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[Canik]

Oh my fucking... err, the RAGE!! 

This is all going to be super unbelievable.. first, I had just written a decent sized post all nice, very happy with it.. then my dog jumps up and runs to the door and as I'm getting up I accidentally turned my computer off. Friggin power button man, barely touch it and it's like "YOU TOUCHED ME! SHUTTING OFF NOW LULULUL".. what ever happened to sleep mode? I should have to hold the button down for at least a full second damn man.

SO now now I'm going to make an ugly more condensed version of my pretty post. Here it goes:

Unvote
Vote Canik

Lynch me. 100% serious. It seems almost everyone else has voted for scum or at least made some comment against someone who then flipped scum. The most I've done is say I would switch my vote to MK, after he already had like 5-6 votes on him.. and at the same time expressed my opinion that it's ok to end days a bit early sometimes lol, so scummy.

And before that I was voting AbT, trying to throw some attention his way. I've voted for people who were pretty clearly probably town a couple times. Aside from that one MK comment I have not helped in the slightest to kill a scum and that comment really made no difference either.

Who is more suspicious than that? No one as far as I know! I am the most suspicious, understandable. I haven't done anything clearly helping town. I am the logical lynch.

And here is the thing, even if you're like "damn, Canik is arguing so hard for his lynch maybe he isn't scum.." no, go ahead and lynch me, because your next thought is probably "ofc that is what he wants me to think! he's desperate, it's a gambit!"

You can't be sure, suspicion on me will linger and so Mafia won't kill me at night. Not unless something drastic changes which it probably will not. So they will let me live until then end. Each night I live, makes me more suspect. If it comes down to me or someone else, and that someone else is actually scum but he smartly bused at some point lynching his scum teammate. Who you gonna choose? Me, and then town loses.

Town needs to lynch me to get that out of the way, remove that distraction and find the actual Mafia.

Don't do it yet, obviously, use this time to go ahead and start looking at other people.. but barring like, a cop coming out and clearing me or revealing someone else as scum.. I really truly think, even though I am town, I'm just too suspicious and it's best to go ahead and lynch me. Thank you.


(ugh the first post I wrote was so much better.. oh well)

[Lyner]

No I didn't think you're suspicious Canik lol

 

In fact I have no strong feel for anyone right now

[lilweirdward]

@Canik, I take it you're not pulling an MK and claiming scum, right? Just saying you think you're too suspicious? Assuming that's the case, honestly I don't think it's a big deal. We've got what, 13 players and only 2, maybe 1 scum? And who knows, I have a feeling this game has some decent PRs in it, so you could be cleared/indicted within the next few nights.

Idk, you're right that it's unfortunate that you haven't been on either lynch train, but I don't think it's enough to be worth sacrificing yourself just yet lol.

[KevinH]

Let me refresh everyone's memory about my vote on Lord MK, now known to be scum.
 

KevinH, on 23 Sept 2020 - 23:30, said:

I assume Brewers is telling the truth and that we have a 50-50 chance of getting scum in the absence of any other information.
I did not think Lord MK's vote on Lyner was anything special; it's what we do in the game of Mafia.
However, the comments since then seem desperate, so now we have some "other information"
I don't know what the vote count is so I won't switch yet, but unless I hear a better argument, I will switch to Lord MK.

  

Velocity, on 24 Sept 2020 - 00:01, said:

MK (5): brewersalliance, ABT, Torres, lilwierdward, Rafay
 
 With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.

 
 

KevinH, on 24 Sept 2020 - 17:30, said:

Unvote.
 
Tony needs there to be N-1 votes so he can end the day early.
 
Vote: Lord MK

 
After this began Finster's faux pas of saying this was a scum move but then saying he was going to do it himself.

[brewersalliance]

Gudy I'm drink. Anywidn wanna VC
@samsu hi
@samsu hi

[Robert2424]

*VISABLY ANNOYED THAT CANIK IS VOTING FOR HIMSELF*

[captainjf]

Canik, on 04 Oct 2020 - 02:59, said:

Oh my fucking... err, the RAGE!! 

This is all going to be super unbelievable.. first, I had just written a decent sized post all nice, very happy with it.. then my dog jumps up and runs to the door and as I'm getting up I accidentally turned my computer off. Friggin power button man, barely touch it and it's like "YOU TOUCHED ME! SHUTTING OFF NOW LULULUL".. what ever happened to sleep mode? I should have to hold the button down for at least a full second damn man.

SO now now I'm going to make an ugly more condensed version of my pretty post. Here it goes:

Unvote
Vote Canik

Lynch me. 100% serious. It seems almost everyone else has voted for scum or at least made some comment against someone who then flipped scum. The most I've done is say I would switch my vote to MK, after he already had like 5-6 votes on him.. and at the same time expressed my opinion that it's ok to end days a bit early sometimes lol, so scummy.

And before that I was voting AbT, trying to throw some attention his way. I've voted for people who were pretty clearly probably town a couple times. Aside from that one MK comment I have not helped in the slightest to kill a scum and that comment really made no difference either.

Who is more suspicious than that? No one as far as I know! I am the most suspicious, understandable. I haven't done anything clearly helping town. I am the logical lynch.

And here is the thing, even if you're like "damn, Canik is arguing so hard for his lynch maybe he isn't scum.." no, go ahead and lynch me, because your next thought is probably "ofc that is what he wants me to think! he's desperate, it's a gambit!"

You can't be sure, suspicion on me will linger and so Mafia won't kill me at night. Not unless something drastic changes which it probably will not. So they will let me live until then end. Each night I live, makes me more suspect. If it comes down to me or someone else, and that someone else is actually scum but he smartly bused at some point lynching his scum teammate. Who you gonna choose? Me, and then town loses.

Town needs to lynch me to get that out of the way, remove that distraction and find the actual Mafia.

Don't do it yet, obviously, use this time to go ahead and start looking at other people.. but barring like, a cop coming out and clearing me or revealing someone else as scum.. I really truly think, even though I am town, I'm just too suspicious and it's best to go ahead and lynch me. Thank you.


(ugh the first post I wrote was so much better.. oh well)

 

This just feels odd to me. Like the person in a room being paranoid and constantly pointing fingers at people (just one person in this case) while claiming "I know I didn't do it!!". I didn't really get scummy vibes from anyone for day two, but now I feel like my vision has been clouded. This could be an elaborate deception planned by the scum to draw attention away from something. What? I'm not sure. Just a ton of writing for "I have a feeling".

 

P.S. Is it legal for someone to vote themselves?

[Canik]

captainjf, on 04 Oct 2020 - 06:35, said:

This just feels odd to me. Like the person in a room being paranoid and constantly pointing fingers at people (just one person in this case) while claiming "I know I didn't do it!!". I didn't really get scummy vibes from anyone for day two, but now I feel like my vision has been clouded. This could be an elaborate deception planned by the scum to draw attention away from something. What? I'm not sure. Just a ton of writing for "I have a feeling".

What? I am pointing fingers at people (just one person in this case) - while claiming "I know I didn't do it!!"

I mean.. I'm point the finger at myself.. in terms of who to lynch. hehe, imagine someone actually pointing at themselves screaming "LYNCH ME!! I KNOW I'M INNOCENT THO!!" it does seem crazy, a funny image, but there is a method to Mad King's madness.

Also - it's not paranoia when someone really is out to get you.

Also also - if all you got out that is "I have a feeling", you need to read again. It was MANY feelings, and theories, assumptions, with just a hint of logic.

Also also also - this is one of those times when I wish I could rewind time just a bit, go another way with it and see how it plays out. All these people like "lol I wasn't suspectin' you Canik".. I mean, really? You absolutely should be! I suspect YOU. (except you Brewers, well, still a lil suspicious of you, tbh but I suspect you the least.) I think my response just like, cancelled out the incoming suspicions. Makes me wish I was scum, you bunch of ninnies

Anyway, w/e, don't have to lynch me today but for real, I probably shouldn't be left until the end. Then you'll have to try to decipher my madness and.. I do have a feeling, and it's not a good one. Even worse, I might have to decipher YOUR madness. Is that really what you want? Think about it.

captainjf, on 04 Oct 2020 - 06:35, said:

P.S. Is it legal for someone to vote themselves?

Also P.S. it has been allowed in games before. I know because this isn't the first time I've voted for myself. xD

[Ferastical]

Canik, on 04 Oct 2020 - 02:59, said:

Oh my fucking... err, the RAGE!!  This is all going to be super unbelievable.. first, I had just written a decent sized post all nice, very happy with it.. then my dog jumps up and runs to the door and as I'm getting up I accidentally turned my computer off. Friggin power button man, barely touch it and it's like "YOU TOUCHED ME! SHUTTING OFF NOW LULULUL".. what ever happened to sleep mode? I should have to hold the button down for at least a full second damn man. SO now now I'm going to make an ugly more condensed version of my pretty post. Here it goes: Unvote Vote Canik Lynch me. 100% serious. It seems almost everyone else has voted for scum or at least made some comment against someone who then flipped scum. The most I've done is say I would switch my vote to MK, after he already had like 5-6 votes on him.. and at the same time expressed my opinion that it's ok to end days a bit early sometimes lol, so scummy. And before that I was voting AbT, trying to throw some attention his way. I've voted for people who were pretty clearly probably town a couple times. Aside from that one MK comment I have not helped in the slightest to kill a scum and that comment really made no difference either. Who is more suspicious than that? No one as far as I know! I am the most suspicious, understandable. I haven't done anything clearly helping town. I am the logical lynch. And here is the thing, even if you're like "damn, Canik is arguing so hard for his lynch maybe he isn't scum.." no, go ahead and lynch me, because your next thought is probably "ofc that is what he wants me to think! he's desperate, it's a gambit!" You can't be sure, suspicion on me will linger and so Mafia won't kill me at night. Not unless something drastic changes which it probably will not. So they will let me live until then end. Each night I live, makes me more suspect. If it comes down to me or someone else, and that someone else is actually scum but he smartly bused at some point lynching his scum teammate. Who you gonna choose? Me, and then town loses. Town needs to lynch me to get that out of the way, remove that distraction and find the actual Mafia. Don't do it yet, obviously, use this time to go ahead and start looking at other people.. but barring like, a cop coming out and clearing me or revealing someone else as scum.. I really truly think, even though I am town, I'm just too suspicious and it's best to go ahead and lynch me. Thank you. (ugh the first post I wrote was so much better.. oh well)

 

And this is what I hate seeing in mafia, people throwing themselves under the bus, just because "oh, people are voting for me, so I might as well give up"

Where's your dignity, man? You sign up for a game, you're in it for the long run! That's like a non-written rule...

 

Especially, if these mind games of guilt end up working, and people unvote just because of that, you actually start to think it's a viable strategy to just pretend to give up any time someone throws a little shade on you. Life sucks, so do mafia games. Just get used to it!

 

Vote -> Canik

[Ali bin Turban]

That's really weird.

 

Canik starts pushing KevinH, so people ask for evidence.

Then he posts that he actually has no evidence and follows it with not-convicing-at-all "what if" analysis.

Then a mere moment pases with only 2 people posting, that they are not persuaded...and Canik enters drama mode.  

 

That does not look like a reasonable town to me. More like a scum that tried to do scum hunting and it backfired. I'm also out of compassion for "I give up" posts (it was depleted in KevinH's game with MK's "I give up", when he turned out to be scum). 

 

vote Canik

Canik, on 04 Oct 2020 - 08:34, said:

Also P.S. it has been allowed in games before. I know because this isn't the first time I've voted for myself. xD

 

 

I hope you weren't town then and got lynched for that. A townie shouldn't be messing up with his town buddies with such actions. 

[Canik]

Ferastical, on 04 Oct 2020 - 08:51, said:

And this is what I hate seeing in mafia, people throwing themselves under the bus, just because "oh, people are voting for me, so I might as well give up" Where's your dignity, man? You sign up for a game, you're in it for the long run! That's like a non-written rule...

I lost my dignity a long long time ago and about 10 years later my ego too. tho the latter still comes to visit from time to time. it hasn't forgotten ME completely!

non-written rule? first of all, pal, it's called an unwritten rule! which, IRONICALLY, the proper spelling of which is a WRITTEN rule.

You want to know another written rule?
go here: https://ironcentral.org/community/topic/38058-general-rules/

read the last rule on the list: "Play to win the game!" You don't play to just play it!

How do I win this game? Is it by surviving to the end? Is that what your role PM said? Are you a survivor? Should we lynch you now?

Because personally, mine said - I win when threats to town are eliminated and at least one town player is alive.

and I know I'm acting crazy (aside from the parts that aren't an act and are actually a serious mental condition), but really.. why *shouldn't* I think I'm the most suspicious? I laid out a good argument against myself I think. If you got a better one for someone else, please please share. Anyone who has a better reason to suspect anyone else, I mean, I'm all ears! all I've heard so far is "my mind is cloudy with a chance of no strong feels on anyone".. that and LWW recognizing my unfortunate position (of there being good reason to suspect me). Which, thanks LWW, and I appreciate the sentiment that don't want to lynch me. Whoever is the most suspect tho - lynch'em. I'm happy if that's someone else but if it's me, that's fine.

anyway, so the best argument we got so far for who scum is, is against me. At least, I think. Kevin appears to come closest to answering my question of "who is more suspect?", posting shade on Finster? Though, I dunno, it seems kind of weak. Calling it a faux pas makes it sound kinda of innocent too, doesn't it? Maybe that's just me. Maybe it's because fox paws sound cute. I think we can all agree on that, right?

BUT I DIGRESS! Let's just assume for a moment:

> I am actually town.
> I am the most suspicious (which so far, no great arguments for anyone else)
> people actually suspect the most suspicious person, me, instead of for some reason REFUSING to? wtf guys? I'm actually in agreement with you here, Ferastical, I mind gamed them. Which if it does work, hell yeah, I really gotta remember to try and replicate this when I'm scum. I have a hard time being genuine when scum, but maybe if I get as drunk as I am now!

ok so I'm town, most suspect, people actually suspect me. I'm high on everyone's scum list.

which, until someone provides reason to suspect someone else as much or more than me, let's assume that actually would've been the case, had I not mind gamed everyone.

now let's say I'm on high on everyone's list but you know, I'm active, I've played a lot of mafia games with them, we've fought wars together, we're friends, we're allies.. etc, etc, whatever, for whatever reason they don't lynch me. oh oh, maybe I make a good argument either against someone else or in my defense! so they don't lynch me.

they lynch someone else, it's a mislynch. I survive the night because why would Mafia kill me? not only do they also love me, but they are REALLY lovin' me because with how suspicious I am, I am a distraction. I could be an easy target if they ever get in trouble. I'm basically just a living get out of jail free card for the Mafia.

next day, people still suspect me but still don't really want to lynch me, plus let's assume I'm trying to live. I dunno, maybe trying to live would have got me lynched, seems likely, but let's assume I'm good at it. so they lynch someone else, another mislynch. It's night, mafia doesn't kill be for same reasons.

Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Yeah, there is a fair chance we find scum before then.. but with a high town to scum ratio like we got right now, that makes some mislynches very likely. Then, whoops, a couple more mislynches!

Now it's Lynch of Lose, everyone's favorite gameshow! (especially Mafia's).. who are our contestants today?

Well Bob, Contestant #1 is a reasonable minded person who makes logical decisions! He's provided great analysis that lead us to a scum lynch!
Contestant # 2 is a guy we're pretty sure is town because it voted for a scum!
Contestant # 3 is someone who seemingly tried to direct votes OFF the scum, never helped lynch a scum and lynched a bunch of townies!

Who do you think is getting lynched?

Am I insane to say contestant #3? Does that make no sense? I hope not because if so, I might seriously lost my mind!

(in case it's not obvious enough, btw, I would be Contestant #3.)

Did you follow all that? I know it's a lot, I know I had fun with it and that might've made it a bit harder.. but Canikian really isn't that hard to read if you use all three of your eyes.

Now tell me, was my surviving to the end beneficial or detrimental to my team? Did I follow the WRITTEN rule and play to win? or was I some self-righteous ignorant fool who forgot how victory is achieved in this game and who focused on my own survival above all else instead of putting THE TEAM WINNING above all else? Also I assumed people were being little babies and just giving up when they got a little shade on them due to the whole forgetting how victory is achieve which made it really hard to follow the logic of someone thinking that way so I was like "Where's your dignity, man?" and told him to follow non-written of stay in it for the long which, obviously, means to never stop fighting for your survival not realizing that it is possible under certain circumstances for that to be detrimental to your team because, again, the team winning is not that forefront of my mind. My non-written rule was, but I forgot the non-written rule that assumptions make and ass out of you AND me and now I got this guy who I acted like was a little bitch making a huge ass of him. and I look like an ass too because he's tearing me a new one. who is this guy anyway? dude is insane and such an asshole. shit, wait, I know that name from somewhere.. Canik.. Canik.. oh damn, he's the leader of FTW. He just fought for a year straight. Wait let me go back and check the rest of the Mafia games, oh he's never given up... yeah, note to self; the non-written rule to follow is don't make assumptions, or, try not to insult people based off them. I mean it's really unreasonable NEVER to make assumptions. Someone tosses me a beer, should I not assume it's going to come down. Imagine actually never assuming, you'd be all surprised and shit when the beer came down. You wouldn't catch it, because you couldn't predict where it'd go, that would be an assumption which you rid your mind of! For all you knew the beer would keep flying up into space, or start doing zig-zags, who the hell knows? *laughs to self* that's so stupid.. what's wrong with me? Oh, I know, because I AM CANIK! Plot twist! The end.

*****

Oh man, that was fun. A bit harsh maybe? Nah, you seem like a tough guy Ferastical, I'm sure you took it well.
In any case I'm sure everything I said was stupid and immature and had no truth to it what-so-ever, I mean I think it really was AT LEAST a little immature probably, to be honest.. I hope you'll forgive me. Just one in a rare while, I like to go insane. I think Brewers likes it too and really, isn't that the most important thing?

[Canik]

Ali bin Turban, on 04 Oct 2020 - 10:56, said:

That's really weird.

 

Canik starts pushing KevinH, so people ask for evidence.

Then he posts that he actually has no evidence and follows it with not-convicing-at-all "what if" analysis.

Then a mere moment pases with only 2 people posting, that they are not persuaded...and Canik enters drama mode.  

 

That does not look like a reasonable town to me. More like a scum that tried to do scum hunting and it backfired. I'm also out of compassion for "I give up" posts (it was depleted in KevinH's game with MK's "I give up", when he turned out to be scum). 

 

vote Canik

 

 

Canik, on 04 Oct 2020 - 08:34, said:

Also P.S. it has been allowed in games before. I know because this isn't the first time I've voted for myself. xD

 

 

I hope you weren't town then and got lynched for that. A townie shouldn't be messing up with his town buddies with such actions. 

Disagree with your reasoning but I support your vote! :thumbsup:

[lilweirdward]

If ever a post needed a TL;DR

Honestly though drunk Canik is way more interesting than drunk brewers. I approve.

[Lyner]

Is this a philosophy class

[brewersalliance]

Vote lww

No one is better than drunk me

Also Im wayyy too hung over to read all this. Does someone have a tldr

[Torres951]

brewersalliance, on 04 Oct 2020 - 04:39, said:

Gudy I'm drink. Anywidn wanna VC
@samsu hi
@samsu hi

HE DRINK! HE DRINK!

[Canik]

@Ferastical - I think I might've gone overboard a bit there with my aggression and insults. I didn't like being called a quitter, you got me wrong. I believe strongly in being a team player. My response was still over the top though, to say the least, I did go a bit crazy. No hard feelings I hope.

[Velocity]

lilweirdward, on 04 Oct 2020 - 13:15, said:

If ever a post needed a TL;DR

Honestly though drunk Canik is way more interesting than drunk brewers. I approve.

Drunk canik is just far more cohesive and still entertaining, drunk brewers has funnier moments in his lack of cohesiveness.

I drink I drink is still the best moment

Vote count in a few hours!

[The Warrior]

What in the fuck just happened? I have never seen someone argue so hard for their own lynch.

A couple questions for you, Canik:

1) Are you actually drunk right now?
2) Did the drinking make you post all of that?
Most importantly:
3) Whether drunk or not, why are you arguing for your own lynch?

I admit that I didn’t read the entirety of your second, really long post, but I seriously think you’re reading the room wrong. I didn’t really have much of a reason to look your way.. until now. I’m having a hard time trying to understand what just happened.

[Robert2424]

Vote Canik

 

Look. This is basically a policy vote. I don't think I have to explain why self voting angers me so much. If you don't want to play the game don't sign up for it. 

 

Secondly, the only games where self voting isn't allowed is mine. Well, I allow it but it will likely not count and you will be punished. Or maybe mod killed depending how you did it.