As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH. From here it's pretty random, so let' say:

 

 

i mean i think youre probably right here, tho i do think scum could also be on the no lynch train so we should not discredit that as a possibility.  and yeah it sounds like tony is calling an fos on abt for some reason.  

 

vote: kevinH

Vote: Torres

 

He's way more careless when he's town but the whole "do I have permission to hammer someone" is super suspicious to me.

Torres is dead so I'll transfer it to chaplain lol

There is not much clue right now except last night's deaths

 

If anything, it's rare to see TW getting shoot on the first night. Mafias are afraid of him?

 

About WP, it's probably just SK guessing mafia. Or TW did it but I doubt it since it's pretty reckless.

That's how every game's starting. But if we don't have a solid wagons going and having a conversation, then every day untill we lose at the end we'll see 2 more dead and we'll go with "there's not much clue right now". 

 

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH. From here it's pretty random, so let' say:

 

 

i mean i think youre probably right here, tho i do think scum could also be on the no lynch train so we should not discredit that as a possibility.  and yeah it sounds like tony is calling an fos on abt for some reason.  

 

vote: kevinH

 

Yes definitelly, scum can hide everywhere. But we need to make assumptions and work on the most likely cases and see where they'll take us. 

 

And if that was Tony's FoS on me, then the reason must be, that he's among the 3 characters I've mentioned. 

I not participating as much cause this day is mainly chaos. Randomness. So idk. If this game was any semblece of normal, I might have something to go off of.

 

There is not much clue right now except last night's deaths

 

If anything, it's rare to see TW getting shoot on the first night. Mafias are afraid of him?

 

About WP, it's probably just SK guessing mafia. Or TW did it but I doubt it since it's pretty reckless.

That's how every game's starting. But if we don't have a solid wagons going and having a conversation, then every day untill we lose at the end we'll see 2 more dead and we'll go with "there's not much clue right now". 

 

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH. From here it's pretty random, so let' say:

 

 

i mean i think youre probably right here, tho i do think scum could also be on the no lynch train so we should not discredit that as a possibility.  and yeah it sounds like tony is calling an fos on abt for some reason.  

 

vote: kevinH

 

Yes definitelly, scum can hide everywhere. But we need to make assumptions and work on the most likely cases and see where they'll take us. 

 

And if that was Tony's FoS on me, then the reason must be, that he's among the 3 characters I've mentioned. 

 

thats the feeling i got from it

I mean Finster's emotional play style is more dangerous in my eyes. 

 

But yes it is kinda sus as we have the same amount of posts today and you overall have one more than me. 

 

And your list has no value, how did you make it? Right now it seems like Kevin and under are lurkers with the exception of yourself...

 

Vote Robert because I dislike his excuse of less-active participation

Vote: Torres

 

He's way more careless when he's town but the whole "do I have permission to hammer someone" is super suspicious to me.

Torres is dead so I'll transfer it to chaplain lol

 

 

I can't exactly do anything about the play of my predecessor, but obviously I have the same role so I neither can I say it should be ignored. I think he may have been afraid that some people on the wagon were half hearted and just trying to mess with Rafay, rather than intending to actually lynch, so asking to give people a chance to hop off before they are complicit in the lynch. Hard to say since he isn't here to defend his words/actins.

Chaplain of Death is in the middle for me. 

 

When MK in post 132 says he'll replace torres under certain conditions and brewers below says, "LOL well this is interesting.  nice to see a mod willing to remove players who do not care about helping town win the game" I think 2 things. 

1. A slight interest towards brewers for implicitly saying that Torres goal is to help the town win. Is he your s cum mate and you're trying to tell everyone he is town without us realising? Are you just assuming torres/COD is town? 
2. It's also implicit to me that Torres/COD is a town member. When explicitly saying that he won't take the game seriously MK reacts by imposing those conditions. Is it because Torres is town and he wants him to play properly? This is just how torres is, I feel like he would say it scum or not but it would inflame a mod more if the person saying they won't take the game seriously is town.

COD is more likely town than mafia. 

 

+1 Scum point for Robert here when I am called a troll and voted for. Haven't done anything like it in this game. Just a Rafay-like wagon which is easy kills for the scum. 

I know I have no room to talk as I definitely went nuclear on some people in one of my last mafia games, but it still seems like there's a lot of ooc interpersonal issues being brought into the game. Hopefully we can focus on the game rather than derailing.

 

I don't have any insights into what Brewers said, I only know my own role. As a mod, I would more likely feel I need to replace a player if they were a power role or mafia/SK. You can draw your own conclusions from that action from the mod.

I not participating as much cause this day is mainly chaos. Randomness. So idk. If this game was any semblece of normal, I might have something to go off of.

For this type of game it's a poor excuse. With very slim chances for investigations there will be a lot of randomness. I don't know what else were you expecting.  

 

Chaplain of Death is in the middle for me. 

 

When MK in post 132 says he'll replace torres under certain conditions and brewers below says, "LOL well this is interesting.  nice to see a mod willing to remove players who do not care about helping town win the game" I think 2 things. 

1. A slight interest towards brewers for implicitly saying that Torres goal is to help the town win. Is he your s cum mate and you're trying to tell everyone he is town without us realising? Are you just assuming torres/COD is town? 
2. It's also implicit to me that Torres/COD is a town member. When explicitly saying that he won't take the game seriously MK reacts by imposing those conditions. Is it because Torres is town and he wants him to play properly? This is just how torres is, I feel like he would say it scum or not but it would inflame a mod more if the person saying they won't take the game seriously is town.

COD is more likely town than mafia. 

 

+1 Scum point for Robert here when I am called a troll and voted for. Haven't done anything like it in this game. Just a Rafay-like wagon which is easy kills for the scum. 

That reminder about Torres is interesting. Though lets look at it from other perspective. Whether one of 10+ townies is playing like a town or not is not that important. Definitelly less than if for instance he'd be a SK. SK trolling and getting lynched would be spoiling game a bit. 

I like this version of Tony, I think he's town

 

 

 

 

Vote: Kevin

I like this version of Tony, I think he's town

 

 

 

 

Vote: Kevin

I agree with liking TMs involvement here...idk about his alignment

 

Why voting Kevin? I think you and brewers are on him, I just didn’t catch the rationale.

Robert2424, on 08 Nov 2020 - 06:04, said: I not participating as much cause this day is mainly chaos. Randomness. So idk. If this game was any semblece of normal, I might have something to go off of. For this type of game it's a poor excuse. With very slim chances for investigations there will be a lot of randomness. I don't know what else were you expecting.  

 

MK obviously wants us to be active with the high post requirement. And you call me a troll while you don't even commit to playing the game actively.

 

 

 

Why voting Kevin? I think you and brewers are on him, I just didn’t catch the rationale.

 

Yeah the strange pattern is that they said something completely irrelevant to kevin then vote him at the end of a short post. Is this to do with fantasy football or the mafia game?

 

Nobody knows anything (as far as town is concerned). We cannot sit and preach for the rain (or rather for Cop), most probably he was blocked and won't come and save us. Without any other means of getting information, we need to lynch. 

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH. From here it's pretty random, so let' say:

 

vote Robert

 

If you have other theories and types for the lynch, then it's great. We need a discussion and wagons.

 

So we just going with lynching the IRON military officers off? Sure you don't have an ulterior motive there ABT? 

 

Don't give him any ideas.  /MOD'd

I know I have no room to talk as I definitely went nuclear on some people in one of my last mafia games, but it still seems like there's a lot of ooc interpersonal issues being brought into the game. Hopefully we can focus on the game rather than derailing.

 

I don't have any insights into what Brewers said, I only know my own role. As a mod, I would more likely feel I need to replace a player if they were a power role or mafia/SK. You can draw your own conclusions from that action from the mod.

I agree, the 7 post minimum is enough incentive to replace inactive townies, but taking the extra step to try to make Torres try is something I wouldn't think a mod would do unless that person has some sort of important role. At this point it's actually more likely that such a person would be scum than town (only two town PRs left but 2 mafia plus 1 SK), but with that comes risk in outing one of the last town PRs, so for now...

 

Unvote

 

I agree with the comments aimed at Robert that intentionally laying low because it's chaotic is dangerous and unhelpful for town, and kind of exactly the sort of thing mafia would want to do at this stage of the game. So...

 

Vote: Robert

 

Good catch btw Tony. I like this play style and I hope it's happening while you're town lol.

Yeah the strange pattern is that they said something completely irrelevant to kevin then vote him at the end of a short post. Is this to do with fantasy football or the mafia game?

 

It wasn't completely without rationale, at least from my perspective. Quoting AbT here:

 

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH.

 

... which is what brewers took as logical reasoning and he made the decision to place his vote on one of the 3, which turned out to be Kevin.

 

Lyner on the other hand is just notorious now for not giving any reason for voting, which is shady, but I kinda get it, since one of my dreams would be for people to understand you from just your vote, as they could gather enough information from the status quo and kind of get a picture of where your beliefs reside at any point in the game. But as good as it sounds in theory, that just doesn't apply in real life and especially not in mafia games. Hire a lawyer for all I care, just please, provide at least one sentence why you think your vote is right or what's the goal behind it and trust me when I say the suspicion on you will go down approximately 69%.

 

Okay, it's pretty obvious I pulled that number out of thin air, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at here... 

In summary we have 6 people alive that were on the Rafay's wagon, 3 that were on other wagons and 2 that were no lynchers, with 3 bad guys hiding somewhere in those groups. 

 

If we assume scum would like to blend (so not go no-lynch route) and they wouldn't all jump on the Rafay's wagon, then there must be at least one among (Tony, KevinH, Robert)

 

Terrible assumptions. Terrible math.

 

Day 1 Final Votes:

Rafay (8): Baby, Abt, Limey, Wp, Tw, Dontavian, Lilywad, Brewers

Tony Maurice (2): Rafay, Robert

Torres (1): Tony

Wolfpacks (1): Kevin

Not voting: Torres, Ferastical

 

Who's left?

1 Mafia Cop Switch

1 Mafia Doc Switch

1 Mafia Vig Switch

1 Serial Killer (with Mafia NK Immunity OR Vig/Cop Immunity)

1 Cop

1 Doctor

1 Vigilante

7 6 Townies

 

Even if your assumption is true about 1 scum being among the 3 listed players, that leaves 2 scum among the rest.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

For making a false premise.

I’m also suspicious on the fact that you completely ignored my questions to you regarding the list @ABT

Okay, it's pretty obvious I pulled that number out of thin air, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at here... 

Did you know, 87% of all statistics are made upon the spot?

I still don't agree with the premise that we are to assume that the other scum were not on Rafay's wagon. The only evidence we have of scum involvement in the wagon is that they were in fact on the wagon with WP's vote. You could make the argument that they tried to spread their votes around to avoid anyone drawing connections to them, but the wagon on Rafay was built on nothing, because the town had nothing, so its a free day kill to scum/SK. Maybe they weren't all voting for Rafay, but I think it's likely that at least one more maf was on that wagon, if not a maf and the SK.

 

In summary we have 6 people alive that were on the Rafay's wagon, 3 that were on other wagons and 2 that were no lynchers, with 3 bad guys hiding somewhere in those groups. 

 

If we assume scum would like to blend (so not go no-lynch route) and they wouldn't all jump on the Rafay's wagon, then there must be at least one among (Tony, KevinH, Robert)

 

 

Terrible assumptions. Terrible math.

 

Day 1 Final Votes:

Rafay (8): Baby, Abt, Limey, Wp, Tw, Dontavian, Lilywad, Brewers

Tony Maurice (2): Rafay, Robert

Torres (1): Tony

Wolfpacks (1): Kevin

Not voting: Torres, Ferastical

 

Who's left?

1 Mafia Cop Switch

1 Mafia Doc Switch

1 Mafia Vig Switch

1 Serial Killer (with Mafia NK Immunity OR Vig/Cop Immunity)

1 Cop

1 Doctor

1 Vigilante

7 6 Townies

 

Even if your assumption is true about 1 scum being among the 3 listed players, that leaves 2 scum among the rest.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

For making a false premise.

So much text here and zero arguments. You say my assumption is terrible / false but you dont even mention why.

You say my math is terrible and even if there is a scum among those 3 Ive mentioned there are also 2 others among the rest (which is 8). Is 33% chance for scum somehow worse than 25%?

 

If we cut off quoting statistics from your post then what remains is: "I say youre wrong, therefore I vote you". Nothing other than a padded OMGUS vote.

I’m also suspicious on the fact that you completely ignored my questions to you regarding the list @ABT

I didn't ignore your questions ( why would I?). I didnt see any question that you directed to me. If you show me that question I'll gladly respond.

 

As I've mentioned my bet is that we'll have scum hiding in the sidelines (not on the Rafays wagon and not on the no lynch place). That means it's either Tony, Robert or KevinH.

 

... which is what brewers took as logical reasoning and he made the decision to place his vote on one of the 3, which turned out to be Kevin.

 

Lyner on the other hand is just notorious now for not giving any reason for voting, which is shady, but I kinda get it, since one of my dreams would be for people to understand you from just your vote, as they could gather enough information from the status quo and kind of get a picture of where your beliefs reside at any point in the game. But as good as it sounds in theory, that just doesn't apply in real life and especially not in mafia games. Hire a lawyer for all I care, just please, provide at least one sentence why you think your vote is right or what's the goal behind it and trust me when I say the suspicion on you will go down approximately 69%.

I don't know what's brewers reason for the vote, but indeed I'm trying AbT's premise and chose Kevin out of the 3. 

 

It did get Kevin to start talking 

Sure, a 33% chance is better than a 25% chance.

But only a scum would *know* there is 1 scum among a set of 3 players.

 

As a townie, all I know is that there are 6 living players that voted to lynch a now-known townie.

 

Why group the players that voted for somebody else, but not the players that didn't vote at all?

 

Is there a scum among the 2 players that didn't vote?

If yes, then that's a 50% chance of finding scum there.

If no, then that puts 2 scum among the 6 living players that lynched Rafay.  33% again.  Hmmm

 

As I said, "Terrible assumptions.  Terrible math."

 

I think it's scummy to try to sway opinion with an argument like that.

Is this to do with fantasy football or the mafia game?

Thanks for asking.

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This week I have returned to my losing ways.