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[CanucksDynasty]

@AOD - your 2nd point is wrong as you assumed we have a weak doc (like last game). However, as others pointed out...we could have a normal doc. Are you still going to leave your vote on KevinH?

[CanucksDynasty]

@KevinH - out of the 6 people that have voted for you...whom do you suspect the most? Please list in order of scummiest (ie. #1 = scum...#6 = scummy but probably townie...etc) and reasons why you think that.

[Martino]

Well, I'm assuming that the townie role pms are all different, because KevinH certainly disregarded the last line before my win condition.

[KevinH]

The "I Love Modding" Votecount

KevinH - 6 (Electric Mango, molestargazer, Martino, Theophilos, angel of doom, Carl Vincent)
CanucksDynasty - 1 (junkahoolik)
Carl Vincent - 1 (Falzis)
junkahoolik - 1 (Kaziocore)

No Lynch - 1 (KevinH)

Not Voting - (CanucksDynasty, Sir Jesus)

@KevinH - out of the 6 people that have voted for you...whom do you suspect the most? Please list in order of scummiest (ie. #1 = scum...#6 = scummy but probably townie...etc) and reasons why you think that.

#1 molestargazer - placed 2nd vote and pushed for role information
#2 Martino - 3rd vote with weak justification
#3 Electric Mango - 1st vote could have been random but didn't unvote
#4 Carl Vincent - Lynch minus 1 vote
#5 angel of doom - Lynch minus 2 vote
#6 Theophilos - 4th vote with misguided justification

[KevinH]

you'll die anyway so you might as well roleclaim and allow us to discuss.

What's to discuss?

The scum want to lynch me regardless.

If a townie believes me, they should unvote now.

If a townie doesn't believe me, will they be inclined to unvote if I make a role-claim?

My role will be revealed upon my lynch. Discussion about it can occur a the beginning of the next day. (I predict it will be along the lines of "Gee, Kevin was telling the truth" "Oh well, I was just scum-hunting" )

If I get enough late unvotes, the scum will have to decide whether to risk targeting me for a night kill. I don't want to help them with that decision.

[Martino]

What's to discuss?

The scum want to lynch me regardless.

If a townie believes me, they should unvote now.

If a townie doesn't believe me, will they be inclined to unvote if I make a role-claim?

My role will be revealed upon my lynch. Discussion about it can occur a the beginning of the next day. (I predict it will be along the lines of "Gee, Kevin was telling the truth" "Oh well, I was just scum-hunting" )

If I get enough late unvotes, the scum will have to decide whether to risk targeting me for a night kill. I don't want to help them with that decision.

If you would have had a pro town role, you would have roleclaimed by now. I also believe that if you are the townie you implied to be, you would have been able to answer my question. So I am actually more certain that you are scum then I was when I voted.

[CanucksDynasty]

What's to discuss?

The scum want to lynch me regardless.

If a townie believes me, they should unvote now.

If a townie doesn't believe me, will they be inclined to unvote if I make a role-claim?

My role will be revealed upon my lynch. Discussion about it can occur a the beginning of the next day. (I predict it will be along the lines of "Gee, Kevin was telling the truth" "Oh well, I was just scum-hunting" )

If I get enough late unvotes, the scum will have to decide whether to risk targeting me for a night kill. I don't want to help them with that decision.

That's the part I don't get. Since you've hinted at a power role...you will always be consideration for a night kill. So why not make it easier for the town who are confused at what alignment you are?

Unless you really are scum and hope that enough confused townies unvote.

Well...it's your call to roleclaim or not.

[KevinH]

#2 Martino - 3rd vote with weak justification

So I am actually more certain that you are scum then I was when I voted.

Interesting reply. FOS: Martino

[KevinH]

Well...it's your call to roleclaim or not.

If I said I was a doc, the scum would feel certain that a night kill would be successful.

If I said I was a cop, the scum would have to consider whether the doc would protect me or not.

Meanwhile, any true townie would want either a cop or a doc to survive; I see no point in role-claiming.

[CanucksDynasty]

If I said I was a doc, the scum would feel certain that a night kill would be successful.

If I said I was a cop, the scum would have to consider whether the doc would protect me or not.

Meanwhile, any true townie would want either a cop or a doc to survive; I see no point in role-claiming.

OK...I get your point.

IF you're townie...I hope you get a chance to live.
IF you're scum...well...it's best to lynch ya.

But it doesn't look like you will get to escape being lynched.

What are your thoughts about the rest who haven't voted for you?
(ie. place in order of scummiest and why...like the list you made for me before).

[Martino]

While I, obviously, play mafia to enjoy myself, I also play to win. Changing your opinion/actions competely each time someone disagrees with you is not getting us anywhere.

Am I convinced that you are scum? No, but your line of play simply did not feel right. I was actually debating putting a second vote on theophilos to see what you would do. But then you already unvoted after a little pressure from CD.

I posted this shortly after voting for you. So it is not like I pretended to be certain that you were scum until you said my reason was weak. Also, I disagree that my initial reason was weak. You were acting weird and it was not in the advantage of the town. Finally, if you were a doc, you would die anyway, so you should have made the mafia waste the NK instead of making us waste our lynch. If you are a cop, you should have relied on the doc to save you tonight.

[KevinH]

What are your thoughts about the rest who haven't voted for you?
(ie. place in order of scummiest and why...like the list you made for me before).

Possibly scum but probably townie:

• Junkahoolik
• Kaziocore
• CanucksDynasty

Most likely townie:

• Sir Jesus
• Falzis

[KevinH]

Finally, if you were a doc, you would die anyway, so you should have made the mafia waste the NK instead of making us waste our lynch. If you are a cop, you should have relied on the doc to save you tonight.

Don't waste your lynch. I'm a townie. My role doesn't matter.

[CanucksDynasty]

Don't waste your lynch. I'm a townie. My role doesn't matter.

Well...if you don't want the town to waste our lynch...then come up with a vote on who you suspect the most.
You still have a No Lynch Vote and time's running out.

[KevinH]

Well...if you don't want the town to waste our lynch...then come up with a vote on who you suspect the most.
You still have a No Lynch Vote and time's running out.

Unvote: No Lynch
Vote: Molestargazer

His whole line of demanding information strikes me wrong. I think he wants to know whether to attempt a night kill on me or not.

[angel of doom]

we still dont know if our doc is a normal doc or not. also i didnt know the doc in the last game was a weak doc. and kevinH you are making yourself look worse by the minute, first you say you hinted at a power role then you come out and say:

Don't waste your lynch. I'm a townie. My role doesn't matter.

that is contradictory to what you've claimed earlier

[junkahoolik]

why do i get the distinct impression that you're either trying to get lynched (like a fool) or you are scum kevin??

unvote

[Sir Jesus]

Vote: Carl Vincent

Blatant bandwagoning.


For some reason I get a good townie feeling from KevinH. I can't really point it out, just my intuition. I feel like lynching him may be a bad move. However, someone needs to get lynched.

Garrr.

[KevinH]

we still dont know if our doc is a normal doc or not. also i didnt know the doc in the last game was a weak doc. and kevinH you are making yourself look worse by the minute, first you say you hinted at a power role then you come out and say:

Don't waste your lynch. I'm a townie. My role doesn't matter.

that is contradictory to what you've claimed earlier

Forgive me. I should say that I am townie-aligned.

[Falzis]

If I said I was a doc, the scum would feel certain that a night kill would be successful.

If I said I was a cop, the scum would have to consider whether the doc would protect me or not.

Meanwhile, any true townie would want either a cop or a doc to survive; I see no point in role-claiming.

If you said you're the doc and people unvote, scum would NK you. But then, we could lynch somebody else instead.

If you're the doc and you didn't say you're the doc, you die from lynch and scum would NK somebody else.

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If you said you're the cop and people unvote, scum could NK you but would fail since the doc would surely protect you. We could lynch somebody else instead.

If you're the cop and people do not unvote, you die from lynch and scum would NK somebody else.

If you're the cop and you didn't say you're the cop, you die from lynch and scum would NK somebody else.

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Costs (of not explicitly role claiming): We could have lynched somebody else - a scum (or of course, a townie). But instead, power goes to scum since they could NK someone else they are sure is not scum.

Benefits (of explicitly role claiming): Same as if you didn't explicitly do so. Since if you're a cop, scum would have to consider whether the doc would protect you or not.

But with added benefits, the doc would be more certain to protect you with the knowledge of your cop role. Plus, we could lynch somebody else instead today.