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[KevinH]

Day 2 ends.

Vote count:

Zacch (1): Northern Empire,
Imran Ehsan (0):
Captainjf (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
iSocialism (0):
Northern Empire (0):

No-lynch (1): Zacch,

Not voting: Imran Ehsan, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism, Captainjf,

 
Nobody is lynched.

It is now Night 2.

Please send all actions by Monday, December 11 at 23:00 EST.
 

[KevinH]

Night 2 ends.

Captainjf, Sane Cop, has been killed in the night.

It is now Day 3.

Vote count:

Zacch (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
iSocialism (0):
Northern Empire (0):

No-lynch (0):

Not voting: Imran Ehsan, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism, Northern Empire, Zacch,

 
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is Sunday, December 17 at 21:00 EST.
 

[captainjf]

[Northern Empire]

and the field narrows, 

[Imran Ehsan]

Well, no lynching to give the cop time to find scum backfired spectacularly.

I wonder if they got a lucky shot and hit the cop or if capt had left some clue in his earlier posts that gave him away.

[Imran Ehsan]

With no lynch wagons to go in and no info going to be forthcoming from cop, we have no choice but to analyze caps posts on D2 and see if there are any clues there.

 

1. First he was concerned with the quick "bandwagon" of COD and NE with his post.

2. Next we posted he was leaning towards voting for Zacch

3. He wanted clarifcation from NE on his post that Zacch had pointed his finger at him

4. From his last post, it seemed like he would cast a vote before deadline, but at the end did not and let the day end with no lynch.

 

It seems clear he did not find scum from his N1 investigation or he would have come out more strongly against identified scum, if not outright fingered him. It seems clear he did not investigate Zacch or he wouldnt have been leaning towards voting him. Also possible he did not investigate COD or NE as he questioned their moves.

 

points to note:

1. NE did not reply to caps question and ignored it

2. Zacch seemed to have been on caps radar for scum but him not voting for him at end of day seems to indicate he did not have confirmation

3. isoc had only 1 post on D2 and had no more participations for the day.

 

I think we have reached a LYLO situation now, 3 town, 2 scum. A mislynch today ends the game. But no lynching means no wagons and nothing to go on again on D4 with dead cop. So we need hit scum with lynch today.

[KevinH]

Vote count:

Zacch (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
iSocialism (0):
Northern Empire (0):

No-lynch (0):

Not voting: Imran Ehsan, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism, Northern Empire, Zacch,

 
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is Sunday, December 17 at 21:00 EST.
 

[Zacch]

The lack of posting is going to make this very difficult. Do we assume that people who post once a game day are scum trying to lay low or are they just inactive town? Outside of my vote for no-lynch and NE's vote for me, nobody else voted yesterday. When 80% of the participants are not even voting, what information do we even have to go off of?

 

We are two (2) real days into Day 3 and outside of Imran's post nobody else has contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way. The lack of discussion is going to make today's vote a crap shoot.

[Northern Empire]

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

[Chaplain of death]

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him. 

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.) 

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win. 

[Imran Ehsan]

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills,

on that logic and knowing i am not scum,

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip.

Vote: Imran

Apart from you no one voted to lynch on D2. Only Zach voted no lynch. COD and cap also withheld from voting and isoc disappeared. However it's interesting that you are singling me out only.

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills,

on that logic and knowing i am not scum,

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip.

Vote: Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him.

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.)

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win.

With the gov in play I doubt the scum will try to bandwagon on in a mislynch.

[Zacch]

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

 

No lynch yesterday favored town. If we had mislynched yesterday it would be 2v2 today and scum could have come out the gate with 2 votes to win the game (first to 2 votes gets lynched at deadline).

 

No lynch yesterday has kept us alive for one more day.

 

Do you not understand that fact?

[KevinH]

Vote count:

Imran Ehsan (1): Northern Empire,
Zacch (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
iSocialism (0):
Northern Empire (0):

No-lynch (0):

Not voting: Imran Ehsan, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism, Zacch,

 
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is Sunday, December 17 at 21:00 EST.

I will also confirm that in the event of a tie at deadline the first to get the votes gets lynched.

(In a previous game, I announced it would be random)

 

I sort the vote count by tie breaks.

[Zacch]

 

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him. 

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.) 

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win. 

 

 

The governor role is still in play, we just have never hit the vote threshold to hammer anyone yet so that role has been negated by inactivity.

 

But if Scum did bandwagon and that resulted in a hammer, the governor could step in during twilight to stop it.

[iSocialism]

 

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him. 

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.) 

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win. 

 

I have not claimed busy in RL this game.

 

Day two, there was not much to glean or talk about, so no reason to post fluff.

 

Going back through the days, you really haven't added much besides being a mirror to what Imran is posting.

[Imran Ehsan]

I am still waiting on clarification from NE regarding his vote on me.

Going back to my earlier post, based on catains posts on D2, I am going to say cap investigated either me or isoc on N1 and came out with town result. With godfather in game this doesn't confirm anything but we can assume the other scum is one of NE, Cod or Zacch.

I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

[iSocialism]

I am still waiting on clarification from NE regarding his vote on me.

Going back to my earlier post, based on catains posts on D2, I am going to say cap investigated either me or isoc on N1 and came out with town result. With godfather in game this doesn't confirm anything but we can assume the other scum is one of NE, Cod or Zacch.

I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

Can you point to what posts make you feel this way?

[Zacch]

I am still waiting on clarification from NE regarding his vote on me.

Going back to my earlier post, based on catains posts on D2, I am going to say cap investigated either me or isoc on N1 and came out with town result. With godfather in game this doesn't confirm anything but we can assume the other scum is one of NE, Cod or Zacch.

I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

 

I don't think we have enough information to draw a conclusion on who Cap investigated on night 1. In the instance of NE, CoD and Myself, Cap raised suspicion of the ease at which CoD and NE agreed with his assessment. And in my case, being voted on by NE after I voted no lynch.

 

Its more than possible in any of those three (3) instances, he could have been trying to bait scum out by presenting false suspicion of someone he knew was town to see if anyone would try to bandwagon. Especially with a Governor Role in play who could protect town against a quick hammer by scum. 

[Chaplain of death]

 

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills,

on that logic and knowing i am not scum,

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip.

Vote: Imran

Apart from you no one voted to lynch on D2. Only Zach voted no lynch. COD and cap also withheld from voting and isoc disappeared. However it's interesting that you are singling me out only.

 

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills,

on that logic and knowing i am not scum,

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip.

Vote: Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him.

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.)

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win.

With the gov in play I doubt the scum will try to bandwagon on in a mislynch.

 

 

 

 

 

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him. 

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.) 

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win. 

 

 

The governor role is still in play, we just have never hit the vote threshold to hammer anyone yet so that role has been negated by inactivity.

 

But if Scum did bandwagon and that resulted in a hammer, the governor could step in during twilight to stop it.

 

 

You are both correct, I've been misremembering the Governor role for some reason thinking it was a one time claim to get a extra vote role (which is mayor iirc.) My bad for being incorrectly alarmist about the early vote.
 

 

 

so no lynch favors the scum and we have seen Zacch and Imran both vote for no lynch, they could have used those opportunities to get the kills, 

 

on that logic and knowing i am not scum, 

 

and i make this selection simply on a 50/50 coin flip. 

 

Vote:  Imran

No lynch votes do not inherently favor scum. Doing so now would favor scum. We had hoped to buy time for the cop to get some results to claim but the scum got lucky and killed him. 

iSoc has been very quiet through Day 2 and no posts yet Day 3 (though I hadn't posted today yet either until now.) 

It seemed oddly convenient that other than the posts at the beginning of the day where Imran attempted to paint himself as a townie which initiated an argument he disappeared until the end of the day and then dropped a "sorry Ive been busy with IRL". Entirely possible but seems a little odd.

Voting early on no information helps scum immensely if you are town. If you vote a townie they can both bandwagon the vote through, which will guarantee them a win. 

 

I have not claimed busy in RL this game.

 

Day two, there was not much to glean or talk about, so no reason to post fluff.

 

Going back through the days, you really haven't added much besides being a mirror to what Imran is posting.

 

My reference to claiming being busy IRL was in reference to Imran, which is why that sentence refers to Imran. I try to skip lines when I'm moving to my next point, so the fact that the previous sentence was about you was not supposed to inform the topic of the next sentence. I understand most people do not post in that format, so it isn't inherently obvious.

I'm not sure what you mean by being a mirror to what Imran is posting? I was pretty active and involved in the discussions on D2. I understand you may have missed most of that discussion since you didn't really participate on D2, but it seems a bit odd to now go back after you've been missing from all discussion and accuse me of not having "added much".

[Imran Ehsan]

 

I am still waiting on clarification from NE regarding his vote on me.

Going back to my earlier post, based on catains posts on D2, I am going to say cap investigated either me or isoc on N1 and came out with town result. With godfather in game this doesn't confirm anything but we can assume the other scum is one of NE, Cod or Zacch.

I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

Can you point to what posts make you feel this way?

 

 

I already game a summary on my post on 13th, I will post  here again in detail. Basically cap is the only one who knew something on D2, so instead of lynching blindly in a LYLO situation my point is to go for the lynch based on his posts on D2.

 

1. 1st post "Obvious? I'm not so sure, but it does give us something to talk about" -> this againt my assumption that scum may have killed LS because he and I voted for each other on D1. Not much to say here but from this post it can be said even thought he thought it unlikely, he was open to the possibility that I suggested.

 

2. 2nd post "While I am happy that others agree with my statements, I find it very curious that they followed me like an easy to follow bandwagon..." This in response to posts from COD and NE basically saying the same thing as what he said, that it was a stretch to assume the reason for LS kill. iSoc and Zacch posted it was more likely LS was killed because he is an actiove player.

 

3. 3rd post "Hold up, just another "lazy" observation, but if there is a mislynch today, doesn't mafia win?" in response to Zacch saying COD made a "lazy" assumption. Seems to be he is agreeing with Zacch here.

 

4. 4th post "I agree and I'm leaning that way myself, but would like to hear a bit more before putting an official vote. Actually, NE, where did Zaach point the finger at you, I can't seem to recall." Here he mentioned he is leaning towards voting for Zacch but he also asked from clarification from NE.

 

5. Final post "Are we going to have any more opinions or responses in the next 14 hours? Inactivity always favors scum and I don't want to see that happen." Seems like he is wighing whether to vote for Zacch or hold back.

 

So from his posts I would say he got a town result on N1 investigation as he did not come out strongly for voting for anyone and at the end decided not to vote to lynch Zacch as well (he had 1 vote from NE on him at that point). He was suspicious of COD and NE trying to bandwagon with him (2nd post) but he said nothing regarding iSoc who was inactive apart from his 1st post. So my "assumption" is he did not investigate Zacch, COD or NE on N1, as he was suspicious of their posts. If he had investigated them and found them to be town he would not be suspicious. He was suspicious of Zacch but did not hammer him, which indicates he did not investigate Zacch on N1. He made no post about iSocs inactivity being suspicious, which might indicate he investigated him and found him to be town. He also raised the point of NE and COD trying to bandwagong with him about my post, which may indicate he invetigated me on N1 and found town and he was wary of scum trying to bandwagon on to someone whose result came up town. 

 

So my point is if he investigated me/isoc on N1 and found town, even taking into consideration of the Godfather, it is very likely that there is at least 1 scum in one of NE, Zacch or CoD if not both.

Its more than possible in any of those three (3) instances, he could have been trying to bait scum out by presenting false suspicion of someone he knew was town to see if anyone would try to bandwagon. Especially with a Governor Role in play who could protect town against a quick hammer by scum. 

 

This is also a possibility but I think unlikely. Even if he came up with a town result he will not be 100% confident because he may have investigated the godfather. So the other scum would not obviously rush to lynch his partner.