Mad17
Mimicking Season 6 of the Mafia Championship
Setup: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/21905-Season-6-General-Information "Season 6 Setup & Mechanics"
13x Town
4x Mafia
 
Of the following 18 roles, 1 will randomly be discarded and the other 17 will be assigned at random to one player in the game without regard for the player's alignment.
Each role is restricted to using its action only on the nights listed on the chart.
The Mafia will be told which role is not present in the game.

Role   Acts On These Nights   Modifier

• Watcher n1 Only Macho
• Watcher n2 Only
• Alignment Cop n2 Only 1x Ninja
• Alignment Cop n3 Only 1x Ninja
• Vigilante n2 Only
• Vigilante n3 Only
• Doctor n1, n3
• Doctor n2, n4
• Tracker n1, n3 1x Strongman
• Tracker n2, n4 1x Strongman
• Jailkeeper n1, n3
• Jailkeeper n2, n4
• Roleblocker n1, n3
• Roleblocker n2, n4
• Role Cop n1, n2, n3 1x Strongman
• Jack of All Trades (Role Cop, Tracker, Roleblocker) n1, n2, n3
• Jack of All Trades (Doctor, Jailkeeper, Voyeur) n1, n2, n3
• Voyeur n1, n2, n3, n4 1x Strongman

MECHANICS

• Role reveals at death are alignment only. You will not learn a player's exact role when they die.
• Usage of night actions is optional, but unused actions will be lost.
• Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
• Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity and all other evil factions have been eliminated at any time.
• Votes are automatically locked in at LYLO.
• No Lynching is enabled. Vote for No Lynch to forgo a lynch that Day.
• Mafia factional kills are optional. Mafia may submit a factional kill each night, but are not required to. However, starting night 5, the factional kill will be mandatory.
• Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
• Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
• Mafia members may perform the faction kill in addition to their regular action at the same time.
• Mafia may communicate at any time.
• Tied votes will result in a player being lynched at random from among the tied players. Ties can't occur.

Lilweirdward, townie, killed Night 1

Robert2424, townie, killed Night 2

Torres951, mafia, lynched Day 3

Lord MK, townie, killed Night 3

The Warrior, townie, killed Night 3

Finster Baby, townie, lynched Day 4

Rafay, mafia, lynched Day 5
Kaziocore, townie, killed Night 5
Dontavian, townie, killed Night 6
Velocity, townie, lynched Day 7
Chaplain of death, townie, killed Night 7

Wolfpacks, townie, lynched Day 8

Ali bin Turban Captainjf, townie
Brewersalliance, mafia
Ferastical, townie
Lyner, mafia
Tony Maurice, townie

and even if you say oops, you forgot the scum get four of those roles, you still have no idea what those roles are.  

 

you are therefor relying on a couple things:  the RNG workts out in the towns favor

 

and the town players will randomly guess the scum players with their actions

 

if we just vote no lynvh every day, no one will have a single reason for who they pick for their actions other than guessing.  so the game will come down to pure dumb luck

 

if town manages to miss scum with their actions and we no lynch every single day scum will have a HUGE edge.  we will have nothing to go off for future days, and we will have three dead townies and no idea who might or might not be scum, and then we will also have no more actions that can be done.  this is a terrible strategy IMO and as to me, it relies solely on pure luck.  And when you factor in how poor the strategy is with you competently leaving out the fact that scum get 4 of the roles and 1 is discarded while making it look like town has more abilities than they really do, i think there is a chance you are scum and were trying to come up with a strategy that appears pro town when in reality it is not pro town.  

 

and it seemed to have worked at first, as we did get someone to post saying they think you are town because of this.  but when you actually dig into the strategy, it is not pro town, and it is filled with inaccuracies/misinformation about the distribution of roles

 

 

Do you prefer Autocrat? or the classic, Tyrant? You did ask for a thesaurus.

 

 

trump is none of the above.  god i hate how liberals always just claim Republicans are dictators or fascists or nazis.  You guys clearly have no idea what any of those words mean or what its like to actually live under a regime by someone who is one of those things.  its pathetic, sad and just down right ignorant.  OMG trump says things in his tweets that hurt my feelings... yeah that does not equal any of that stuff.  

and even if you say oops, you forgot the scum get four of those roles, you still have no idea what those roles are.

 

you are therefor relying on a couple things: the RNG workts out in the towns favor

 

and the town players will randomly guess the scum players with their actions

 

if we just vote no lynvh every day, no one will have a single reason for who they pick for their actions other than guessing. so the game will come down to pure dumb luck

 

if town manages to miss scum with their actions and we no lynch every single day scum will have a HUGE edge. we will have nothing to go off for future days, and we will have three dead townies and no idea who might or might not be scum, and then we will also have no more actions that can be done. this is a terrible strategy IMO and as to me, it relies solely on pure luck.

I'm slammed at work and will respond more to this later tonight, but this is almost totally not true.

 

First of all you're suggesting that 13 townies with nearly 30 actions (minus the scum ones) will all miss catching any scum at all, which would be the worst luck in mafia history and is essentially not possible. By D4 we'll almost surely have at least some real info to go off of, if not multiple solid hits. Even if town did magically only hit other townies with all of their actions, a ton of those actions are some sort of investigative action, which helps us rule out potential candidates for scum. So the idea that we'll start D4 with zero information is just complete nonsense.

 

Secondly, we have a huge numbers advantage as town right now, and getting to D4 with no lost townies other than NK will still leave us with 10 to 4, which is 3.5 mislynches still available to put all the pieces together with the information collected (the 0.5 is because we can't mislynch a 4th time, but we can no-lynch to drag the game out an extra night/day if necessary). If we can't win with 25-30 data points plus 3.5 days of lynching, then we are truly doomed. The alternative is to basically risk killing off useful town roles just to get to D4 with a few trains to analyze and only 2 mislynches left, assuming we don't catch scum by that point. I don't see how it's not way riskier to do it that way.

 

Also it's stupid that I'm even responding to this, but I never said that town got all 17 roles' worth of actions, it's just that almost none of those actions are useful to scum except to make the game more confusing if they're good enough. Like, what is a mafia going to do knowing what my role is or who I visit? The only roles that are useful to them at all are the role blocking ones, but that doesn't help them after N4.

Yes, but the 4 roles being with the scum keeps them from being used by town

Which basically eliminate their advantage to town.

Since we are no lynching 3 days in a row, the PRs have to random guess.

But that doesn't happen.

They will all pick a few players.

Like most likely brewers n1 and then TW and then use every single killing action on me.

 

So a lot of actions will just cancel each other out

 

 

Whereas with vote analysis, PRs can make more informed choices.

There are lots of roles that are useful to the scum. Role cop is a very useful scum role. There are ninja roles, vigilante roles that can let the scum has multiple kills in one night, strongman roles, roleblocker roles.

 

Now you're trying to make it seem like scum do not have any useful roles lol

 

And I'm driving right now but when I get back to work I'll break down why the math is also not the best math per your strategy

 

 

First of all you're suggesting that 13 townies with nearly 30 actions (minus the scum ones) will all miss catching any scum at all, which would be the worst luck in mafia history and is essentially not possible. By D4 we'll almost surely have at least some real info to go off of, if not multiple solid hits. Even if town did magically only hit other townies with all of their actions, a ton of those actions are some sort of investigative action, which helps us rule out potential candidates for scum. So the idea that we'll start D4 with zero information is just complete nonsense.

 

 

aprox 1/4 of the players in this game are scum.  therefore, statistically, scum will have 1/4 of those 30 actions. or around 6-7.  so town will only have 23 of those actions

 

N1, with 9 total actions, means 2 of them will statistically be scum actions, giving town a total of 7 actions.  16 total targets for each action, 4 scum and 12 town, giving each action a 75% chance of hitting town and only a 25% chance of hitting scum.  the cops will only have reputation to go off, thus greatly increasing the chance they both pick the same person.  so saying

 

n2, we dont know how many players will still be alive so we dont know how many total actions will actually be available.  but lets just say somehow all 10 of the night actions for night 2 are still around, statically, rounding up, 3 of them will be scum.  so again only 7 actions for the town and about a 3/4 chance the actions hit town.  remember, each action will be independent of the other actions, so the odds dont go up when one action hits town, its the same 3/4 odds per action.  

 

night 3 same thing, dont know how many will be alive, and at this point it is even less likely all actions will still be in play, but if they are, the odds are again the same for the hitting of the players.

 

now we have to look at a few more factors that are in play.  MK is right, actions are usually done on specific players when nothing is known.  no one will also know who is being targeted so actions could double up on players.  and actions can also fail and be blocked.  and as players die, with this format, unless a vig gets lucky and randomly guesses a scum to shoot, the only roles that we lose will be town roles.  so the towns chances of actually finding a scum while we no lynch go down. we then will have nothing to go off for the choices.  so people will just pick the players that are always picked.  protection will be given to those worthy of it, ie) torres would most likely not draw a doctor.  soi= saying it would be the worst luck in mafia history to not hit mafia is just plain wrong.  when you really look into it, there are far less chances of success than you think.  

 

Secondly, we have a huge numbers advantage as town right now, and getting to D4 with no lost townies other than NK will still leave us with 10 to 4, which is 3.5 mislynches still available to put all the pieces together with the information collected (the 0.5 is because we can't mislynch a 4th time, but we can no-lynch to drag the game out an extra night/day if necessary). If we can't win with 25-30 data points plus 3.5 days of lynching, then we are truly doomed. The alternative is to basically risk killing off useful town roles just to get to D4 with a few trains to analyze and only 2 mislynches left, assuming we don't catch scum by that point. I don't see how it's not way riskier to do it that way.

 

 

you also dont know that.  if scum drew any of the vig roles, there could be less info to go off.  and all these data points you are mentioning wont be public unless every person role claims today and then posts exactly what they did every single day and what the results are.  

 

Also it's stupid that I'm even responding to this, but I never said that town got all 17 roles' worth of actions, it's just that almost none of those actions are useful to scum except to make the game more confusing if they're good enough. Like, what is a mafia going to do knowing what my role is or who I visit? The only roles that are useful to them at all are the role blocking ones, but that doesn't help them after N4.

 

 

i think i broke this down before but there are a lot of useful roles for the mafia, AND they can also keep useful roles away from the town. mafia knowing your role is HUGE.  it helps them determine who to kill and how to play the game.  you are vastly dismissing the power of the roles mafia could end up with and completely discounting the fact that town losing a lot of these roles when the scum get them as well.

 

voting for people gives us something to go off.  plus the only thing in the game town can actually control is the lynch.  no lynching for three straight days takes that power away from us and gives all the power to the scum.  we will have no ability to analyze wagons, or know how people flip.  everything will be just random.  

 

i really hope you are just a misguided townie.  this would be awful if you are scum.  you would have singled yourself out in a huge way, and you have provided a lot of misinformation and ignored a lot of relevant stuff with this.  if its a scum move, its awful and just asking you to be lynched lol.  and i dont like to think u would screw up this bad d1 as a scum player.  however, unless we are presented with a viable alternative, i will be keeping my vote on you

 

 

Normally I'd go no lynch first day but not sure if he still wants to play

 

VOTE ROBERT

Vote robert

 

Apathy.

Way to help increases my interest in mafia in general. Plus blitz voting me worked so well for you guys in the other game.

Try and help a friend out and they jump down your throat, ok get bored in your own time

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE NO LYNCH

 

Now you are just pulling random words out of the bag.

 

Trump is like the opposite of tyranny, he's the popular candidate.

Sleepy Joe is the true Autocract.

Just like Obama was.

They are also pussies, having the most drone strikes in American history.

If you are going to attack a country, attack them face to face, not from the safe places of liberal California.

 

Cause no matter the flaws of Bush, he atleast sent actual troops, unlike the democrat snowflakes.

 

 

 

 

Do you prefer Autocrat? or the classic, Tyrant? You did ask for a thesaurus.

 

 

trump is none of the above.  god i hate how liberals always just claim Republicans are dictators or fascists or nazis.  You guys clearly have no idea what any of those words mean or what its like to actually live under a regime by someone who is one of those things.  its pathetic, sad and just down right ignorant.  OMG trump says things in his tweets that hurt my feelings... yeah that does not equal any of that stuff.  

 

 

 

Calm it down kiddo's this is the mafia thread not  the politics sub. I threw it out for lolz when brewers made the liberal comment. MK accidently said thesaurus so was essentially obligated to troll just a little further      . Not going to go further into it here despite my our disagreements because this isn't the place for that discussion. Don't muddy the waters to boost your activity level with things that aren't related to the game. I threw out a lolz vote in response to brewers lolz vote, that was all it was meant to be.

 

 

 

 

Normally I'd go no lynch first day but not sure if he still wants to play

 

VOTE ROBERT

 

 

Vote robert

 

Apathy.

Way to help increases my interest in mafia in general. Plus blitz voting me worked so well for you guys in the other game. 

 

 

 

Voting is a way to prod activity as long as it isn't a full wagon, you should be well aware of that considering how much you've played mafia Robert. If you don't like it be active  .

 

 

 

Now you are just pulling random words out of the bag.

 

Trump is like the opposite of tyranny, he's the popular candidate.

Sleepy Joe is the true Autocract.

Just like Obama was.

They are also pussies, having the most drone strikes in American history.

If you are going to attack a country, attack them face to face, not from the safe places of liberal California.

 

Cause no matter the flaws of Bush, he atleast sent actual troops, unlike the democrat snowflakes.

 

 

Do you prefer Autocrat? or the classic, Tyrant? You did ask for a thesaurus.

 

trump is none of the above. god i hate how liberals always just claim Republicans are dictators or fascists or nazis. You guys clearly have no idea what any of those words mean or what its like to actually live under a regime by someone who is one of those things. its pathetic, sad and just down right ignorant. OMG trump says things in his tweets that hurt my feelings... yeah that does not equal any of that stuff.

 

Calm it down kiddo's this is the mafia thread not the politics sub. I threw it out for lolz when brewers made the liberal comment. MK accidently said thesaurus so was essentially obligated to troll just a little further . Not going to go further into it here despite my our disagreements because this isn't the place for that discussion. Don't muddy the waters to boost your activity level with things that aren't related to the game. I threw out a lolz vote in response to brewers lolz vote, that was all it was meant to be.

 

 

 

 

Normally I'd go no lynch first day but not sure if he still wants to play

 

VOTE ROBERT

Vote robert

 

Apathy.

Way to help increases my interest in mafia in general. Plus blitz voting me worked so well for you guys in the other game.

 

Voting is a way to prod activity as long as it isn't a full wagon, you should be well aware of that considering how much you've played mafia Robert. If you don't like it be active .

Says the guy posting and calling trump a tyrant to boost his post count

 

Says the guy posting and calling trump a tyrant to boost his post count

 

 

Hey man, I did the first one because we were still in the lolz vote stage, and you said vote someone out for being liberal so I figured I'd respond in kind 

After that, I mean come on, I can't not respond to someone telling me to "get a Thesaurus". I get what he intended but I couldn't help but make fun of it since he decided to bite on the political aspect. You know you would have too if it was a lefty lol. I just don't want us to get bogged down into a political argument when we are all here to play Mafia, there's a sub for that and this ain't it.

 

 

 

 

Now you are just pulling random words out of the bag.

 

Trump is like the opposite of tyranny, he's the popular candidate.

Sleepy Joe is the true Autocract.

Just like Obama was.

They are also pussies, having the most drone strikes in American history.

If you are going to attack a country, attack them face to face, not from the safe places of liberal California.

 

Cause no matter the flaws of Bush, he atleast sent actual troops, unlike the democrat snowflakes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you prefer Autocrat? or the classic, Tyrant? You did ask for a thesaurus.

 

 

trump is none of the above.  god i hate how liberals always just claim Republicans are dictators or fascists or nazis.  You guys clearly have no idea what any of those words mean or what its like to actually live under a regime by someone who is one of those things.  its pathetic, sad and just down right ignorant.  OMG trump says things in his tweets that hurt my feelings... yeah that does not equal any of that stuff.  

 

 

 

 

Calm it down kiddo's this is the mafia thread not  the politics sub. I threw it out for lolz when brewers made the liberal comment. MK accidently said thesaurus so was essentially obligated to troll just a little further      . Not going to go further into it here despite my our disagreements because this isn't the place for that discussion. Don't muddy the waters to boost your activity level with things that aren't related to the game. I threw out a lolz vote in response to brewers lolz vote, that was all it was meant to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Normally I'd go no lynch first day but not sure if he still wants to play

 

VOTE ROBERT

 

 

 

 

Vote robert

 

Apathy.

 

 

Way to help increases my interest in mafia in general. Plus blitz voting me worked so well for you guys in the other game. 

 

 

 

 

Voting is a way to prod activity as long as it isn't a full wagon, you should be well aware of that considering how much you've played mafia Robert. If you don't like it be active  .

you completely either misread what was said or skimmed it.

 

Vote Count

Lilweirdward (4): Torres951, Lord MK, Brewersalliance, Finster Baby,

Brewersalliance (3): Robert2424, Rafay, Chaplain of death,

Robert2424 (1): Tony Maurice,

Rafay (1): Kaziocore,

The Warrior (0):

Kaziocore (0):

Ali bin Turban

Chaplain of death

Dontavian

Ferastical

Finster Baby

Lord MK

Lyner

Tony Maurice

Torres951

Velocity

Wolfpacks

 

No Lynch (2): Lilweirdward, Wolfpacks,

 

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, Dontavian, Ferastical, Lyner, The Warrior, Velocity,

 

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

There is not a deadline half-majority lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, December 30 at 17:00 EST

 

If anybody goes inactive during the holidays, I forgive you.

 

 

 

Says the guy posting and calling trump a tyrant to boost his post count

 

 

Hey man, I did the first one because we were still in the lolz vote stage, and you said vote someone out for being liberal so I figured I'd respond in kind 

After that, I mean come on, I can't not respond to someone telling me to "get a Thesaurus". I get what he intended but I couldn't help but make fun of it since he decided to bite on the political aspect. You know you would have too if it was a lefty lol. I just don't want us to get bogged down into a political argument when we are all here to play Mafia, there's a sub for that and this ain't it.

 

u must not have followed our games recently.  most people dont start taking the game seriously until like day 4 lol

I'd agree to no lynch only on D1

 

 

 

 

 

Says the guy posting and calling trump a tyrant to boost his post count

 

Hey man, I did the first one because we were still in the lolz vote stage, and you said vote someone out for being liberal so I figured I'd respond in kind

After that, I mean come on, I can't not respond to someone telling me to "get a Thesaurus". I get what he intended but I couldn't help but make fun of it since he decided to bite on the political aspect. You know you would have too if it was a lefty lol. I just don't want us to get bogged down into a political argument when we are all here to play Mafia, there's a sub for that and this ain't it.

Ah well you were sprouting stuff from BuzzFeed, so not exactly the brightest bulbs on the internet.

And if you actually knew what those words meant, you wouldn't have used them to describe trump, who is far from it.

Politics a great way to spoil the mood 😂😂

 

 

I'd agree to no lynch only on D1  

 

Wait when did you get possessed by Kevin. Just cuz he's a mod rn u dont need to b afraid of him and act out his fantasies.

 

 

 

olitics a great way to spoil the mood

 

Understandable but no conversation is complete w/o it. Its a great ice breaker imo just like sports or religion. 

 

 

Understandable but no conversation is complete w/o it. Its a great ice breaker imo just like sports or religion. 

 

especially on a first date.  nothing will get you in her pants quicker than talking about God, Guns, and Donald Trump 

 

Understandable but no conversation is complete w/o it. Its a great ice breaker imo just like sports or religion. 

 

especially on a first date.  nothing will get you in her pants quicker than talking about God, Guns, and Donald Trump 

 

Is that how you met your girlfriend? 

I was going to go back and quote everything, but that's a lot of effort that I don't have the energy for right now lol.

 

We should 100% no lynch today, I think it's beyond stupid to risk killing a useful role at this stage in the game when we know that all players are PRs that can only be activated for the next 4 nights. On that same point though, I don't see why we wouldn't want to maximize 1) the total information we have available to us, and 2) the total number of players alive to provide their information once their role becomes useless. Lynching early in the game when the highest percentage of players are town damages us on both of those points, and it shortens the game in a setup where time is very much on our side. Of course there's some risk that it won't work anyway, but that's how every mafia game works, and at least the open setup should give us a chance to strategize the best approach possible. 

 

This is one of those situations where I really wish AbT was active and around, since he would at least help tally up the numbers and provide some good probabilities, which would make me feel better about either approach.

 

I'd agree to no lynch only on D1  

 

Wait when did you get possessed by Kevin. Just cuz he's a mod rn u dont need to b afraid of him and act out his fantasies.

Kevin is my spirit animal

Vote Count

Lilweirdward (4): Torres951, Lord MK, Brewersalliance, Finster Baby,
Brewersalliance (3): Robert2424, Rafay, Chaplain of death,
Robert2424 (1): Tony Maurice,
Rafay (1): Kaziocore,
The Warrior (0):
Kaziocore (0):
Ali bin Turban
Chaplain of death
Dontavian
Ferastical
Finster Baby
Lord MK
Lyner
Tony Maurice
Torres951
Velocity
Wolfpacks

No Lynch (2): Lilweirdward, Wolfpacks,

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, Dontavian, Ferastical, Lyner, The Warrior, Velocity,

 
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
There is not a deadline half-majority lynch.
Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, December 30 at 17:00 EST

Feel free to act out my fantasies!

 

 

I was going to go back and quote everything, but that's a lot of effort that I don't have the energy for right now lol.   We should 100% no lynch today, I think it's beyond stupid to risk killing a useful role at this stage in the game when we know that all players are PRs that can only be activated for the next 4 nights. On that same point though, I don't see why we wouldn't want to maximize 1) the total information we have available to us, and 2) the total number of players alive to provide their information once their role becomes useless. Lynching early in the game when the highest percentage of players are town damages us on both of those points, and it shortens the game in a setup where time is very much on our side. Of course there's some risk that it won't work anyway, but that's how every mafia game works, and at least the open setup should give us a chance to strategize the best approach possible.    This is one of those situations where I really wish AbT was active and around, since he would at least help tally up the numbers and provide some good probabilities, which would make me feel better about either approach.

 

You want some numbers? How about this - if we don't lynch... there's a 100% chance we won't lynch scum today! Then again, there's also a 100% chance of not lynching a townie. I guess it's up to yourself to choose which side of the coin you find positive.   Seeing as we have 12 DAYS left, I don't really feel rushed to vote on anyone.

 

Also, sorry for my inactivity. Have been busy making a list of the top 10 people I'm going to kill first in this gam

There's a 76% chance that any lynch candidate is town today, so not exactly a flip of the coin lol.

There's a 76% chance that any lynch candidate is town today, so not exactly a flip of the coin lol.

I’m sort of on the fence, but looking at it how ferastical said it, if we don’t lynch we have a 0% chance of lynching a townie, but we also have a 0% chance of lynching a scum. If we do lynch, we have a ~24% chance to hit scum, and a ~76% chance (as lww said) of hitting town. That’s about it a 1/4 chance of hitting scum. If we did lynch scum, it would be very helpful to town. If we lynch town, it increases the chances we have of hitting scum in a further day, but also brings lylo closer. What we have here is basically early-game mafia, do we lynch and risk hitting town but maybe just hit scum?

I’m holding off for now.

 

My birthday is tomorrow, and it’s the start of my Christmas vacation so I might not post the next day or two.