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[Lord MK]

Vote Count -edited cause i mistook liky for rafay

Rafay (2): MK, Lww
Lww (1): Kevin
Kevin
Tw
Mk
lyner
Torres
WP

Not voting: Rafay, tw, lyner, Torres, wp

Deadline is 11/30 at 9am CN time

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Got 3 days left.
So let's do this.

[lilweirdward]

Ahem, I did vote lol

Vote: Rafay

Also Rafay didn't vote himself right? Or is this another "vote manipulation" situation?

[Lord MK]

I edited the vote Count.
I thought you were rafay 😂

[KevinH]

So that's basically TW/MK/LWW.

 

Vote Lilweirdward

 

My choice among the three.

[Lord MK]

So that's basically TW/MK/LWW.

Vote Lilweirdward

My choice among the three.

You already voted, jeez.

[KevinH]

Vote early and vote often

[Lyner]

 

At that point MK was at 2 votes (Wolfpack & LWW) and Dontavian is at 3 votes.

Why would he seal the fate of his scum friend if he could be able to save him?

*referring to Rafay

Lol come on, you can't be serious. There's a ton of advantage to putting a vote on your scum partner when it seems obvious that they're going to be lynched anyway, because it makes you seem townie for exactly the reason you just described (why would scum kill their own partner when they could've tried to save them?). It's far more dangerous for scum to try to jump on opposing wagons, since those are usually the first to get analyzed once a lynched player flips scum, and for all of Rafay's weird style, he's obviously experienced enough to know that.

I could flip the same question around a bit: why would he help hammer someone who replaced a completely inactive player and was actually trying, if he didn't already know they were scum? There was zero indication Robert/Dontavian was scum from what I could tell, and while I doubt the people who started the wagon were scum (literally no reason to start a wagon to bus your newly replaced partner), I am very suspicious of the players who otherwise should've had no reason to hammer a player who was actually trying and had just joined the game. I don't really follow how you don't see that as suspicious at all.

 

He did not need to vote, he can just hide within the non-voters. There were 4 non-voters so it's very a safe position.

 

At that point Dontavian only has one vote difference to MK (3 votes & 2 votes), so it's not "obvious" that Dontavian will be lynched. The Rafay vote sealed Dontavian's fate.

 

 

If you recall, I was the first person to agree to this plan when ABT initially brought up the strategy. How does me voting for Dontavian make me scum when it was the will of the people and I did exactly what I said I’d do?

Well yes, but's that's not really a town tell.

[Lord MK]

I was just at 2 votes, jeez.
One was Lww who is auto disqualified and the other is WP who is still not dead.

So i wasn't a lynch target then, limey.
Stop twisting stuff.

[Rafay]

I was just at 2 votes, jeez. One was Lww who is auto disqualified and the other is WP who is still not dead. So i wasn't a lynch target then, limey. Stop twisting stuff.

 

When did you become the Elector? 

 

Vote: lilweirdward

[Finster Baby]

VOTE:  TW

 

The dead don't like conservatives.

[The Warrior]

Vote early and vote often

That’s the democrat way. I thought you were one of the good ones.

At that point MK was at 2 votes (Wolfpack & LWW) and Dontavian is at 3 votes.

Why would he seal the fate of his scum friend if he could be able to save him?

*referring to Rafay

Lol come on, you can't be serious. There's a ton of advantage to putting a vote on your scum partner when it seems obvious that they're going to be lynched anyway, because it makes you seem townie for exactly the reason you just described (why would scum kill their own partner when they could've tried to save them?). It's far more dangerous for scum to try to jump on opposing wagons, since those are usually the first to get analyzed once a lynched player flips scum, and for all of Rafay's weird style, he's obviously experienced enough to know that.

I could flip the same question around a bit: why would he help hammer someone who replaced a completely inactive player and was actually trying, if he didn't already know they were scum? There was zero indication Robert/Dontavian was scum from what I could tell, and while I doubt the people who started the wagon were scum (literally no reason to start a wagon to bus your newly replaced partner), I am very suspicious of the players who otherwise should've had no reason to hammer a player who was actually trying and had just joined the game. I don't really follow how you don't see that as suspicious at all.

He did not need to vote, he can just hide within the non-voters. There were 4 non-voters so it's very a safe position.

At that point Dontavian only has one vote difference to MK (3 votes & 2 votes), so it's not "obvious" that Dontavian will be lynched. The Rafay vote sealed Dontavian's fate.

If you recall, I was the first person to agree to this plan when ABT initially brought up the strategy. How does me voting for Dontavian make me scum when it was the will of the people and I did exactly what I said I’d do?

Well yes, but's that's not really a town tell.

But it’s a scum tell? I voted the way the town was voting.

VOTE: TW

The dead don't like conservatives.

Clearly. It’s not often a dead person casts a ballot for a Republican candidate.

[brewersalliance]

Breaking news:

 

As the fight to certify the election rages on, and the recounts are being conducted, some new data has come to light

 

Rafay (2): MK, Lww
Lww (2): Kevin, Rafay
Kevin
Tw
Mk
lyner
Torres
WP

 

The votes are pretty tight, but there was some Voters fraud found.  More dead people are voting, and KevinH has been accused of voting twice.   Kind of shocking coming from a republican.  Stay tuned for more details

[lilweirdward]

Lol come on, you can't be serious. There's a ton of advantage to putting a vote on your scum partner when it seems obvious that they're going to be lynched anyway, because it makes you seem townie for exactly the reason you just described (why would scum kill their own partner when they could've tried to save them?). It's far more dangerous for scum to try to jump on opposing wagons, since those are usually the first to get analyzed once a lynched player flips scum, and for all of Rafay's weird style, he's obviously experienced enough to know that.

I could flip the same question around a bit: why would he help hammer someone who replaced a completely inactive player and was actually trying, if he didn't already know they were scum? There was zero indication Robert/Dontavian was scum from what I could tell, and while I doubt the people who started the wagon were scum (literally no reason to start a wagon to bus your newly replaced partner), I am very suspicious of the players who otherwise should've had no reason to hammer a player who was actually trying and had just joined the game. I don't really follow how you don't see that as suspicious at all.

He did not need to vote, he can just hide within the non-voters. There were 4 non-voters so it's very a safe position.

At that point Dontavian only has one vote difference to MK (3 votes & 2 votes), so it's not "obvious" that Dontavian will be lynched. The Rafay vote sealed Dontavian's fate.

You're completely ignoring the whole "bussing your scum partner" angle, and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not, but it feels suspicious. Plus this whole "Rafay can't be the bad guy, he voted for scum!" act, coupled with leaning on the scales yesterday to get Tony lynched instead of the person with the next highest votes (conveniently also Rafay again) really feels scummy.

It mostly only makes sense if Rafay flips scum, so I'm keeping my vote where it's at since my whole theory about this game so far breaks down if he's somehow town. If it works out the way I think it will though, I think we may have found our two remaining scum.

[Lord MK]

Although i agree that Rafay is mostly likely scum.
You can't just assume that just cause someone bussed their partner in a game, that it is suddenly the norm.

Bussing is an exception and unless evidence points to it, should not be the reason to vote.
It's still safer to not bus your partner until the last moment.

[Rafay]

Although i agree that Rafay is mostly likely scum. You can't just assume that just cause someone bussed their partner in a game, that it is suddenly the norm.

 

Exactly I mean there has been a trend of bussing recently but that doesnt mean that tactic will be done to death. 

[lilweirdward]

Although i agree that Rafay is mostly likely scum.
You can't just assume that just cause someone bussed their partner in a game, that it is suddenly the norm.

Bussing is an exception and unless evidence points to it, should not be the reason to vote.
It's still safer to not bus your partner until the last moment.

No of course not, I agree. You don't gain anything in game by losing a scum partner, and unless you do it perfectly, it doesn't always work anyway in terms of getting people to believe you're town. It's the epitome of high risk high reward.

I obviously could be wrong about Rafay, but it really feels like all the clues are there that you're supposed to pick up on. Unvoting to take the heat off a newly replaced player, but then not contributing anything else except to essentially hammer him for no reason (again, I don't think anyone has given any reason we should have suspected Don was scum other than Robert was MIA, which doesn't mean anything) and then brag about it the next day is pretty textbook. Plus this is kind of the most obvious evidence for me, but there's also the fact that he's made several comments asking town who their suspects are, fishing for people to justify why he should vote for Tony, the double Finster kills. So it's not like I'm hanging my entire case on him bussing Don, although I think it's more suspicious than some people are giving credit for.

[Lord MK]

We can't no lynch. This is a brewers game.
So in that situation, with no other information, dontavian seemed the best lynch target.

And bragging about things after the fact is basically what Rafay does.
I would be more suspicious if he didn't brag.

For me, the biggest evidence is the double kills of the Baby.

[Wolfpacks]

I was just at 2 votes, jeez.
One was Lww who is auto disqualified and the other is WP who is still not dead.

So i wasn't a lynch target then, limey.
Stop twisting stuff.

I would vote for MK because he seems to have it in for me, but I don't want it to look like a OMGUS vote

But I'm holding out for a while longer

[Lord MK]

I don't have it in for you, jeez

[Lyner]

You're completely ignoring the whole "bussing your scum partner" angle, and I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not, but it feels suspicious. Plus this whole "Rafay can't be the bad guy, he voted for scum!" act, coupled with leaning on the scales yesterday to get Tony lynched instead of the person with the next highest votes (conveniently also Rafay again) really feels scummy. It mostly only makes sense if Rafay flips scum, so I'm keeping my vote where it's at since my whole theory about this game so far breaks down if he's somehow town. If it works out the way I think it will though, I think we may have found our two remaining scum.

 

I'm just explaining my train of thought, not defending Rafay. Not sure how that warrants this kind of overblown response. Did I hit the mark?

 

It's interesting that you bring up "bussing", since you did put the 4th vote on Robert but didn't vote Donta.

 

Fun fact: Everyone who voted for Robert also voted for Dontavian, except LWW.

 

 

Vote: LWW