Lyner

I've played games where the scums are all the least active players. They won the games by having active townies kill each other. So yeah killing inactives are better than nothing.

Well there goes my wagon I can agree with Kevin Vote: Chaplain of Death

who is SMLK? if it refers to me,it's SLMK or you all can call me just MK so assuming it is me, TW had specifically said to forget the previous game. Sorry for the typo So if I'm understanding this correctly, you voted someone just because you were a cop and want a better probability for the night investigation?

I dunno what to do tbh, you guys ended D1 too quickly Also, IIRC during the previous game SMLK didn't support a D1 no lynch? What happened? Vote: SMLK

Motion Detector? Perhaps we might have lots of power roles this time around

Anyone has the previous D1 vote record?

Vote: No Lynch Lynching is bad, mmkay? JK Unvote On a positive note, Kitkat is back in play

i'm back for da game

well played bros

Bah!

D1 lynch is pretty much a popularity vote, there won't ever be any solid evidence unless the scums have some loose screws Anyways, I'm giving scum points for those who didn't try to vote seriously.

Since deadline is coming pretty soon I guess it comes down to: 1. No Lynch. 2. Rafay reaches half majority. Those who haven't voted yet, feel free to make a decision.

There is a merit to a no lynch day one with this setup; we're guaranteed at least one active ability townie, which means we can start day two with one townie having more information

Can't do much without anything going on I guess. Vote up, people!

It's a welcome vote is all I haven't seen anything overly suspicious from captainjf as a new timer If anything, Rafay have defended him twice already: 1. First 2. Second Either he's looking out for him as a good senior or we already have one possible scum pairs here. We shall see

No need to pay much attention to the setup until dead bodies start rolling imo Here we go again Vote: Rafay

hello people its ok I won this setup before as scum Also welcome, new players! Vote: captainjf

it has been awhile, let's do this

lul poor AbT got paired with lurkers combo He might have winning chance if he's the godfather Anyway, GG Regarding the problem of TW getting killed on night 1, perhaps we can just play more games with protective abilities? Scums can't blindly kill threatening players easily that way.

broken

If Rafay flips scums and I got killed tonight, please kill AbT. If Rafay flips town I probably won't get killed, so let's continue this. My townliness tier in case I'm dead (towniest to scummiest): 1. Robert and FB 2. CoD and SBG Middle point: 1. Kazio Dangerous zone: 1. AbT and iSoc

The quote pyramid is getting too big, let's make it more clearer: If it's irrelevant then why did you try to use it as an argument? It sounded nice at first, but when it turned out to be untrue it's irrelevant suddenly. The context is different. Day one and day two are totally different. You poked me to make me active. I poked you because I'm suspecting you. I did vote not because you called that, but because I've noticed I'm in fact the last one that didn't vote, except of Rafay at that time (due to KevinH's post which happened to be the last one at the time I came by). Should I really care about your callout, I think I'd try to dodge, argue for a few posts and then place a vote but not simply "obey it". You noticed that you are the last one that didn't vote, and because of that you decided to vote? I think that also warrants a suspicion. Your second statement is almost WIFOM, you might as well be smart scum or a confident town. So now you claim we should all stay on that wagon and leaving it when it was hovering on L-1 was a scumtell? Did me leaving somehow put him of the chopping block? Or maybe he was still there because there were just 3 votes required for the lynch at the deadline and the only difference was that noone was able to prematurely finish the day. What's more you didn't feel that way here. You appeared to be concerned back then and even unvoted too which in your own book is a scumtell. Let me ask you your own question then. Why did you jump of so quickly? There was no risk to suddenly end day anymore...there was actually no way to end that day prematurely anymore and maybe that's the reason. Sure, I know what you'll say, you went "pressuring lurkers". So you voted your teammate and disappeared for the rest of the day. And no surprise, he didn't care at all about your "pressuring" (And what kind of pressure is that when you can't even be bothered to ask questions? You just vote and leave). Then you came back at the very end of the day and followed the majority, stating it's your preferred choice. My post you've decided to quote then were a common sense then and Now to see your double tongue in full light: - When you're jumping of the wagon when it's L-2 it's perfectly fine. When I'm jumping of the wagon when it's L-1 that's a scumtell.- You're pressuring Kazio, I'm just "trying to divert attention to Kazio". You're putting words into my statements here. See the differences between your "unvote" and mine. Yours: - Because Rafay is almost lynched (L-1) - Because you're afraid that lynching lurkers might be detrimental to town. Mine: - Because Rafay showed more activity this game. - Because I wanted to pressure the other lurker (Kazio), with vote. In contrast, all you did this time around was just stating the facts and implications, without any real solutions or scum hunting (I welcome all townies to search and check his posts). I think that was my general impression that lead me to all this details. You didn't feel like trying to find the scums this game. Before I get too deep on the last part of your argument. Let me get this straight, are you seriously accusing that I and Kazio are part of the mafia? I'm again accused of not jumping on Rafay at every opportunity. Same thing happened in HP3 (in which SK won), where I wanted to lynch him, yet there were more reasonable options in my opinion (like lynching Lego or going for nolynch) Back then CoD (scum in that game) was using the same arguments to put me in bad light. You also mention we both played as a scum. Yeah and back in HP2 I wasn't sitting calm, but pushing and fighting with half of the town. Quite different then how you descirbe my game now, so what exactly are you using that argument "I was with him as a scum" for? It feels like you're trying to trick others to boost your credibility, "because you have knowledge". The townies will be the judge of that. This is indeed my first game when I'm not jumping on everyone with votes, like I did every other game, scum one included. And this is the first one we're sitting at the LYLO doorsteps and I'm quite surprised to see some people jumping haphazardly and tossing their votes without a though about consequences. I'd rather ask questions and be sure about whom I vote on. And no, I don't find yours tactic of "at least popping out" superior. What's more, while you're aware that we're much closer to losing the game than usually, you've no problem with lynching people you "think" are town, because putting us in LYLO is apparently "minimal risk" to you: The problem with "asking questions and be sure about whom I vote on" without actually voting on the person is, well, it's not very effective. Rafay and iSoc are the prime examples. See what happened when I try to poke you with a vote? I could actually change my opinion after this discussion, so the better strategy would be "vote and ask for questions so we can be sure about whom we vote on". Another misinterpretation again on the last statement. It's not the lynch/no lynch, it's about Rafay. At the time he is: - A self claimed VT - A Lurker - Is infamous for small contributions I stand by my statement, he is the minimal risk choice if we decided to lynch someone on day one. The only basis for my feel that Rafay is town is purely because of his increased activity. Well that didn't last long. Anyway it's almost deadline. Better make your choice, townies. Wouldn't want a sudden wagon popping on the last day. I'm fine with lynching AbT/Rafay/iSoc/Kazio.

You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around. You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain. Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote. I was focusing on day two, but let's see what we could dig on day one. Your points: 1. "You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around." Irrelevant, whether you called me or not I would still post, albeit a little slow, as it is day one and I expect a lot of fluff posts. 2. "You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain." Now this is missing my main point. It doesn't really matter if you voted for me or Isoc or Kazio. What mattered is that you only started to vote after I called you out (Kazio also pointed this out and you ignored it). The second lesser point is that you only put me on the suspect list also after I called you out. 3. "Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote." Eh it might be an exaggeration to say that we're limited to only pressure lurkers, but you get the idea. We're talking about day one here. Opinions almost mean nothing since everyone knows nothing, and vote patterns reveal more information. About the popping up once in a while, see point one. At least I did vote. On this note, I saw something interesting after re-reading your posts: -You voted for Rafay yet quickly unvote once the wagon built up to L-1. Something doesn't sound right here. I'm pretty sure some of us here (you and me included) are fine with killing Rafay on day one, partly because of his gameplay and partly hoping for him to change his playstyle. You, in particular, have actually encouraged it in past games. But in this game you aren't really tring. Starting from your bold first vote, telling Rafay to contribute to die, to passively defending him here and here, trying to divert attentions to other lurkers (Kazio, and supposedly, me on Day 1). -You said that in this game we might not have safe nets and could probably only mislynch once, yet all you did during the day one and before I called you out is sitting around having casual conversations, without actually scumhunting and pressuring people with your vote. Contradictory much? Probably, both Rafay and AbT are on the same scum team? Anyway @FB, as SGB said (we both have played as scums with AbT), I wouldn't put it past AbT to deliberately direct the town to first day no lynch, to gain townie points. More to come about other events, too tired and RL business

vanilla

Really? Post counts don't mean anything. Except from the one instance I didn't find time to post on D1, I try to post at least one post everyday (or two days max) I have stated that I find CoD and FB leaning town and I want Rafay dead today to get some info. Maybe we'll see why people tried to delay his death on D1. It's funny how you only voted for me after Lyner pressured you to vote. I don't see any significant infos obtained from lynching Rafay. Give us some examples. Still better How about you actually respond to my questions, or at least try to win, you know, if you're town? Oh I see. Trying to actively progress the game and using the information available to me is problematic to you, but lurking and not participating in any way is perfectly okay. Literally the only 2 ways that can be true is if you are scum, or if you have no idea how to play. You have stated multiple times that you believe you are better and more experienced than the majority of players here so I have to assume that it is not the latter. Given that fact, I'd be far more agreeable to a Robert lynch since my vote on Rafay is in lieu of a more suspicious candidate. Unvote Vote: Robert2424 Any other opinions regarding the town? It seems you got too focused on Robert since he stated his opinions of each player. I'd like to hear your version of who's the scummiest and whatnot. During day one we are limited to vote for lurkers, unless someone badly screws up. Don't you agree? During the start of day two, at the time I voted for him, iSoc wasn't a "lurker" at all. Especially because he refused to respond that I began to nudge him more strongly. So both your points are misguided. Also funny how you put me on the suspect list just right after I prodded you, yet you voted for Kazio instead. AbT is scum this time, guys. Vote: Ali bin Turban Going by feelings alone, I'd put Robert and FB as most likely town, while AbT and iSoc, and Kaz as most likely scum. Kaz got into the list because he still haven't actively scumhunt and instead decided to end the day by voting for Rafay. Isoc because, well, see his last post. AbT because the reasons outlined above. This is over simplification so feel free to challenge me on my accusations, so I can elaborate more. Remember that we probably have 3 scums working together to disrupt town movement. Anyway, I think we can have a better picture by thinking in pairs. For example, I think it is highly likely that Robert and CoD can't be on the same scum team, seeing that CoD aggresively accused Robert. If one is scum, the other should be a town, vice versa. There is of course a chance that both players are town. The other pairs would be FB and Rafay, CoD and Rafay, and to some degree, me and AbT.