It was quiet that night in Arcanus, as usual. It was around midnight, and most everyone was in bed asleep, or getting ready to go to sleep. Suddenly, powerful explosions rocked the town. The whole town shook as though it was an earthquake. Out of some windows, you could see colourful flashes of light. Then it stopped. Puzzled, afraid, and intrigued, the townsfolk got out of bed to investigate. They found the fields of Farmer Joe scorched badly, and here and there it looked as though there had been an explosion. Talking amongst themselves and putting tow and tow together, they soon realized that these were no ordinary explosions; they were caused by magic. Everyone headed back to their homes in fear and awe wondering what would happen next...

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Ok I will be leaving in 3 hours for the province and I will only be able to log in sporadically until Monday. So if you have any insight Aquinas, I will very much appreciate it now.

 

SJ, where's the link of what you want us to read?

CD switches votes left and right.

 

AoD does an OMGUS, basically voting for EM to save his own skin. I'm predicting EM to do the same but is not voting for AoD yet, and I'm wondering why as well like CD.

 

People are second-guessing the mod.

 

SJ is super insistent on EM. mole is as insistent on AoD.

 

At the end of the day, the case against AoD is stronger given his own internal combustion all over this thread. SJ's belief is just that, a belief. We can't objectively assess his case for EM aside from believing him.

 

Yeah...I can't believe I'm flip-flopping like a fish

At least I'm staying with the 2 that I suspected in the first place.

Hey All ... yeah I've been kinda busy with all the new things going on

 

But I'll have something by the morning

I just want to start by saying I am very uncomfortable jumping into the end of the day and voting like this. I don't like be pressured but I understand the necessity and I am prepared to do it.

 

I am struck by one of the first posts in this thread from Electric Mango

 

Hello all, good to see so many familiar faces, and one new one as well.

 

Just to make sure everyone knows, I'm altering my playing style for this game, as I've already said during sign ups. I got tired of dying 1/2 way through the games for being so vocal. I'll probably go back to that style but I wanted to play it different for at least one game. Normally I would vote randomly here so instead I will...

 

Vote: No lynch

 

Not by the no lynch vote, I am happy to be in well after that debate is over, god spare me ever engaging in that circular argument again but, that he claimed he would be altering his play style. So, okay fine lets look for evidence of that. I don't see it. In the last game Electric Mango backed himself into a corner and continued to defend a loosing position on his way out. I didn't waver but instead stood his ground and was unable to convince enough that he was acting in the best interests of the town which if I remember correctly, he wasn't. I'm seeing this again here

 

I think that I have more votes than anyone right now so I'd like nothing more than to find someone else to start taking some heat but I really doubt that it's AoD. Mole did a very good analysis of AoD's posts but I don't get any scum tells from it. I tend to believe AoD's role claim about being the doc and here's why. Most games do have a doc role, AoD knows this as he has played many games before. If AoD role claimed he was the doc, the chances of the real doc calling him out would be too big of a risk to take if indeed AoD was scum.

 

While I like Mole's aggressiveness I think he's barking up the wrong tree and could be leading the town to our 2nd wrong lynch.

 

and here

 

I asked this question because it is my belief that there were more scum that did not vote for KevinH than there were who did. I believe this because KevinH had enough evidence against him that it was not necessary for scum to vote for his death. Scum would have liked to sit this one out and keep the attention on other well meaning townies.

 

My question was aimed at those people who voted for others Day1 to see what they had to say in hindsight about their votes. I think that scum would want to vote but lay it on someone who didn't have a good chance to be actually lynched. It's like saying, "I'm participating but I know that my votes won't kill any townies and thus bring less suspicion on me."

 

I've played enough games to understand that in order for scum to win the game they have to appear most townie like. Not voting to lynch townies is a good way to avoid detection. Once the scum saw how much trouble Kevin was getting into, it would seem obvious that they would not want to be associated with his death. This is also why I tend to believe Mole is pro-town because he and Martino were very vocal and not afraid to stick their necks out in regards to Kevin.

 

The defense of Angel of Doom is

 

If AoD role claimed he was the doc, the chances of the real doc calling him out would be too big of a risk to take if indeed AoD was scum.

 

which is silly. If the real doc did call him out he'd be a very easy lynch target. I say that because of Angel of Doom's continued inability to defend his role claim articulately. I'll get into that lately. You claim he has enough experience to back up his role claim and that I can not verify being new to mafia on these forums but, if he were truthfully role claiming I think he would be able to to a better job of illustrating his own role and paraphrasing convincingly enough to show his true role. More on that later. Point is, this defense is flimsy and works backwards.

 

This theory may be accurate

 

I asked this question because it is my belief that there were more scum that did not vote for KevinH than there were who did. I believe this because KevinH had enough evidence against him that it was not necessary for scum to vote for his death. Scum would have liked to sit this one out and keep the attention on other well meaning townies.

 

and is probably a likely strategy employed by the scum. However, couldn't the scum have been the first votes for him deciding to target him for their own private reason. This is the same sort of reasoning Electric Mango used in the last game when he asserted a role claim should be made by the doctor. Coincidence? It was the same obvious look past alternatives and implications. If the scum hoped in to convict him early as a target or they just slyly hoped on in the middle are just as likely scenarios as the one Electric Mango examines. If scum need to look like town to win, wouldn't a good way to do that be to vote for scum candidates? That's a pretty pro town looking move, isn't it? There was a lot of anti-Kevin H sympathy at the time and meshing into that fold and hunting a popular scum target would appear pretty town like.

 

FOS: Electric Mango

 

As for Angel of Doom; Angel of Doom has done an awful job of role claiming. He has done nothing to show he is reading from a role PM in his posts. It seems very erratic and sloped together rather than the formality of a PM post. His continued evaluation of his self-saving power is what I would cite to demonstrate this

 

i dont know what the success rate for a self protect is, it was never mentioned in the pm, all it said was i had the ability to protect others or if i choose myself, i'm assuming its a random chance of success or failure

 

No one ever inquired on the possible success rate. It seems like you're adding facts to make yourself sound more legit but, instead it just sounds like your making up facts like a guy in a lab coat on an infomercial when the fine print shows up "not a real doctor". I'm not nearly convinced. Your best defense comes from Electric Mango who I've already discussed. If you were the doctor with the ability to save yourself, why would you role claim? If you can save yourself, wait until night and do it. If you happened to make it to majority and got lynched worst case scenario is you'd save yourself and people would realize there existed a power role for the town which could save others. No targets for the scum identified, and we haven't lost a townie, not to mention a strong power role. Whats the point of role claiming here, I just don't see it. I want to find out if you actually have the power. If we lynch you and you don't have the power but are a townie, that would be a shame but, you're strange self vote and role claim combo don't make sense for a pro town strategy to me. I would not regret a decision to lynch you. If you are the doctor you save yourself and you can continue to help us in the future. If the scum target you every night for the rest of the game, great save yourself every night and we'll win if we're smart. If they are willing to target us other townies then we can actually use your power to its potential. I think it is in the towns best interest to test out your doctor ability, if you save yourself through the night I'll give you a happy good morning and would be happy to see a doctor other side. Otherwise, goodnight scum.

 

Vote: Angel of Doom

like i've said, i really dont have a vain view of me living, but let me ask you this before i die

 

@everyone

once it turns out that i was legit, who do you look at next?

Assuming you have the ability to protect yourself, why are you concerned?

Did AoD say he has the ability to protect himself from Day lynches? Wouldn't that be too powerful?

from night kills

Why have you only specifically told us night kills now? This is what I mean about you leaking out information like you're just creating facts as they are needed to keep you alive.

 

MOD CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A VOTE COUNT?

The "I Was Only Gone an Hour" VC

 

angel of doom - 4 (molestargazer, junkahoolik, Falzis, Aquinas)

Electric Mango - 4 (CanucksDynsasty, Sir Jesus, Kaziocore, angel of doom)

 

Not voting - 2 (Theophilos, Electric Mango)

 

Note: it takes 6 to lynch

Edited September 10, 200917 yr by Narsis

when did i ever say i could protect from a lynch? just wondering.

 

also if someone else votes for me i'll put the final vote in so we can get to night already and you can get the real scum

You are acting a lot more scummy than I ever have. It wouldn't surprise me if both you and CD were both in the same camp. You both seemed to jump on me right after I made the claim that more scum didn't vote for Kevin than did. You are both experienced players and likely would have killed Martino at night, hoping that Mole (experienced player) would be the next fall guy since he was also very vocal pushing for Kevin's death. Now both you and CD are both jumping on me (another experienced player) for trumped up accusations. I see your moves as a systematic process of taking out the most veteran players 1st.

 

AoD has fake role claimed and Kaziocore has admitted to band-wagoning but you seem to ignore that and instead attack me based on very weak reasoning and wild accusations.

 

Excuse me but where did I say that I band-wagoned?

i think he was thinking of CV cause i dont remember that either

oh and Kaziocore, since your active at the moment can you change your vote to me so we can move on to the real scum tomorrow?

Oh Doctor Protect Me

 

Gahhh ..... I hate doing this .......

 

I have special powers that let me look into your souls. I am not a cop, nor am I physically able to move well.

 

I have looked into EM's soul, and what I have seen is DANGEROUS.

We must eradicate EM before the scum bring down the hammer on AoD.

 

ELIMINATE ME NEXT IF IM WRONG

ok this is something new

 

if EM gets hung i'll protect SJ

Alright, I think we need to weigh out the validity of both our role claims now.

 

Personally I am pretty convinced. It hits the theme which lends credence to its actual inclusion from the mod. Now, I'm not ready to jump on EM until we work this out with more townies. The worst lynches come from under-communicated bandwagons.

 

I'd like to hear from Molestargazer and CannucksDynasty on the implications of the roleclaims. Although I am not as of yet 100% convinced for their towniness they are our big hitters in my experience and I'd like hear their thoughts on the situation before I condemn ElectricMango. Not to say you guys are on my suspicion list its just to early to call anyone town for sure.

 

Unvote

FOS: ElectricMango

FOS: Angel of Doom

I should also add, my unvote is to help prevent an easy kill on either of these guys so close to the chopping block with this new information. I'd like to keep the mafia from being able to jump on any power roles this close to deadline.

if EM is Mafia and i protect SJ and he looks at me during the night, will that help prove my claim to anyone?

I should also add, my unvote is to help prevent an easy kill on either of these guys so close to the chopping block with this new information. I'd like to keep the mafia from being able to jump on any power roles this close to deadline.

 

Aquinas, I'm sticking my neck WAAY out far for day 2 to be lying or something.

We need EM dead, before the deadline or scum switch their votes.

if EM is Mafia and i protect SJ and he looks at me during the night, will that help prove my claim to anyone?

 

hell yes.

but in the end you would probably get nk but at least you saved SJ.

Oh Doctor Protect Me

 

Gahhh ..... I hate doing this .......

 

I have special powers that let me look into your souls. I am not a cop, nor am I physically able to move well.

 

I have looked into EM's soul, and what I have seen is DANGEROUS.

 

The flavour is a bit different but yeah...your a cop.

That's why I trusted you