I think it'd be most beneficial to share it with everyone. 

What's the optimal strategy for JoAT if they tracked a scum? Reveal it straight away?

In my opinion, yes. But there's a few caveats

waiting might be a good strategy too.

Like if you tracked say, me visiting lww.

That might mean 2 things,

1) I'm scum.

2) the other joat also tracking/ motion detection.

 

To the Joat who tracked me, there's a 50% chance that one of the 2 was the one which happened.

 

But if you rc and I'm in fact the joat, then we are both exposed.

On the other hand, you catch me as the scum and you might get protected tonight.

 

So anytime you RC, it's a game changing moment.

 

Now, something i have been thinking of.

If you don't RC immediately, and instead wait another night.

And stay on the same target, if you Tracked first night, then motion detection the next night and vice versa and you catch them visiting the night kill target again.

Then it's in all likelihood, scum.

 

If they visit anyone else, then they are joat.

If they don't visit anyone, then they are scum, this time they are not carrying out the kill.

In order to maximize their potential, Joats should be using actions every night.

So anyone who was seen visiting anyone on one night and not visiting anyone the next night, is pretty much guaranteed to be scum.

We don't really have any other thing to go on, so I think it'd be most beneficial to share it with everyone. 

 

We have 10 pages of D1 posts to go off of... and it would be longer, if someone here wouldn't have done what he did   

 

Also siding with MK here, it would take at least 2 nights to get some form of confirmation, unless a JOAT happened to track the person that killed LWW tonight, the odds for that being astronomical. The best we can hope for is that the JOATs got any result at all the previous night.

That means we can't really rely on JoATs

 

I suggest we force everyone to just vote whoever they think is scum, and see what happens

 

 

Like if you tracked say, me visiting lww. That might mean 2 things, 1) I'm scum. 2) the other joat also tracking/ motion detection. To the Joat who tracked me, there's a 50% chance that one of the 2 was the one which happened.

 

 

It's not 50%. Probability works other way: 

 

- Scum is making a kill. So if JOAT follows scum he'll always get to the crime scene. Therefore we have that 1/14 chance (roughly 7%) 

- For JOAT to follow other JOAT, that went to the crime scene we need an unlucky align: first 1/14 chance for JOAT to follow JOAT and then 1/14 chance for followed JOAT to stumble into crime scene. Therefore its' (1/14)*(1/14) = 0,5% chance

 

So if JOAT follows someone the the crime scene, there's 93% probability (assuming 15 players in game) that he followed scum. 

More edits made.  Hopefully correct this time.

Rough night mate?

 

We don't really have any other thing to go on, so I think it'd be most beneficial to share it with everyone. 

 

We have 10 pages of D1 posts to go off of... and it would be longer, if someone here wouldn't have done what he did   

 

Also siding with MK here, it would take at least 2 nights to get some form of confirmation, unless a JOAT happened to track the person that killed LWW tonight, the odds for that being astronomical. The best we can hope for is that the JOATs got any result at all the previous night.

 

It's not impossible, though. 

Tony would be stupid to kill LWW. I think mafia are trying to frame him.

Tony ended d1 4 days early, so Tony isn't the best authority when it comes to smart decisions.

 

And so,

Vote: Tony.

 

This is not for lww, it's for yesterday's hammer.

Sure, i wanted no lynch, but i didn't want it to be 4 days early.

 

Tony would be stupid to kill LWW. I think mafia are trying to frame him.

Tony ended d1 4 days early, so Tony isn't the best authority when it comes to smart decisions.

 

 

This.  Tony had no situational awareness when he voted.  Just because most of us were for NL doesn't mean it had to happen 4 days early.  While not as critical D1, what if this had been later and that last vote was the hammer vote and now a townie is dead? 

 

Gotta pay attention.  I'm not yet inclined to vote for Tony because of it, but I sure not happy about what he did.

There is something which is bugging me from when i saw tony vote for a no lynch if there was in need of another day why didn't someone just unvote that way it wouldn't had reached a majority right or is it a rule that once majority is reached no matter what the day ends? 

Now, something i have been thinking of.

If you don't RC immediately, and instead wait another night.

And stay on the same target, if you Tracked first night, then motion detection the next night and vice versa and you catch them visiting the night kill target again.

Then it's in all likelihood, scum.

 

If they visit anyone else, then they are joat.

If they don't visit anyone, then they are scum, this time they are not carrying out the kill.

In order to maximize their potential, Joats should be using actions every night.

So anyone who was seen visiting anyone on one night and not visiting anyone the next night, is pretty much guaranteed to be scum.

 

This sounds reasonable to me.

 

And as suggested yesterday I think we need to “force” everyone to vote for someone today and maybe even give some sort of actual reason for their vote. Granted, the reasoning will be highly limited and may just be gut feeling but that will at least give us more to analyze than just “Vote: Player X”.

 

And as suggested yesterday I think we need to “force” everyone to vote for someone today and maybe even give some sort of actual reason for their vote. Granted, the reasoning will be highly limited and may just be gut feeling but that will at least give us more to analyze than just “Vote: Player X”.

 

Let's do it

 

Vote: Robert

 

 

Tony ended d1 4 days early, so Tony isn't the best authority when it comes to smart decisions.

Welcome to the club Tony   

There is something which is bugging me from when i saw tony vote for a no lynch if there was in need of another day why didn't someone just unvote that way it wouldn't had reached a majority right or is it a rule that once majority is reached no matter what the day ends? 

 

yes, certain amount of no-lynch votes = day ends immediately