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[Electric Mango]

Other candidates for today's lynch - well, the main one is EM. I'm not really feeling the EM case right now. This, admittedly, could be due to my pushing for AoD's lynch, but reading Sir Jesus' original vote-post on EM, I really can't see much worth pointing out. His lesser contribution than in other games was prewarned by EM himself, and so is a nulltell in terms of his alignment. Sir Jesus really didn't give EM much of a chance to respond before jumping to a vote. @EM - Why did you ask the question about Carl Vincent that Sir Jesus pointed out here?

I believe you are asking me about this post.

Falzis and Sir Jesus - Do you still think that Carl Vincent is still the most suspicious? What, if anything, has changed your mind.

Junkahoolik, same question.

I asked this question because it is my belief that there were more scum that did not vote for KevinH than there were who did. I believe this because KevinH had enough evidence against him that it was not necessary for scum to vote for his death. Scum would have liked to sit this one out and keep the attention on other well meaning townies.

My question was aimed at those people who voted for others Day1 to see what they had to say in hindsight about their votes. I think that scum would want to vote but lay it on someone who didn't have a good chance to be actually lynched. It's like saying, "I'm participating but I know that my votes won't kill any townies and thus bring less suspicion on me."

I've played enough games to understand that in order for scum to win the game they have to appear most townie like. Not voting to lynch townies is a good way to avoid detection. Once the scum saw how much trouble Kevin was getting into, it would seem obvious that they would not want to be associated with his death. This is also why I tend to believe Mole is pro-town because he and Martino were very vocal and not afraid to stick their necks out in regards to Kevin.

[molestargazer]

That was indeed the question I was asking about - and that certainly clears that issue up a bit. Thanks.

[CanucksDynasty]

Not sure why people think AOD role claim was premature.

1. Long weekend and it tends to be inactive.
2. We didn't get an extension prior to AOD hinting to a role claim so deadline was still Sep 8th.
3. AOD roleclaimed on Sep 5/6th.
4. Falzis is wrong about the lynch. SINCE there is only 10 of us left, it only takes 5/6 for a majority lynch. Probably 3 for a half-majority lynch on deadline day.
5.. Guess what...AOD had 3 votes when he role-claimed.


@Mole - in my previous post I had suspected EM cuz he didn't want to unvote KevinH mainly cuz he didn't want to appear scummy. At first, I didn't have a problem with voting for either one but AOD has rolelclaimed now so I will give him the benefit of the doubt as I did with KevinH.

[Falzis]

TBH i still have my doubts about EM being scum, however i have a overwhelming feeling about falzis and Kaziocore

an OMGUS?? lol

you said that you can protect yourself. that will make me rethink my vote but that could just be you bluffing (it's still not sure even that you are the doc, much less a doc that can protect one's self).

[Falzis]

Living citizens of Arcanus:

1. Falzis
2. Theophilos
3. molestargazer
4. Electric Mango
6. junkahoolik
8. CanucksDynasty
9. angel of doom
10. Sir Jesus
11. Carl Vincent
12. Kaziocore

Dead citizens of Arcanus:

5. KevinH, Wizard(Protown Vig), lynched Day 1.
7. Martino, Townie, burned to death Night 1.

Seems like CD is right. I thought there were 12 people still alive but now I noticed that 5 and 7 were taken out so we are only 10 actually. But that would still mean 6 is the majority of 10 (unless Narsis points otherwise, majority is always half+1) and that 4 is half-majority of 10 (6 divided by 2 + 1).

[CanucksDynasty]

Seems like CD is right. I thought there were 12 people still alive but now I noticed that 5 and 7 were taken out so we are only 10 actually. But that would still mean 6 is the majority of 10 (unless Narsis points otherwise, majority is always half+1) and that 4 is half-majority of 10 (6 divided by 2 + 1).

Nope...it past games I've played...half of 6 is 3 not 4.
Not sure how Narsis would have mod it but that's what I've seen in past games.

[CanucksDynasty]

Unvote

I also don't believe AoD's role claim. He didn't have a half-majority vote before deadline lynch. He had 3 votes. That's not a half majority (it's 4 out of 7, 7 out of 12 is the majority lynch). Plus, if he is the doc, it's incredulous to role claim since he will surely be NKed since who would protect him. Unless he can protect himself, which I doubt, right?

Vote: Angel of Doom

So...I corrected your mistake/mis-led attempt (whatever).

However, I don't know why you think it is incredulous for AOD to role-claim. If he is the doc, even-though he will be nk, it would still be better to set the lynch on scum. Lynching is the town's asset. Think of it a bit more. If AOD gets lynched, turns up doc, day ends, mafia lynch townie. See we lost 2 townies now. If we get lucky and lynch scum instead, AOD gets nk...we are still better off cuz we lynched scum.
And yeah...a doc can't protect themselves.

If AOD is scum...then it was a moot point anyways.

[molestargazer]

@Mole - in my previous post I had suspected EM cuz he didn't want to unvote KevinH mainly cuz he didn't want to appear scummy. At first, I didn't have a problem with voting for either one but AOD has rolelclaimed now so I will give him the benefit of the doubt as I did with KevinH.

Hypothetical situation.
Say we got EM to half-majority lynch, it was deadline in a few days, and he RCed as a powerrole as well, would you give him the benefit of the doubt of the doubt? That's why I'm voting AoD.

[Falzis]

So...I corrected your mistake/mis-led attempt (whatever).

However, I don't know why you think it is incredulous for AOD to role-claim. If he is the doc, even-though he will be nk, it would still be better to set the lynch on scum. Lynching is the town's asset. Think of it a bit more. If AOD gets lynched, turns up doc, day ends, mafia lynch townie. See we lost 2 townies now. If we get lucky and lynch scum instead, AOD gets nk...we are still better off cuz we lynched scum.
And yeah...a doc can't protect themselves.

If AOD is scum...then it was a moot point anyways.

1. It's all WIFOM. He could be scum. He could be town. We could either lynch somebody else, we could lynch him. Then we find out the alignment. But AoD is more likely scum for me right now unless Narsis tells me how to properly compute majorities and half-majorities. It's premature, it's a bait for the real doc to counter claim. That's how I see it. I could be wrong, but you could be wrong too.

2. AoD claimed he can protect himself. What do you think of that?

[CanucksDynasty]

so what is the half majority then? cause unless i'm wrong we got kevinH with 4 votes before his lynch and i was going off narsis claim that the day was almost up before the extension. but if you wanna lynch me then go ahead. just remember the first 4 ppl will be under the most scrutiny after i'm dead and my role is relieved. also i can protect myself if i so choose btw so that argument is a moot point

@AOD - are you saying you can protect yourself from a nk?

[CanucksDynasty]

1. It's all WIFOM. He could be scum. He could be town. We could either lynch somebody else, we could lynch him. Then we find out the alignment. But AoD is more likely scum for me right now unless Narsis tells me how to properly compute majorities and half-majorities. It's premature, it's a bait for the real doc to counter claim. That's how I see it. I could be wrong, but you could be wrong too.

2. AoD claimed he can protect himself. What do you think of that?

1. Yeah...it's a coin-toss.
2. And I saw that just now...see my post above asking for him to clarify.

[CanucksDynasty]

Hypothetical situation.
Say we got EM to half-majority lynch, it was deadline in a few days, and he RCed as a powerrole as well, would you give him the benefit of the doubt of the doubt? That's why I'm voting AoD.

Depends on what I see in past and recent posts. I'm not entirely convinced on either one's townieness. I just find it surprising that SJ is so adamant on EM being scum. Lies and truths are being told right now. It's up to us to see the truth.

[angel of doom]

yea i do have the power to be protected from a nk.

also

unvote

vote: angel of doom

if i get lynched then we have a very good suspect list:

Falzis
molestargazer
Kaziocore

they have been the ones pushing for my lynch the most, plus i had my suspicions of falzis and Kaziocore since day 1

[molestargazer]

Protecting yourself from a NK?

We have a BLATANT SCUM here, guys.
Him saying he can protect himself will just be an excuse for when he doesn't turn up dead tomorrow ('cos he'll be scum).

[angel of doom]

which is y i voted for myself, just so i can say i told you so and see you lynched as the scum you are

[molestargazer]

Oh, please, don't give me the "I'll tell you so" argument, it doesn't persuade anyone, and makes you look even more scummy.
A good townie should never self-vote. You should do as I kept persuading KevinH to do, give your opinions.

[Falzis]

yea i do have the power to be protected from a nk.

also

unvote

vote: angel of doom

if i get lynched then we have a very good suspect list:

Falzis
molestargazer
Kaziocore

they have been the ones pushing for my lynch the most, plus i had my suspicions of falzis and Kaziocore since day 1

Did you vote for yourself? Plus, you're saying you had suspicions since D1. Could you kindly repeat them and the basis of those "suspicions"?

[angel of doom]

and my self protection is legit, reason is if the scum targets me at night and no one turns up dead then that means my self protection worked

[Falzis]

and my self protection is legit, reason is if the scum targets me at night and no one turns up dead then that means my self protection worked

mole already preempted that. but secondly, wouldn't a doc who can protect himself break a game? because if that was so, then in any game, the doc would role claim, give the townspeople a person they can be certain who is town, and would never be killed, wasting NK attempts of scum on one day?

point is, first it's hard to believe anyone would role claim they are the doc in any game because they'd be NK target, but secondly, a doc that can self-protect is a broken power role.

[CanucksDynasty]

@AOD - how often are you able to protect yourself from a nk? Can you paraphrase your power (don't quote so you don't get modkilled)?