Imran Ehsan

By the way, I should add. It may be a good strategy to let him live today as well. He made a pretty bold claim in that he cant repeat it if he is lying. If he is the Scum JOAT he will have only 1-shot kill ability so he wont be able to kill tomorrow. So if we see/track him visiting others and that target does not end up dead, we know he is lying. but of course if he is the scum JOAT, he probably has the Role Block ability and will probably role block me tonight. So I would rather have him lynched so he cant use his abilities at night. I am pretty sure he is scum.

Feel sorry for samoos getting killed so early in 2 consecutive games..lol But if course it may be a ploy by the scum team to try to make those of us who were scum last game to look scummy again,

I was going to go back and quote some posts, but I am not getting the time, so I will just summarise my points. 1. If Fermion is really the Vig, that means before start of play there were potentially 3 groups who can kill every night: Scum Team, SK and Vig. 2. So you may say maybe the Vig is X-shot. But if so it seems like even Fermion himself does not know how many shots he has This was before he claimed to be a Vigilante. So he is either lying about being a vigilante or he is a vigilante who is not x-shot. So even if you beleive Fermion to be a townie Vig that will mean he has no x-shot ability. 3. He claims to have killed TheDoom because he suspected him on D2 (that post was on the 22nd I think). But since then he was pretty much lurking except this pretty weird post on the 25th. No mention of TheDoom here. But , eh does not want to lynch a townie. But has no problem of shooting dead a potential townie at night? It does not add up. If he is the Vig and does not want to kill innocent townies (which is the reason he gave for not voting for Rhizo), why would he shoot someone at night without being "reasonably sure someone's scum." Sorry it just does not add up. Add with that, he has been lurking the whole game. The above post was made by him after 5 days of lurking I think and only when I pointed out that Rafay, Fermion and iSocialism are lurking. I think I am missing some other points too but I am in a hurry so I will add them when I remember them.

Why not just a goon that delivered the kill? Regardless... Vote: Fermion Because obviously the scum goon kill targetted Mandarijn.

My investigative targets are not random. I got a little lucky but there were also perfectly valid reasons for me to decide to track Fermion over some of the other suspicious characters. I wont reveal them now but after the game maybe. Same with deciding to track Rhizo over some others. There is about 15% chance that Fermion is a townie Vig and an 85% chance that he is Scum JOAT who used his 1-shot Vig ability last night. I will explain the reasons shortly.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/teentitansfanon/images/2/2c/111_128.jpg You are lying and I can feel it. Can you kill every night? My theory is scum team is: TW. Kevin and Fermion. So a kevin lynch is fine as well. But we have more concrete evidence against TheDoom. concrete evidence against Fermion I meant, not TheDoom. cant go back and edit.

I am actually pretty sure Cyborg's a Pro Town Vigilante who accidentally did a anti town kill How do I know this, you ask? The answer lies a few pages before. Who was te one suspecting the Doom? Me. I am Cyborg, and I took out Doom because I thought he was scum, totally missed the post where he role claimed and dearly regretted it later. Someone who came out and hammered in the lynch after it was sure that Rhizo was gonna be voted and looked very confident in his vote? I am actually pretty sure Cyborg's a Pro Town Vigilante who accidentally did a anti town kill How do I know this, you ask? The answer lies a few pages before. Who was te one suspecting the Doom? Me. I am Cyborg, and I took out Doom because I thought he was scum, totally missed the post where he role claimed and dearly regretted it later. Someone who came out and hammered in the lynch after it was sure that Rhizo was gonna be voted and looked very confident in his vote? Interesting. What role do you have? ps: I guess I should not have dropped the hint that I got a result last night. This made Fermion come out of lurking and own up to the kill. Note that I had asked earlier if anyone had used their action on any of the 2 dead townies. Fermion posted after me and again did not claim the kill. He claimed the kill only after I said I will reveal my results. Vote: Fermion Yes. If you are wondering, I tracked Fermion visiting TheDoom last night. He is the Scum JOAT I am pretty sure.

I did target someone and I will reveal my results and my vote along with it later on today. I want to see more posts by everyone first though.

Re: kevin - He unvoted and flip flopped because he was 100% certain that Rhizo was not scum. He knew Rhizo will turn up either Town or SK. And he will use the strategy that he is already using that anyone voting for Rhizo was scum. I now beleive there was 1 scum on the wagon and 2 scum off the wagon. One being Kevin and a second one who was lurking.

Note this: It specifically says TheDoom was the Town JOAT. This means there is a Scum JOAT as well. So that means the Vig kill maybe one of the ability of the Scum JOAT. So the Vig kill was not a pro-townie kill. It was a kill used by the scum to take out a powerful townie role. Why do you think Mandarijn was targetted. The scum him for a reason. Who did he suspect the most yesterday? Ask yourself these questions and then go over TWs posts again from yesterday.

Why would a Vigilante chose TheDoom? He pretty much claimed that he is the real JOAT yesterday.

What do you think? Do vigilantes have limits?

Fermion is lurking by the way. He is reading the thread and not posting.

I havent read all the responses yet. But quickly, my thoughts on the kevin flip flop and trying to derail the lynch was very scummy. 1. Rhiz already had 6 votes, with Mand saying he will also probably vote for him before deadline. 2. Scum knew Rhizo was not scum and could be either Townie or SK 3. Lynching him whoever he was will be a good thing for the scum 4. Scum had one person who was not voting yet and if needed he could hammer the lynch vote 5. kevin unvotes knowing him scum buddy can hammer home a lynch if needed 6. He unvotes because Rhizo turns up town he will claim that he was the only one who didnt want to lynch a townie and therefore he is confirmed town. 7. kevin unvotes and his scum buddy hammers home the lynch (TW)

ps: as before, I dont want you to reveal your role/ability/action. Revealing too much too early is not good for the town. I just want to know if anyne used their action on the 2 dead townies. (I think we can assume that every townie has a power role. So revealing that you have a night ability that you used on another townie is not too much info that can be used by the scum).

Easy to say that after trying your hardest to derail the lynch of a SK. I dont believe your game play has been anything that is in the best interest of the town so far. So 2 more kills. I want to see what everyones thoughts on this are. Anyone performed any actions on any of the two dead townies?

Unvote. At what point does the rule change to whoever has the most votes? look at these series of votes. pretty desperate to stop this lynch arent you? edit: I meant posts not votes

Walls of texts does not equal townie. You guys havent learnt anything from last game. meh..do what you will. This game is probably lost for townies.

With a full majority required MOD should make it so that everyone has to vote one way or another to reach deadline. Which means lurkers like Rafay, Fermion and iSocialism needs to take a stand before we go to night with a no lynch.

If Rhizo turns up scum then that will be a strong possibility. Rhizo may also be a SK which would mean kevin is not in cahoots with him. In any case we need a lynch to even start making sense of who is working with who. No lynch is just stupid and only scum will try to pursue that strategy when their buddy is about to get lynched.

Seems like still 2 votes needed. Not sure how long is left until day end. Ppl not voting: TW, Rafay, iSocialism, Fermion, Mandarijn At least kevin has posted his reasons of going No lynch. And I think Mand said he will vote. But for others...guys, why are you even playing mafia if you dont want to lynch anyone and some not even posting let alone take one side or the other. How do you think town will ever win if you just sit around and do nothing. If you dont want to lynch Rhizo at least vote for someone else and post your reasons why. This game requires a full majority lynch so at this rate we will never get any lynch on any day. Might as well quit playing now.

Funny you say that with the Cop dead already. and you apparently thinking a Tracker result not that important.

You have played enough games to know that No Lynching on Day 2 is worst strategy ever. Keep on no lynching while scum keeps on killing at night. Also seems like there is a SK in the game as well. So we have a chance to lose 2 more townies at night while gaining 0 info from Day 2 with a No Lynch. Lynching Rhizo gives us something to go on. If he turns up scum..good. If not, we can still use his theory that the bandwagoners on his lynch wagon maybe scum. No lynching gives us no info whatsoever. Better option? I provided the info of a player visiting a dead townie at night while all his claims are such that no one can confirm them. How do you get a better option than that? FOS: Kevin

In mafia you distrust everyone!! specially Samus..he is scum.

So you want another No lynch today? Or just wanted to derail the lynch? MOD: Please post vote counts regularly