It was quiet that night in Arcanus, as usual. It was around midnight, and most everyone was in bed asleep, or getting ready to go to sleep. Suddenly, powerful explosions rocked the town. The whole town shook as though it was an earthquake. Out of some windows, you could see colourful flashes of light. Then it stopped. Puzzled, afraid, and intrigued, the townsfolk got out of bed to investigate. They found the fields of Farmer Joe scorched badly, and here and there it looked as though there had been an explosion. Talking amongst themselves and putting tow and tow together, they soon realized that these were no ordinary explosions; they were caused by magic. Everyone headed back to their homes in fear and awe wondering what would happen next...

considering the story of AoD being able to protect himself after he claimed when the issue of what will happen during the night after the lynch was done, to me it just looked as if AoD was trying to please the town with a made up story. i dunno why, but i'd rather trust mole on this one. well, i do actually know why and maybe i will share it at a later time.

No offense, but you suck at reading between the lines. Either that, or you are friends with Mr. Mango.

 

CD: You will see you made the right choice. If EM turns up anything other than scum, than I INSIST that I be lynched.

 

 

You are acting a lot more scummy than I ever have. It wouldn't surprise me if both you and CD were both in the same camp. You both seemed to jump on me right after I made the claim that more scum didn't vote for Kevin than did. You are both experienced players and likely would have killed Martino at night, hoping that Mole (experienced player) would be the next fall guy since he was also very vocal pushing for Kevin's death. Now both you and CD are both jumping on me (another experienced player) for trumped up accusations. I see your moves as a systematic process of taking out the most veteran players 1st.

 

AoD has fake role claimed and Kaziocore has admitted to band-wagoning but you seem to ignore that and instead attack me based on very weak reasoning and wild accusations.

show me 1 bit of proof that i fake claimed besides what mole has said

You are acting a lot more scummy than I ever have. It wouldn't surprise me if both you and CD were both in the same camp. You both seemed to jump on me right after I made the claim that more scum didn't vote for Kevin than did. You are both experienced players and likely would have killed Martino at night, hoping that Mole (experienced player) would be the next fall guy since he was also very vocal pushing for Kevin's death. Now both you and CD are both jumping on me (another experienced player) for trumped up accusations. I see your moves as a systematic process of taking out the most veteran players 1st.

 

AoD has fake role claimed and Kaziocore has admitted to band-wagoning but you seem to ignore that and instead attack me based on very weak reasoning and wild accusations.

 

You believe AOD has faked role claimed but you have yet to vote for him.

As I said...I believe both you and AOD are scum.

So it doesn't really matter to me which of you gets lynched first.

AoD has fakeclaimed. EM has not done anything remotely as scummy.

What are you thinking? Voting just because someone else tells you to looks ridiculous.

 

 

Perhaps AOD fakeclaimed, perhaps not. I don't know for certain. Certainly he looks scummy. I even voted for him (twice). However, SJ is soooooooooo insistent to lynch EM that I can't ignore it. I rarely see that happen in mafia game I played. For that reason, I will make the leap of faith that SJ is correct. He is even willing to bet his life on it. For surely if EM doesn't turn up scum he will be next on the chopping block. If SJ is scum...this would be a terrible play.

vote:Electric Mango

 

we cant keep spinning our wheels, and if i survive the night and someone else dies, you can lynch me

vote:Electric Mango

 

we cant keep spinning our wheels, and if i survive the night and someone else dies, you can lynch me

 

umm...i think SJ asked you to protect him.

however, sj is soooooooooo insistent to lynch em that i can't ignore it.

Don't Make Me Counter this. don't do what kevinh did - try and please others. go with your own opinions and not the ones forced on you by others.

 

aod's Claim is clearly fake. it's ambiguous, he's clutching at straws left and right to try and please the town and save his own life ever since he was at 3 votes. it's panicked scum making a powerrole claim to try and save his hide, and the ridiculous claim that he can protect himself is just a further attempt to explain why he won't die at night.

 

i really hope aod's vote on em isn't a hammer. i don't think it is though.

 

show me 1 bit of proof that i fake claimed besides what mole has said

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That's kind of saying "show me one bit of evidence against me apart from this whole page against me" (hypothetically speaking there). that is the evidence against you, you have to face that.

you are suspicious of both of us and one of us is going to be lynched today. and i cant protect anyone if i'm dead

also if i dont die at night and no one else dies doesnt that confirm my role? and yea i know that leaves it open to "oh what if you dont target anyone to make yourself look legit?" thats crap cause unless i'm not mistaken mafia have no choice but to target someone

also if i dont die at night and no one else dies doesnt that confirm my role? and yea i know that leaves it open to "oh what if you dont target anyone to make yourself look legit?" thats crap cause unless i'm not mistaken mafia have no choice but to target someone

 

Why is it crap? How do you even have an INKLING as to that?

Why do mafia have no choice but to target someone? We're back at trying to outguess the mod - which doesn't count as a defence. As far as ANY of us (apart from the scum, obviously) know, mafia can choose to kill no-one at all.

Why is it crap? How do you even have an INKLING as to that?

Why do mafia have no choice but to target someone? We're back at trying to outguess the mod - which doesn't count as a defence. As far as ANY of us (apart from the scum, obviously) know, mafia can choose to kill no-one at all.

 

then i'll replay an old argument, how many games have you played where the mafia had a choice to not kill?

Uh... all of them, as far as I know.

Which is quite a lot, if you combine the ones on that link with the ones I've played on IRON.

 

None of the games made a point of it, at least, and none of the ones where I was scum said we had to kill.

Don't Make Me Counter this. don't do what kevinh did - try and please others. go with your own opinions and not the ones forced on you by others.

 

aod's Claim is clearly fake. it's ambiguous, he's clutching at straws left and right to try and please the town and save his own life ever since he was at 3 votes. it's panicked scum making a powerrole claim to try and save his hide, and the ridiculous claim that he can protect himself is just a further attempt to explain why he won't die at night.

 

i really hope aod's vote on em isn't a hammer. i don't think it is though.

 

 

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That's kind of saying "show me one bit of evidence against me apart from this whole page against me" (hypothetically speaking there). that is the evidence against you, you have to face that.

 

 

Unofficial vote count

 

angel of doom - 3 (mole, falzis, junk)

Electric Mango - 4 (SJ, Kaziocore, CD, AOD)

 

Not voting 3 - EM, Theo, Aquinas

 

*******

 

AOD's vote is not the hammer vote.

 

I'm not going out of my way to please others. I'm following my gut. At the start of D2, I have suspected them both. And still believe both of them to be scum. Don't you find it odd that with all the evidence stacked against AOD that EM (a veteran) who even said AOD looks very suspicious still has not voted for AOD?

 

The way I see it is this...

If EM turns up scum...SJ is townie.

If EM turns up townie...SJ is scum and most likely AOD is scum too.

 

Presuming that there are 3 scum that would leave 7 townies.

D2 - EM lynch = townie

N2 - townie lynch

D3 - SJ lynch = scum

N3 - townie lynch

D4 - AOD lynch = scum

N4 - townie lynch

 

On D5 there would be 1 scum and 3 townies left.

 

 

However...I do think SJ is townie and that both EM and AOD are scum. It really doesn't matter to me who gets lynched first.

then i'll replay an old argument, how many games have you played where the mafia had a choice to not kill?

 

 

umm...they can choose not to kill in order throw people off.

I only saw in one game that this happened (possibly a missed action cuz the guy was away or something).

you are suspicious of both of us and one of us is going to be lynched today. and i cant protect anyone if i'm dead

 

you still won't be able to protect anyone cuz you will be protecting yourself anyways.

umm...they can choose not to kill in order throw people off.

I only saw in one game that this happened (possibly a missed action cuz the guy was away or something).

 

see something else i didnt know. in games where i was scum, (which was only 1 i believe) i was not aware that was an option. i always figured that the next day didnt start til the mafia made their move

you still won't be able to protect anyone cuz you will be protecting yourself anyways.

 

did i even say i was going to? i have no vain hope of living to see the final day. so i wont waste a action on myself if it can help someone else

see something else i didnt know. in games where i was scum, (which was only 1 i believe) i was not aware that was an option. i always figured that the next day didnt start til the mafia made their move

 

No. All nights have a deadline. If mafia don't send in an action by that deadline, day starts with no kill. Alternatively, in many cases they can PM the mod with "No Kill" or something similar to get Day underway quicker.

see something else i didnt know. in games where i was scum, (which was only 1 i believe) i was not aware that was an option. i always figured that the next day didnt start til the mafia made their move

 

Obviously it's in the best interest of mafia to do night kill.

 

I don't know weather to believe you or not.

In the rules...it tells you there is a timeframe to submit night actions.

I think you would have played enough games to know that.

also if i dont die at night and no one else dies doesnt that confirm my role? and yea i know that leaves it open to "oh what if you dont target anyone to make yourself look legit?" thats crap cause unless i'm not mistaken mafia have no choice but to target someone

 

If you don't die and no else dies then that doesn't necessarily make you a confirmed town (as per posts above). But it would raise the % of you being a townie a bit better...say 70%. If you don't die and someone else dies then it pretty much 50%...probably less like 40% cuz of the holes in your arguements/posts.

@ Theo and Aquinas - we could really use your inputs. Please share with us your thoughts so far.

CD switches votes left and right.

 

AoD does an OMGUS, basically voting for EM to save his own skin. I'm predicting EM to do the same but is not voting for AoD yet, and I'm wondering why as well like CD.

 

People are second-guessing the mod.

 

SJ is super insistent on EM. mole is as insistent on AoD.

 

At the end of the day, the case against AoD is stronger given his own internal combustion all over this thread. SJ's belief is just that, a belief. We can't objectively assess his case for EM aside from believing him.

Can we get prods on Kazio, Theo and Aquinas? Thanks only a few days before deadline.

 

I prodded Theo. the others are fine for now considering they've posted recently.

Edited September 10, 200917 yr by Narsis

No need, I'm here. Let me formulate something and I'll post something productive shortly.