Imran Ehsan

Wow...dont think I ever played a game where there are no scum but only SKs. So we win only when we have taken out the 2 SKs. 4 townies vs 2 SKs but I am assuming the SKs are not part of a team and working independently, which will make them less effective than a scum team. Plus both SKs are paired with townie neighbors so it will be the job of the neighbors to get a feel of their neighbor to see if they get any clues to whether they are one of the SK. typical scum post But yeah not sure if we want to reveal just yet who each others neighbors are. Might make it easier for the SKs to find out who the townie-pairs are and take them out. I am always in favour of a lynch on D1. It gets the lynch-wagon train start off early without which you get no info going into D2. But there is also the added benefit of neighbor night talk in this game, so we may actually get some info from N1 even without lynching on D1.

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Come, join the new game. I wont night-kill or lead the lynch against you, I promise.. *fingers crossed*

Yes I am surprised no one commuted as well. Also NE shooting iSoc and staying mum about it, really contributed to VGM getting lynched. But LS's post was a typical scum post, taking neither side and agreeing with everyone, staying off the wagon. Glad I went with my gut feeling on that one and shot him, I actually assumed he commuted N1 and his scum partner took the shot on iSoc, so he will be open for an easy kill. With VGM turning up town, I had suspicions about everyone regarding who the 2nd scum would be, COD was too obvious, but NE was staying too low and Zacch may have been leading us all with brilliant scum play. But I was posituve LS was one of the scum.

Yes!

Lol...Nice. Good job all. LS, your huge wall of post text was a dead give away that you are scum. and NE killed iSoc. What?!

So you think VGM is scum so you are voting? Or are you voting just to be on the wagon? I have seen no post from you that says you are suspicios of VGM. So why are you voting for her? You have agreed to some of mine and Zacchs posts but also agreed with some of VGMs. I am unclear what your actual stance is. Do you think VGM is the scum or no? Anyway, with LS also finally posting we now have no townies coming forward to take credit for the shot at iSoc, so I think we can be sure that scum shot iSoc.

whats going on here??!

I would rather not lynch LS. If possible, replace him. Lynching him gives us no info and with no investigative roles for townies in this game, we get info only from lynching. I am not getting scum vibes from either Zacch or NE. We need more info going into N2, and my feeling is we will hit scum in one of VGM and/or COD. Vote: VGM Your posts have felt off to me. You have also been trying to bring up possible lynch suspects based on inactivity or inexperience, instead of actually scum hunting. It feels like you want a mislynch, regardless of whether scum gets found or not.

The point you made that townies may want to shoot good players early is ludicruos. Only scum will want to shoot off good players and keep the inactives and inexperienced around. You yourself claimed thats its simple math that a townie shot iSoc and not a scum. I cant see how you are so sure, as well as VGM. It seems to me that it is more likely that scum shot iSoc and your feeble logics to point the other way is what is actually confusing.

Not necessarily the only valid strategies for scum in this game. They may have decided to get off both their shots on N1. If they were successful there would 3 townies vs 2 scum. If they got one lislynch on D1, that means scum would win because both will commute on N2 and vigs wont be able to kill them. Its possible scum tried to frame you based on your D1 post. But obviously you do not think that likely, because you think townies killed him. And that you are adamant that a townie killed him makes me wonder what the strategy is here.

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself. I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? Not always applicable for everyone and specially not on D1. Most D1 posts are fluff with people making random votes or No lynch votes. They dont have to give any reasons because they have no info. You being an experienced player should know that very well.

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie? Math I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town. Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out. Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason. What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie? MathHow so? vgm literally said "Just a guess". The guess is based in part on the math of there being more townies than scum (or that's my guess about her guess (Guessception!)). Do you guys want me to have undeniable evidence for why vgm has made this guess when we have no evidence to run off of and no voting record? When you say "Math!" that implies there is very good logic and probability of iSoc being shot by townies. Fact is most townies would not not shoot on N1 with almost 0 clues they had on D1. iSoc was also least likely to be shot based on his posts on D1 by townies. LS was more likely to be shot by a townie, due to him not posting. Only VGM raised issue about iSoc being suspicious. I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself. wait what? I missed this part. You think townies may shoot other strong players on N1 because they may become strong scum, over possibly having a strong player with the townies hunting scum? I cant get my head around this logic.

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie? MathHow so?

Pretty sure scum can communicate with each other. They will be coordinating their actions. Vote No lynch

I would rather have the scum shoot their shots on n1, but if scum is smart they will wait until townies have used up their commute abilities on n1 before shooting.

I dont know, you dont seem like the wedding-going type. *takes notes* So chances of me being scum three games in a row are phenomonally low. Only on the first day. This is an interesting setup, don't think I've played anything like it before. Definitely an odd setup. Barring some very strange sequence of events that leads to a suspect, I'll be voting no lynch for day 1, but no sense trying to end the day too early. I have been wondering what the best strategy should be for towns here. Scum cant so factional kills at night so they have only 2 vig kills at their disposal. So they will depend on mislynches and townies misfiring their vig kills to win. I am gonna say scum will at most use one vig kill on N1, or they may actually do nothing and sit back and see the townies shoot each other off before picking off the survivors in N2. So we need to have more townies going into N1, which means no lynch is the best option.

Did you guys get your role PM? I didnt.

Because if you were scum it was very possible COD was the sane cop who investigated you and VGM was the insane cop who investigated me and you would want to kill the sane cop who probably would have voted for your lynch on D1

You should have pushed harder for my lynch. You had 2 guilty results on you so you knew the sane cop had not investigated you. There was a 3rd guilty result which meant the sane cop had investigated me. So unless you thought one of COD/NE was Mafia, I was scum. If you stuck with your accusations on me instead of flippping to NE on D1, things would have been close on D2.

And sure enough, I nailed it with my guess. Here I was thinking I was insane day 1 (or paranoid) and figured what were the odds the sane cop had the right result from the get go. Be curious how differently it would have played out differently it say Chap was killed instead of myself. Hard to say. Also, Zacch investigating me and being told 'he was town', I'm actually a girl Kevin. I figured out almost everyones role was on D1 when a townie (Zacch) got two guilty results on him. That meant you were the only one who got the right results so you were Sane cop. That left Zacch to be the Naive cop. Zacch with his flip-flopping on D1 was the best bet for lynch on final day, so I killed you, knowing COD will most probably investigate me. If he was insane he would get Town result on me (and he can be made to look as the actual sane cop) and if he was Paranoid2, he would get another Mafia result on me and to be confirmed as paranoid with NE being the sane cop). I made sure to claim Naive with a fake Town result on Zacch, before Zacch had a chance to post, knowing that will make him look like copying me. On D1 I also took the gamble of fake claiming early as soon as 2 guilty results were revealed. I knew the Naive cop had not yet revealed his results, so a fake Town result claim was safe even before the other 2 had posted. You were the obvious choice to be killed on N1 if I was the scum, and I am happy no-one picked up on that (I was apprehensive COD may get into it). If Zacch was actually scum, he probably would have killed COD.

Yes please

Sorry guys. I hate playing scum but you play the hand you are dealt.

I guess you are not gonna try to explain the hammer on NE? Vote Zacch